Erdogan the Dictator.

[Dennisch]

I can see the Kurds stepping up their game when their leaders are going to jail. Expect more bombing and attacks. It's a matter of time before anyone of the parties (Kurds, Extreme left and IS) will start the attacks on the tourist areas outside of the bigger cities.

I really can not understand why the army isn't stepping in. They used to be the guardian of the Turkish secular state.
Now Erdogan is digging a hole so deep that it will lead to massive bloodshed.

 

[Luminis]

I can see the Kurds stepping up their game when their leaders are going to jail. Expect more bombing and attacks.

That does sound likely. Sad but true.

A wide-spread insurgency is just what Erdogan needs to push an anti democratic agenda - or so I fear. History repeats itself and that sort of stuff is easily abused to legitimate all sorts of 🤬 that shouldn't be happening, period.

/edit:
Didn't manage to find an English source, but here's an article from a German one...

Says there that Erdogan's "government" is preparing to take action against Germany. A boycott or somesuch. Meanwhile, the Turkish newspaper "Günes" put the blame for yesterday's car bombing attacks on Germany, basically blaming the German government for the terrorist attacks that killed eleven people and left many more injured.

At this rate, the madman's going to declare war in a week's time. I'm in favour of kicking him and his regime out of the NATO preemptively...

 

[mustafur]

Turkey joining NATO in the first place is questionable.

 

[20832]

Aaaand he's successfully ensured the pro-Kurdish members of parliament can be prosecuted "properly".

Damn. Reminds me way too much of how the Weimar Republic came to an end.

If you really think about, it's almost a carbon copy of it. I'm going to look it up, but I believe german media has also been reporting that Erdogan has intentions of gaining full control of the military.

I think that is (hopefully) going to be the last straw for the military to finally intervene and strip Erdogan off of his powers. Considering however that he has very good connections to people of power in just about every area (probably including the military), I feel like we can only watch and see what'll happen.

Considering that you and I both live in and near cities that have a high percentage of turks, not to mention the extremist cells of the Salafi and IS (Marxloh for you and Lohberg for me), it would certainly be interesting to gauge how they see Erdogan and generally his intentions and actions. IIRC he's playing right into their cards and follows the same "anti-western" and and traditional virtues.

I'm certainly cautious and generally a little concerned how this is going to play out. Having a dictatorship within the NATO certainly isn't something that is favourable, to say the least.

 

[mustafur]

Its pretty obvious Erdogan has been planning this since he was prime minister in the early 2000s.

 

[20832]

Its pretty obvious Erdogan has been planning this since he was prime minister in the early 2000s.

No doubt, to pull off (or even trying to pull off) something of this scale will take quite some time and a lot of planning and generally a large following, that caries everything he says and preaches.

In my opinion, he has shown these kinds of tendencies over and over again, and everybody just laughed it off. We and the turkish military could've and should've intervened much earlier to stop this trend from happening. But knowing our people in power we're going to "wait and see" how this whole ordeal pans out and only intervene when it's potentially too late.

I don't think our politicians want to have a dictorship in the NATO, and it's generally not in the interest of the EU to have a dictorship bordering directly with mainland Europe.

 

[Luminis]

If you really think about, it's almost a carbon copy of it.

Absolutely. And, as you alluded to in your second post, even down to the attempts of appeasment by neighbouring countries - instead of timely intervention.

Considering that you and I both live in and near cities that have a high percentage of turks, not to mention the extremist cells of the Salafi and IS (Marxloh for you and Lohberg for me), it would certainly be interesting to gauge how they see Erdogan and generally his intentions and actions.

I live in the very center of the city, luckily. Feels like the police has been on patrol more frequently of late, so that's a plus. I'll be honest, though, I wouldn't want my girlfriend to be out on her own after dark, at the moment. Not that I'm easily scared, but... Well, you never know what's been stirred up by the anti German stuff some Turkish newspapers have been propagating of late.

I don't think our politicians want to have a dictorship in the NATO, and it's generally not in the interest of the EU to have a dictorship bordering directly with mainland Europe.

I still hope that kicking Turkey out of the NATO is a sufficiently threatening to bring Erdogan to heel without too much trouble. Russia can be pretty scary without the NATO to back you up, after all...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Russia can be pretty scary without the NATO to back you up, after all...

Russia is only really scary when it wants to be. Bringing Turkey into the NATO fold was always a matter of convenience because it enabled the Americans to park Minuteman missiles on Moscow's door. Now that the Cold War is over, that need has been removed, and so aside from running sorties across Turkish airspace to get to Syria, I don't see what interest Putin would have in picking a fight with Erdogan. Fears of Russian re-expansion on the back of the annexation of Crimea and the insurrection in Donetsk have amounted to nothing, and if Putin really does have his eye on expansion, Turkey would not be high on his list of countries to invade.

 

[Liquid]

I'd be slightly worried about all this if I was Greece. On the one hand you've got the economic woes and on the other hand your greatest opponent throughout history is being run by a dipstick who wants to make Turkey great again.

 

[Luminis]

Russia is only really scary when it wants to be. Bringing Turkey into the NATO fold was always a matter of convenience because it enabled the Americans to park Minuteman missiles on Moscow's door. Now that the Cold War is over, that need has been removed, and so aside from running sorties across Turkish airspace to get to Syria, I don't see what interest Putin would have in picking a fight with Erdogan. Fears of Russian re-expansion on the back of the annexation of Crimea and the insurrection in Donetsk have amounted to nothing, and if Putin really does have his eye on expansion, Turkey would not be high on his list of countries to invade.

Consider that hope dashed That one sprung fourth from the memory of Turkey shooting a Russian aircraft down.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Consider that hope dashed That one sprung fourth from the memory of Turkey shooting a Russian aircraft down.

Only dashed because if Russia retaliated militarily, NATO will be on Moscow's door step in a minute with nukes.

 

[Dennisch]

Erdi, the man who lovingly stares at goats, has apologised to Russia for shooting down the jet.

And 2 lawyers in Germany have started a lawsuit in name of several German politicians against Goatie for war crimes and crimes against humanity, mainly against the Kurds.

 

[Rage Racer]

Erdi, the man who lovingly stares at goats, has apologised to Russia for shooting down the jet.

Perhaps a month of summer without Russian tourists hurts a lot...

 

[Blitz24]

Erdi, the man who lovingly stares at goats, has apologised to Russia for shooting down the jet.

And 2 lawyers in Germany have started a lawsuit in name of several German politicians against Goatie for war crimes and crimes against humanity, mainly against the Kurds.

Another interesting tidbit, Erdogan is trying to reconcile with Israel. While they both share a common "enemy" in Syria, I cannot see why Erdogan is trying to do this.

 

[Rage Racer]

"Counter-terrorist operation" in Turkish Kurdistan:

 

[Dennisch]

The purge continues.

PM Yildirim wants to completely ban Gülen's movement from Turkey, and they've officially asked the USA for extradition of Gülen. And on top of that. The call for bringing back the death penalty is getting stronger.

But that's just for the official books, of course.

 

[DK]

I wonder if a few coup plotters will suffer "accidents" if Erdogan doesn't get the death penalty re-instated.

 

[Liquid]

And on top of that. The call for bringing back the death penalty is getting stronger.

Is Turkey in the Council of Europe? You'd have to leave that to be able to reinstate the death penalty, if so.

 

[Dennisch]

Is Turkey in the Council of Europe? You'd have to leave that to be able to reinstate the death penalty, if so.

Yes.

And let them leave. We don't need Erdogan's Turkey in any of the European unions, councils, allied bladieblahs.

 

[Dotini]

Yes.

And let them leave. We don't need Erdogan's Turkey in any of the European unions, councils, allied bladieblahs.

Would you have them out of NATO as well?

Haven't we always fancied Turkey since the days of Ataturk as the bastion of democracy in middle east?
And haven't we always coveted Turkey's strategic location on the land route to Asia, the middle east and Africa? And the water passage to the Black Sea and points east? The US considers Turkey crucial to the military and commercial control of the globe. Ought not we be willing to give away our self-respect, honor, and good head to retain such a strategic prize in our alliance?

 

[mustafur]

Yes Turkey out of NATO would more or less stop an incoming WW3.

With the rest not obliged to get involved when Turkey gets involved with Russia or whoever they feel like there is much more stability.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

"Counter-terrorist operation" in Turkish Kurdistan:

Remember the more flags you hang the more "justice" you've brought for the "people".

 

[FoRiZon]

I dont like Erdogan. The fact that he ruled more than 10 years as President/Prime Minister and tried to shut down either Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, etc everytime Erdogan got into hot topic makes me suspicious he run a rather bad form of government.

I also love how in response to last coup, Erdogan is basically fired almost all of Turkey's governmental workers.

Good luck with that.

 

[mister dog]

I guess groundskeepers and garbage men are next!:

Luckily democracy prevailed last Friday.

 

[fumunaplz]

The purge continues.

PM Yildirim wants to completely ban Gülen's movement from Turkey, and they've officially asked the USA for extradition of Gülen. And on top of that. The call for bringing back the death penalty is getting stronger.

But that's just for the official books, of course.

Is this a confirmed U.S. involvement?

 

[Dennisch]

Is this a confirmed U.S. involvement?

No. This is Erdogan trying to get his powers to work across the Atlantic.

 

[Lain]

Looks like the education system will be getting a new curriculum...

http://news.trust.org/item/20160719140109-a2ayr/?source=hpMostPopularTheWire

 

[fumunaplz]

No. This is Erdogan trying to get his powers to work across the Atlantic.

Do you think it will work?

 

[Rage Racer]

Erdogan will visit Saint Petersburg on August, 9.
And yes, he thanked Russia for "support provided during the coup attempt".

Looks like he's now our friend again...
...until the next stab in the back.

 

[mister dog]

Erdogan will visit Saint Petersburg on August, 9.
And yes, he thanked Russia for "support provided during the coup attempt".

Looks like he's now our friend again...
...until the next stab in the back.

I wonder why Putin gave him credibility again. Must be something economically motivated right?