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Glutinous
I don´t think so, it clearly wasn´t intentional. IMO things like this are unlucky but they happen, it´s a race after all.

I feel the same about the falcon, gta overtake. Maybe it´s not 100 percent clean but imo it´s not worth a penalty, overtaking is hard enough and touching here and there is unavoidable.
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i agree falcon was almost along side him it was a light touch and didnt cause that much me and glutinous had bigger contacts than that! lol

also about the corckscrew it happens so quick, i saw a yellow car facing towards me (very scary) i pulled to the right, as did glutinous, i felt car slide so i pulled towards to left i could of taped him but then i did push him back in line lol :sly:
 
i dont have the replay coz of DC'ing... but if some could upload a quick vid of me tryin to lap senna on lap 27 n then again 2 laps later that would b good to see...... thanks
 
senna had the ghost car issue so he didnt see you plus another 4, he could only see 7 cars overall, thats why he crashed into you....
 
Paginas1
senna had the ghost car issue so he didnt see you plus another 4, he could only see 7 cars overall, thats why he crashed into you....
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that better not be the case...he said he saw everyone......n to think that prior to dc'ing my race was ruined by someone pullin that cack again after ppl were cleary asked that they could see 12 others
 
right this is a big problem, i will teach everyone what happens with ghost cars.... (my opinon, not FACT! lol)

1st - everyone connects lets say 10 people, everyone can see everyone as no race has started.....

2nd - race is about to start, everyone can still see everyone.

3rd - black screen before race, this is where the problem is - the connections between people are flying backwards and forwards (beep beep beep)

4th - race starts however 1 person might only see 8 people because he internet has connected with the other 2 people (however they can see him dont know why that is???)

The best way to sort this out is to do a 1 lap race before it starts to check connections etc then if someone cant see them then all they have to do is back out and rejoin as it resets everything....
however we cant do that because we do quali and race in 1 big go in this series....

basicaly the ghost car only happens when race starts! not before when free run is on
 
Race from my view.Qual went quite well,2nd place.Got a decent start and my plan was just to keep up with eppe who started in front.Stayed behind eppe for about 10 laps and then tried to make a move.Managed to make an overtake and after 2 laps eppe couldn't keep up with me.1st pitstop in 4-5 second lead.2nd stint was just to keep the gap within 2-3 seconds and accomplished with that.Same situation on 3rd stint..eppe made one try for an overake and on lap 40 he made a mistake and i got loose.Was easy to just drive to the end as fast as i could.Nice,tough and clean racing and looking forward to Trial Mountain although its not my favourite tracks.👍
 
that cant b the case.....ud wonder were 4 ppl suddenly went from quali....plus ud have to ask urself why there are empty grid slots.....

just ppl bein thick

still like someone to put the vid up for lol's
 
Diesel-Zee
that cant b the case.....ud wonder were 4 ppl suddenly went from quali....plus ud have to ask urself why there are empty grid slots.....

just ppl bein thick

still like someone to put the vid up for lol's
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im sorry to say but it is the case LOL and yes it would show empty places etc but would you stop and type and ask questions during the race why 4 other people have left?
if people have never seen the "ghost car" bug then they will not know anything about it and carry on racing, human nature :sly:

yes it was unfair you got hit by a backmarker but it happens theres not alot that anyone can do. :sly:

from now on everyone should know this issue and if seen then they should be respectful to others and leave....
 
well i didnt buy a mic so i could go to text chat..........

and yea leaving the room was the rule we made last time :/

not avin a go at u pag, just dont know why r tryin to defend this....i gave the guy the whole rest of the track whil tryin to lap him, n he still managed to take me out
 
Diesel-Zee
well i didnt buy a mic so i could go to text chat..........

and yea leaving the room was the rule we made last time :/

not avin a go at u pag, just dont know why r tryin to defend this....i gave the guy the whole rest of the track whil tryin to lap him, n he still managed to take me out
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course he took you out becuase he DIDNT see you in the race! its common on gt5 are you listening to me?

you could give him a year but the fact is he didnt see you.
i was speaking to him afterwards and he just had the ghost car issue its simple?

im only defending him because your saying pointing the finger at him saying he did it on purpose when he clearly didnt
 
If you can't see all the cars, you should just leave ASAP. Staying on track means you're intentionally making yourself a hazard and thus you should pay the penalty. It's common sense to leave IMO.

As for the overtake on me, i think the corkscrew is the one place you CAN'T overtake. There isn't enough room for 2 cars and common sense would tell you isn't a stupid move. He was a good distance back, so i had no warning. This also lead me to losing another place too.

I class it as avoidable contact, something which most if not all motorsports use as a rule. He should of waited for a better chance.
 
gtafreak47
If you can't see all the cars, you should just leave ASAP. Staying on track means you're intentionally making yourself a hazard and thus you should pay the penalty. It's common sense to leave IMO.

As for the overtake on me, i think the corkscrew is the one place you CAN'T overtake. There isn't enough room for 2 cars and common sense would tell you isn't a stupid move. He was a good distance back, so i had no warning. This also lead me to losing another place too.

I class it as avoidable contact, something which most if not all motorsports use as a rule. He should of waited for a better chance.
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from my view....he breaked in time for corner, you out breaked yourself and went wide, he took the inside line. i think maybe he could of left you a little bit more room but it was minor contact, just a little rub, also i think you pulled into him? which bounced you out as he hit that little annoying dip which prob made you bottom out causing you to slide (a little), you were still in the slipstream after that incident
 
the part about givin him all the track was seperate to the point i was making, which stands that i cant understand how someone can be missing 4 cars from the grid n think its ok to carry on..........funny thing is i knew he was gonna be a turd to overtake from the get go
 
Paginas1
from my view....he breaked in time for corner, you out breaked yourself and went wide, he took the inside line. i think maybe he could of left you a little bit more room but it was minor contact, just a little rub, also i think you pulled into him? which bounced you out as he hit that little annoying dip which prob made you bottom out causing you to slide (a little), you were still in the slipstream after that incident
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I didn't outbrake myself, that's my braking point and the line i take. I brake as late as my car can take. I go wide on entry and then cut in so i can get more speed on the exit. That's just the line i take.

I get i left room, but evenstill, everyone knows it's very risky place to overtake. He should of waited for a better chance. But instead, he was too aggressive.

Driver infront has the right of way in a corner, so he should of given me room, he didn't and took me off, therefore it's an illegal move.
 
gtafreak47
I didn't outbrake myself, that's my braking point and the line i take. I brake as late as my car can take. I go wide on entry and then cut in so i can get more speed on the exit. That's just the line i take.

I get i left room, but evenstill, everyone knows it's very risky place to overtake. He should of waited for a better chance. But instead, he was too aggressive.

Driver infront has the right of way in a corner, so he should of given me room, he didn't and took me off, therefore it's an illegal move.
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Its not an illegal move if the person doing the overtake has the inside line for the corner which in this move is the case.
 
Copied from gtp olr:

06: Running into the car ahead of you:


A:
The behind driver must take all necessary care and responsibility not to run into an ahead driver.

This is for gta falcon case #1.---> gta get a warning.👍
 
u probably got loads of those type of incidences in the race, with the slip u lose brakin n even stoppin early its hard to judge....neither driver deserves a warning
 
RamoSapiens
Copied from gtp olr:

06: Running into the car ahead of you:


A:
The behind driver must take all necessary care and responsibility not to run into an ahead driver.

This is for gta falcon case #1.---> gta get a warning.👍
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So surely that counts towards Falcon too?

But apparently not according to you. :indiff:

if you want to go on about rules, here's 3 from ORL:
B:
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner’s turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver’s position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.

C:
If sufficient overlap is established before the turn-in point, then the behind driver has the right to sufficient side room. The ahead driver must also leave sufficient side room for the behind driver. This means that each driver has a right to their respective "line", or side of the track, right up to the exit point. Neither driver should squeeze the other toward the inside or outside of the corner during the apex or exit.

D:
If an ahead driver has clearly made an error to warrant a passing move, a behind driver may attack their position, with due caution and care, regardless of whether there was any pre-existing overlap. However, the overtaking driver must still avoid contact. Small errors by the ahead driver may not justify a passing move. The ahead driver getting a bit out of shape at times doesn’t give you an automatic right to pass. You still have to judge if their error allows for a safe pass to take place.
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Falcon is is clear violation of ALL 3 of these rules. (corkscrew incident, not case #1)
 
Sorry, but i don't agree on me being punished for something you did aswell, but get away with.

Will not, never will back down on something like that.
 
Seems to me that We have to add a new rule.

Arguing at the Stewards decision with 10+ PM:s
will resultate in KICK out of the series...:guilty:
 
RamoSapiens
Seems to me that We have to add a new rule.

Arguing at the Stewards decision with 10+ PM:s
will resultate in KICK out of the series...:guilty:
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Maybe if you treated both drivers equally and follow the rules people wouldn't be so confused.

First it's Falcons fault, then it's not, then it's my fault. Then you threaten people when they don't understand.

How do you expect people to take you seriously with that sort of behaviour and attitude.

Everything i've said is justified and i stand by it. All i ask is for everyone to be treated equally. You can't enforce a rule on one driver but not the next.
 
gtafreak47
Maybe if you treated both drivers equally and follow the rules people wouldn't be so confused.

First it's Falcons fault, then it's not, then it's my fault. Then you threaten people when they don't understand.

How do you expect people to take you seriously with that sort of behaviour and attitude.

Everything i've said is justified and i stand by it. All i ask is for everyone to be treated equally. You can't enforce a rule on one driver but not the next.
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I'll tell you something, you would not last 5 minutes in a real life race with that attitude. Its happened, move on and as we are in the same race again next week, don't turn an incident into a shouting match if you and me are involved.
 
gtafreak47
Maybe if you treated both drivers equally and follow the rules people wouldn't be so confused.

First it's Falcons fault, then it's not, then it's my fault. Then you threaten people when they don't understand.

How do you expect people to take you seriously with that sort of behaviour and attitude.

Everything i've said is justified and i stand by it. All i ask is for everyone to be treated equally. You can't enforce a rule on one driver but not the next.
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It was hard to tell from the replay whos fault the
corkscrew incident was, thats why I spent an hour
recording and put it on utube. From the video it was easier too watch when You can rewind.
Our decision was that falcon was taken off his penalty.

Either you take that or You can leave the series,
If anybody else got problems here, feel free to go. We don´t need any whiners who don´t take
the stewards decisions serious.
 
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