EVO IX goes on sale in Japan today

[Joey D]

Are your kidding me? I showed your the numbers. The standard Evo is on par with the standard STi. But whatever you don't ever seem to listen to anyone anys ways. And you are a moron, if I must show you other thread where you proved this to me say the word and I'll PM you as not to take up board space.

Anyways I still hate the rear end on the Evo, the front is great but the back is so so. I really dislike that spolier they put on the back of the car, it doesn't really fit it too well. I think a low spolier like on the 2.5 RS would look ok on the car. But after seeing wingless Evo's, I think they look the best without em.

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

The spoiler looks great, but I still don't like the plain looking trunk. I wish it would have a dual exhaust tip so it looks more "balanced" to me.

 

[JNasty4G63]

I wish it would have a dual exhaust tip so it looks more "balanced" to me.

True, it would look more balanced. But, dual exhaust on a just about every inline engined car is just cosmetic. And since the Evo is all about performance, I doubt you'll see them do it. Like with the SRT-4. Sure it looks nice with the dual tips poking out from the back, but its just for looks. The exhaust comes back to the rear in one pipe, and then just splits to the two tips after the muffler. Looks nice, but I doubt you'll ever see the Evo go to something like that because it doesn't actually make the car any power or performance.

Hilg

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

True, it would look more balanced. But, dual exhaust on a just about every inline engined car is just cosmetic. And since the Evo is all about performance, I doubt you'll see them do it. Like with the SRT-4. Sure it looks nice with the dual tips poking out from the back, but its just for looks. The exhaust comes back to the rear in one pipe, and then just splits to the two tips after the muffler. Looks nice, but I doubt you'll ever see the Evo go to something like that because it doesn't actually make the car any power or performance.

Hilg

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I believe that I wasn't thinking straight about the dual exhaust pipes for the Evo! The Evo's inline engine is placed in a sideway position, but a Corvette's V8 is facing forward. I got messed up that an Evo's sideways engine can only have one header to bring out the exhaust gas out of the combustion chamber, while a C5 can have two headers to bring out the exhaust gas. Different engine designs, different exhaust setup! I don't want to type an essay here about why I think an inline's exhaust setup is different from a V8 such as a C5. Simply, I would say: Space, Design and Engine Arrangement.

Sorry for such a compliment I made earlier. Makes me look a bit dumb! Still got a long way to catch up to you GTP members as I am only in Auto-Mechanics 1-2.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

We could try factoring in the possibility that nobody read the article. I said .6kg for the wheels.

"GSR and GT trim levels run on Enkei 17x8JJ lightweight 5-double-spoke alloy road wheels that are 0.15 kg per wheel lighter than those fitted to Evolution VIII MR."

My point is that they're really stretching to find tiny little advancements for the car. I must say, I do like the new rear, though.

 

[JNasty4G63]

.....My point is that they're really stretching to find tiny little advancements for the car. I must say, I do like the new rear, though.

True, its a fairly small ammount of weight when looked at in whole with the car. But wheel weight is unsprung. And saving unsprung weight, of any ammount, is always beneficial. Thats why you see many high performance cars using lightweight suspension arms, lower links, and such. The lower you can get the weight of the unsprung mass of the car, the better the suspension can react and do its thing. So, yes, the ammount seems slightly insignificant. I mean, if you stop and pick up some Taco Bell, you probably have more in the bag than they saved in wheel weight. But being unsprung mass they saved, its very beneficial.

Hilg

 

[Double_R]

Are your kidding me? I showed your the numbers. The standard Evo is on par with the standard STi. But whatever you don't ever seem to listen to anyone anys ways. And you are a moron, if I must show you other thread where you proved this to me say the word and I'll PM you as not to take up board space.

Anyways I still hate the rear end on the Evo, the front is great but the back is so so. I really dislike that spolier they put on the back of the car, it doesn't really fit it too well. I think a low spolier like on the 2.5 RS would look ok on the car. But after seeing wingless Evo's, I think they look the best without em.

Look batty boy are you retarded or just plain stupid. The figures I have are the official manufactures figures. How can you argue with that. You are obviously a Impreza fan boy who belives every single thing you read in tuner mags. I deal with hard cold facts and those facts show that the evo is faster 0-60 .
People like you will belive everything like when people as civic type r drivers what the fastest car they have blown away and they reply with stupid answers like porsche boxter S just because they car has a induction kit and a aftermarket exhaust.

 

[Joey D]

Me? An Impreza Fan Boy That's the funniest thing I've heard in the longest time. Ask anyone who's been around the boards for awhile and they will tell you that I pretty much dislike every Japanese cars even if they are proven to be great. I just dislike them. God I'm still laughing.

I don't like Civic's nor do I like the Porshe Boxer either. In fact I don't really know or care about cars all that much, I'm a truck guy. I used and note the USED to be a Import guy but I gave that up, I was stupid back in my early and mid teen years.

And what I'm saying is look at your figures, now look at the STi and just a regular Evo. The figures are almost the same, don't go off and use this FQ300 thing. I didn't want to have to do this but it looks as if I will need to go find the number....later though.

It's funny that you classify me since you've only been here a few months and almost have been banned numerous times. While me I've been here for almost 3 years.

Me an Impreza fan boy

 

[Double_R]

Me? An Impreza Fan Boy That's the funniest thing I've heard in the longest time. Ask anyone who's been around the boards for awhile and they will tell you that I pretty much dislike every Japanese cars even if they are proven to be great. I just dislike them. God I'm still laughing.

I don't like Civic's nor do I like the Porshe Boxer either. In fact I don't really know or care about cars all that much, I'm a truck guy. I used and note the USED to be a Import guy but I gave that up, I was stupid back in my early and mid teen years.

And what I'm saying is look at your figures, now look at the STi and just a regular Evo. The figures are almost the same, don't go off and use this FQ300 thing. I didn't want to have to do this but it looks as if I will need to go find the number....later though.

It's funny that you classify me since you've only been here a few months and almost have been banned numerous times. While me I've been here for almost 3 years.

Me an Impreza fan boy

Look dumbarse that is our standard evo. We also have a 260 Mr but that car costs 2 grand less than the STi so the closest thing is the FQ300.
And If you dont like japanese cars go away. We dont need your comments.

 

[Joey D]

I don't think you understood me, I dislike Japanese cars, I don't disrespect them. Big difference. Anyways I will quick whoring out the thread. Sorry.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

So maybe the UK Evo is faster then the UK STi.

The US is totally different. We get the more powerful, 320HP, motor, and our Evo has only in the 270 range. So it's totally different here.

 

[ArnoldM]

a four banger that can run with the V8 Mustang GT is very impressive to me.

my left nut can keep up with that pig

 

[McLaren]

As someone said before, I'm waiting for #10.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

I don't see the point of this car. It looks almost exactly the same as the last two generations of Lancer Evos.

 

[Joey D]

my left nut can keep up with that pig

What are you 5? Thats the worst reply to a post I've seen in a while. If you knew anything or read anything you would have seen the test between the Mustang and STi, it was a close match and there was no clear cut winner.

 

[JNasty4G63]

I don't see the point of this car. It looks almost exactly the same as the last two generations of Lancer Evos.

Evolution, not Revolution. This car, like all the Evo's before it, is just a mild update from the VIII. The big thing with this one is the engine though. Finally Mitsu is getting the MIVEC applied to the 4G63. While it doesn't give HUGE gains, it does help, and updates the engine to somewhat new-tech status. But, I see this as a teaser of what will come with the X.

As we all know, the Evo's go in sets of 3. The Evo X will be the first one with the new chassis. And, as sad as I am to say this, hopefully a new engine. I love the 4G63 as an engine, its a great engine. But, it is VERY old. Much the same with the EJ20 in the WRX. Great engines, but very old tech. They need updates. We saw this with the STi motor here in the US with the increased displacement and the variable valve control. Mild update, but BIG gains in power. Same thing with the new MIVEC version of the 4G63. Seems mild, but if and when a new motor shows with the X, it will be that much better from what they learn with this IX motor.

Other than that, its just little small baby steps. The car just gets a little tweak here, and small change there. One thing is for sure though, it didn't get SLOWER. It might not seem like much changed, but if you look at it compared to the VII, the changes are a bit more drastic. Chassis changes, new variable valve head, a new 6-speed, better suspension......lots new. But, like I said, its all about baby steps.

EVOLUTION, not REVOLUTION

Hilg

 

[JNasty4G63]

.....you would have seen the test between the Mustang and STi, it was a close match and there was no clear cut winner.

BUT, that test was with the STi and a Cobra, not a regular GT. BIG difference there. Not to knock the Mustang, but if it was just a GT against the STi, the Suby would have mopped the floor with it. But, against the Cobra, it was a good match.

Hilg

 

[Joey D]

Meh I was close.

 

[Double_R]

What are you 5? Thats the worst reply to a post I've seen in a while. If you knew anything or read anything you would have seen the test between the Mustang and STi, it was a close match and there was no clear cut winner.

Whats the point of having a great big V8 in what is meant to be a performance orientated car if there are 2 litre four pots that will kill it. Doesnt make sense to me other than marketing and because big engines are cheaper to make than turbo engines.

 

[Joey D]

Because numbers sell cars, it's all about marketing. The average consumer wants bigger and better. They also associate V8 with power and I4 with economy, so it's all a matter of how you veiw something.

But if you gave me the choice between a Mustang Cobra and a Subby STi, there is no doubt I would go with the Mustang.

 

[Double_R]

So maybe the UK Evo is faster then the UK STi.

The US is totally different. We get the more powerful, 320HP, motor, and our Evo has only in the 270 range. So it's totally different here.

Car manufactures need to wise up and give both continents the best of what they have to offer.

 

[Double_R]

Because numbers sell cars, it's all about marketing. The average consumer wants bigger and better. They also associate V8 with power and I4 with economy, so it's all a matter of how you veiw something.

But if you gave me the choice between a Mustang Cobra and a Subby STi, there is no doubt I would go with the Mustang.

Americans need to clue up. No wonder every other continent mocks american cars. The new mustang has a olddddddddd chassis. Its all wobbly and no1 in the uk is buying the crossfire either.

 

[Joey D]

Except that's aweful for marketing. Trust me, they know more about how to market cars then some punk kids on the internet do. It's all about demographics.

 

[Double_R]

Im not saying the car manufactures have to clue up. Im talking about people like you. Dont you resecrh your cars and facts and figures before you part with your cash.???? Its not all about numbers. For every american car you can name I can name you a better european car. Thats why the big american companies are buying as many european manufactures as they can. And the only reason why the american companies can do this is because america is the most powerful country in the world with lots of people who buy american cars making the american companies rich enough to buy out better car manufactures.

 

[Joey D]

Well I'm glad you see that we are the most powerful country in the world.

Anyways I'm not doubting that Europe has good cars and I didn't bring them up once. I'm just saying that I would much rather have a V8 over a I4 that puts out as much power.

And the reason American car companies buy European car company (Save for Merc buying Chysler err whatever it was) But Ford and GM are the two biggest car companies in the world, why wouldn't they want to have market share over in Europe. It's all just business.

Also what about the selling of car companies. GM dumped Fiat didn't they?

 

[Double_R]

Fiat wernt doing to well for quite a time now.

 

[JNasty4G63]

.....But Ford and GM are the two biggest car companies in the world, why wouldn't they want to have market share over in Europe. It's all just business.

Wrong. Ford is #1, but its Toyota in the #2 spot now, ahead of GM. And, with things going the way they are, I give it about 2-3 years, and they will be #1. Ford has about a 14.5% market share, with Toyota coming in at about 12% right now. But, given the rate that they are increasing, and Ford is back-tracking, it won't take long. Toyota is huge, simple fact.

Hilg

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Evolution, not Revolution. This car, like all the Evo's before it, is just a mild update from the VIII. The big thing with this one is the engine though. Finally Mitsu is getting the MIVEC applied to the 4G63. While it doesn't give HUGE gains, it does help, and updates the engine to somewhat new-tech status. But, I see this as a teaser of what will come with the X.

As we all know, the Evo's go in sets of 3. The Evo X will be the first one with the new chassis. And, as sad as I am to say this, hopefully a new engine. I love the 4G63 as an engine, its a great engine. But, it is VERY old. Much the same with the EJ20 in the WRX. Great engines, but very old tech. They need updates. We saw this with the STi motor here in the US with the increased displacement and the variable valve control. Mild update, but BIG gains in power. Same thing with the new MIVEC version of the 4G63. Seems mild, but if and when a new motor shows with the X, it will be that much better from what they learn with this IX motor.

Other than that, its just little small baby steps. The car just gets a little tweak here, and small change there. One thing is for sure though, it didn't get SLOWER. It might not seem like much changed, but if you look at it compared to the VII, the changes are a bit more drastic. Chassis changes, new variable valve head, a new 6-speed, better suspension......lots new. But, like I said, its all about baby steps.

EVOLUTION, not REVOLUTION

Hilg

I stand corrected. I was looking at it from a styling perspective, which was stupid. The least I could have done was look at the actual changes. Thank you for the info, though.

I still like the car (BIG turbo... fanatic!!!), but I figured by now there would have been at least some styling changes.

EVO 4:restyled after 3
EVO 5:restyled after 4
EVO 6:*same* as 5
EVO 7:restyled after 6
EVO 8:*same* as 7
EVO 9:*same* as 7-8

 

[PS]

Im not saying the car manufactures have to clue up. Im talking about people like you. Dont you resecrh your cars and facts and figures before you part with your cash.???? Its not all about numbers. For every american car you can name I can name you a better european car. Thats why the big american companies are buying as many european manufactures as they can. And the only reason why the american companies can do this is because america is the most powerful country in the world with lots of people who buy american cars making the american companies rich enough to buy out better car manufactures.

Excuse me, but European car manufacturers are well known to have unreliable engines and overly complicated technology. What's the good of 3000 safety features if they don't work?

But where Europeans screw up on technology, Americans screw up on over-simplification, namely engines. It's mostly the shoddy construction of the interior and exterior body panels and cheap parts they use. And may I remind you, that Ford owns Jaguar and Aston Martin, as well as 33.34% of Mazda?

Fiat wernt doing to well for quite a time now.

Because they sucked. So do Ferrari.

Americans need to clue up. No wonder every other continent mocks american cars. The new mustang has a olddddddddd chassis. Its all wobbly and no1 in the uk is buying the crossfire either.

*cut*

Car manufactures need to wise up and give both continents the best of what they have to offer.

Well, I'll try to interpret whatever you were saying. American car manufacturers do fine marketing, it's their cars that suck. As far as I'm concerned American cars should stick to the A->B cars, and the straight line speed cars. European cars should stick to Luxury and touring cars, and Japanese cars should stick to Econo and Rally oriented cars. It all works out that way, it's kind of been that way for years.

While I agree that car manufacturers should allow all continents to have the same types of cars, it's just not practical. For instance, in Europe the roads in the cities/towns are much smaller, and therefore smaller cars are sold in Europe. If they sold them anywhere else (*not necessarily true) then they wouldn't sell well, the company would lose money, and end up being bought out by some giant. I actually hope Toyota would buy out a company or two, they make amazing cars and given their current situation they could probably afford to. With the introduction of Scion there's no telling where they may end up.

Either way, I suggest you all research into matters beforehand instead of spewing out an opinion with a falsified fact in it.

 

[JNasty4G63]

EVO 4:restyled after 3
EVO 5:restyled after 4
EVO 6:*same* as 5
EVO 7:restyled after 6
EVO 8:*same* as 7
EVO 9:*same* as 7-8

Well, your kind of right........

Evo I

CD9A chassis
Basically, the Galant VR-4 drivetrain was shoe-horned into the Japanese Lancer chassis. Using the 4G63, it made 247hp.

Evo II

CE9A chassis
Same basic car, but using a little different suspension arangement, the track and wheelbase were increased. Also, some mild little body mods started to appear. Bigger cams, more exhaust flow, and some minor tuning raised power to 256hp.

Evo III

CE9A chassis
Same chassis as the II, but now the body mods started to more resemble what we know as the Evo. The large wing, the front air dam, and so on. New turbo and a compression raise brought power up to 266hp.

Evo IV

CN9A chassis
First Evo on the newly unveiled Lancer chassis. Wing is bigger, hood get the vent, fenders get bigger. Also the first appearance of AYC (Active Yaw) to distribute power left to right in the rear for better body control. Engine mods were a twin-scroll turbo, bigger cams, more exhaust flow again, and a comression drop to help with more boost. Power was listed at 276hp, but was thought to be more, since that was right at the "limit" in Japan at the time.

Evo V

CP9A chassis
More body mods to accomodate a big track increase. Bigger 17" wheels to clear the new brakes. Wing bigger, front air dam has more vents, hood vent bigger. Turbo gets bigger again and runs more boost. Power stays at 276hp, but torque goes up to 275lb/ft. Some speculate they are now close to 300hp.

Evo VI

CP9A chassis
No major chassis changes. Body mods done for more cooling and air flow. Smaller fog lamps for bigger vents, license plate offset to aid flow through the IC. Engine got a new Titanium turbine wheel. Power was listed as the same, as was torque, but with the new turbine wheel, response was greatly increased.

Evo VII

CT9A chassis
New Lancer Cedia chassis used. New body style, same mods. Vents, scoops, ducting, big wings. Transmission got the ACD (Active Diff) center diff to electronically distribute power front to rear. Together the ACD and AYC could basically get the car going where the computer thought the driver wanted to go. Power still 276hp, but torque now was listed at 283lb/ft. Flow increased in parts of engine and intercooler to aid response.

Evo VIII

CT9A chassis
Same Cedia chassis used still. Engine basically the same as the VII. Body very similar, minor wing and bumper changes. The ACD is updated, and the AYC is upgraded to "Super-AYC" for even more control. The MR edition with its 6-speed, Bilstein suspension, and "vortex generators" show up.

Evo IX

CT9A chassis
Still the same chassis. Engine now gets MIVEC valve control for better response and more mid-range power. New body mods get more flow to engine and coolers. The wheels, along with some minor suspension pieces are lighter to get the unsprung weight down. The 6-speed and Bilstein suspension are still available on MR models.

EVOLUTION not REVOLUTION

Hilg