EVO IX goes on sale in Japan today

[GroupB]

The USA version gets the new front end but not the new diffuser-type rear bumper. It looks like Mitsubishi decided to re-use the current Evo 8/MR rear bumper here in the States. Also note the fins are still above the rear window as on the MR.

US-spec Evo IX at the New York Auto Show:

Evo IX for the rest of the world:

 

[JNasty4G63]

The USA version gets the new front end but not the new diffuser-type rear bumper. It looks like Mitsubishi decided to re-use the current Evo 8/MR rear bumper here in the States.

Yea, we never get the same rear bumper. Its a miracle that we even get a matching front bumper really. Our crash standards and 5mph bumper laws are the cause. We got a different bumper on the VIII as well as the new IX.

Evo VII Bumper

Evo VIII UK & JDM Bumper

Evo VIII & IX US Bumper

.....Also note the fins are still above the rear window as on the MR.

Those are the "Vortex Generators" on the MR. They are still standard for the MR, but now on the IX they are color keyed with the exterior, not just black like on the VIII.

Hilg

 

[Double_R]

Excuse me, but European car manufacturers are well known to have unreliable engines and overly complicated technology. What's the good of 3000 safety features if they don't work?

But where Europeans screw up on technology, Americans screw up on over-simplification, namely engines. It's mostly the shoddy construction of the interior and exterior body panels and cheap parts they use. And may I remind you, that Ford owns Jaguar and Aston Martin, as well as 33.34% of Mazda?



Because they sucked. So do Ferrari.


Well, I'll try to interpret whatever you were saying. American car manufacturers do fine marketing, it's their cars that suck. As far as I'm concerned American cars should stick to the A->B cars, and the straight line speed cars. European cars should stick to Luxury and touring cars, and Japanese cars should stick to Econo and Rally oriented cars. It all works out that way, it's kind of been that way for years.

While I agree that car manufacturers should allow all continents to have the same types of cars, it's just not practical. For instance, in Europe the roads in the cities/towns are much smaller, and therefore smaller cars are sold in Europe. If they sold them anywhere else (*not necessarily true) then they wouldn't sell well, the company would lose money, and end up being bought out by some giant. I actually hope Toyota would buy out a company or two, they make amazing cars and given their current situation they could probably afford to. With the introduction of Scion there's no telling where they may end up.

Either way, I suggest you all research into matters beforehand instead of spewing out an opinion with a falsified fact in it.

You havent read properly what I was saying.

Firstly some european cars used to be unrealiable but now in this day and age you cannot fault many cars except for the of likes of alfa romeo.

All german cars are reliable.
All scandinavian cars are reliable.
Most british cars are reliable.
Most french cars are reliable.

Basiacally world round most car manufacturers have now sorted the engine reliability issues.

Secondly what has ford owning aston martin jaguar etc got to do with what I was saying.

Thirdly ferrari dont suck. I dislike ferrari but you have to give them their dues as they are good at what they do.

Fourthly I also didnt say that american marketing was wrong or had a problem. They are doing a great job selling mediocre cars.

Fifthly a car manufacturer should make any car theyre heart desires and not by what nationality they originate from. And by the way europeans make every type of car great. From econ boxes to hyper cars they make everything.


Sixthly obviously america has the biggest roads but british/french/german/belgique/dutch roads are just a little smaller with japan having similiar size roads. The roads are big enough for tankers/lorrys/trucks so I dont think car manufactures take road size into much thought when designing their cars.

 

[Joey D]

What the hell are you saying? You can't add -ly to the end of a number to prove points.

Every car is reliable if you take care of it properly! It's also a matter of preception. If you buy a $10,000 Aveo how long do you think it will last? Not very long. You get what you pay for.

Because Ford owns Jaguar, which is proven to be one of the most unreliable cars on the market since rich women buy them. They take it to the dealer ship if the cigarette lighter breaks. That's why is unreliablity is so high.

Ferrari's do suck since they are really freakin expensive and you get the same performance as a Corvette. You are buying a name, just like buying Nike shoes.

America doesn't sell medicore vehicles. Unless you think a Magnum, 300C. SRT anything, and so on it boring and medicore. I think they are over the top personally.

Europe doesn't make everything great, any pick-up truck of there's blows! Come on a Volkswagen truck? What the hell was up with that?

Car companies should make cars that sell so share holders like me make a killing, not what some punk kid on an internet forum thinks is uber cool.

With your last statement, I would gues you've never driven in an American city which is rediculious.

 

[Double_R]

What the hell are you saying? You can't add -ly to the end of a number to prove points.

Every car is reliable if you take care of it properly! It's also a matter of preception. If you buy a $10,000 Aveo how long do you think it will last? Not very long. You get what you pay for.

Because Ford owns Jaguar, which is proven to be one of the most unreliable cars on the market since rich women buy them. They take it to the dealer ship if the cigarette lighter breaks. That's why is unreliablity is so high.

Ferrari's do suck since they are really freakin expensive and you get the same performance as a Corvette. You are buying a name, just like buying Nike shoes.

America doesn't sell medicore vehicles. Unless you think a Magnum, 300C. SRT anything, and so on it boring and medicore. I think they are over the top personally.

Europe doesn't make everything great, any pick-up truck of there's blows! Come on a Volkswagen truck? What the hell was up with that?

Car companies should make cars that sell so share holders like me make a killing, not what some punk kid on an internet forum thinks is uber cool.

With your last statement, I would gues you've never driven in an American city which is rediculious.

a 10.000 aveo will last as long as you drive it sensibly and take good care of it.Look at all the third world countries with their japanese cars that are decades on end old but still run on the dusty dirt tracks and dont get much attention but still run over ridden and overworked. They are supremely reliable and will have cost less than $10.000.
A ferrari will run rings around the corvette.And also any idiot can have a corvette but not anyone can have the thrill of having a beatifully crafted ferrari which is ever so lovely. Look around you at the rest of the nations and they are all laughing at your beloved corner. 'Oh we best slow down now in this corvette to 30mph.We are approching a corner' - Most car magazines on the corvette.
ahahahha magnum and 300c ahahahha they are ugly and pooooo.The SRT is ok if not a bit bland after a while.The volkswagen wasnt a pick up truck.

Car companies should make great cars to keep the buyers happy which in turn makes share holders happy. Arent your shares going down right about now.

And I have driven in america in a buick lesabre.

At the end of the day car companies should make good cars that people want to buy and at the same time look after the enviroment.And not just make great big v10s and v8s to ferry around skinny little ***** 5 foot 8 boys who think that american cars are ever so great.

 

[Joey D]

a 10.000 aveo will last as long as you drive it sensibly and take good care of it.Look at all the third world countries with their japanese cars that are decades on end old but still run on the dusty dirt tracks and dont get much attention but still run over ridden and overworked. They are supremely reliable and will have cost less than $10.000.

Because they only get those old Japanese cars, you think thrid world countries would drive American cars? No because they aren't even sold to them.

A ferrari will run rings around the corvette.And also any idiot can have a corvette but not anyone can have the thrill of having a beatifully crafted ferrari which is ever so lovely. Look around you at the rest of the nations and they are all laughing at your beloved corner. 'Oh we best slow down now in this corvette to 30mph.We are approching a corner' - Most car magazines on the corvette.
ahahahha magnum and 300c ahahahha they are ugly and pooooo.The SRT is ok if not a bit bland after a while.

Actually the C6 kept up with a 911 on the track when Car and Driver tested them. So I would give it more credit then you are. Most car magazines love the Vette, even more then they like the Viper.

Ferrari's are overrated, just look at the stats.

I was talking about performance on the Magnum and 300C not the looks.

A 215hp Neon and bland in the same sentence...umm ok.

The volkswagen wasnt a pick up truck.

I present to you a VW truck.

Car companies should make great cars to keep the buyers happy which in turn makes share holders happy. Arent your shares going down right about now.

I'm not losing money, but I don't talk about my finances since those aren't anyone elses business.

And I have driven in america in a buick lesabre.

That explains why you would hate American cars.

At the end of the day car companies should make good cars that people want to buy and at the same time look after the enviroment.And not just make great big v10s and v8s to ferry around skinny little ***** 5 foot 8 boys who think that american cars are ever so great.

I'm 5'7 and I'm not that skinny. There is no need to swear either.

Cars don't ferry me, a boat does when I go to Mackinac Island.

I'm not going to keep argueing the other points since you are just thick headed. Plus you (pot) are calling me (kettle) black.

 

[Double_R]

Because they only get those old Japanese cars, you think thrid world countries would drive American cars? No because they aren't even sold to them.



Actually the C6 kept up with a 911 on the track when Car and Driver tested them. So I would give it more credit then you are. Most car magazines love the Vette, even more then they like the Viper.

Ferrari's are overrated, just look at the stats.

I was talking about performance on the Magnum and 300C not the looks.

A 215hp Neon and bland in the same sentence...umm ok.



I present to you a VW truck.

I'm not losing money, but I don't talk about my finances since those aren't anyone elses business.



That explains why you would hate American cars.



I'm 5'7 and I'm not that skinny. There is no need to swear either.

Cars don't ferry me, a boat does when I go to Mackinac Island.

I'm not going to keep argueing the other points since you are just thick headed. Plus you (pot) are calling me (kettle) black.

Third world countries do get some american cars.The third world countries dont exatly buy them new. Old cars that us modernised citizens dont want anymore get shipped there.
They may like your vette in america. Just like how in england they love the asom martins. It due to pride and because you will want to like something more that is from your country.

Ferraris are pieces of art work with a lovely tune and interior with a beautiful buying process and choices of any colour and interior needs.

The 300c is nothing special and neither is the magnum. They are average for a performance oreintated version of their kind. The thing that lets them down from european contenders is handling and looks.Oh and fuel effiencency. The average european car is expected to do atleast 40mpg.

The neon is bland in looks and not all that to drive comparing to other hot hatches. And we do get neons in the UK. Give me a civic type-r over that anyday. A focus RS will see it off anyday aswell.

that VW is olddddddddd.
And if your invested in gm their stocks are falling.

 

[JNasty4G63]

.....Actually the C6 kept up with a 911 on the track when Car and Driver tested them. So I would give it more credit then you are.

Well, that was the standard Carrera, not the S. Not making excuses for the Porsche, because they don't need them, but its not a straight fight. One car has 400hp, the other 325hp. Which do you think would be better??? And, even with that lack of power, it was very close.

.....Most car magazines love the Vette, even more then they like the Viper.

Most of the AMERICAN car magazines say they like the Vette because they know you don't want to get on GM's bad side. Read any other magazine from around the world, and the Vette is seen as an old-tech lard. Is it a fast, fun machine??? Sure. Do you get a lot for your $45-50k?? Not really. Why do you think they used to underrate the Camaro SS. It was $15k less than the Vette, but would keep up with it easilly. That's not good to hear when you want to sell Vettes. Car mags make $$$$ with advertising. If you talk bad about the cars, the companys are less that nice to you, and very well could stop, or lessen the ammount of ads. Its all about the $$$. They might SAY they like the car, any car. But, in reality, its all politics.

Ferrari's are overrated, just look at the stats.

Its not all about #'s you know. My fiance drives a Cooper S. It isn't the fastest, most powerful, greatest handling, or best looking car out there. But, I'll be damned if it isn't the most fun car I've ever driven. Hands down. The numbers won't tell you that, but behind the wheel, the numbers mean nothing. If all you look at is the numbers of a Ferrari, which most Americans do, they don't seem very good. But with cars like Ferrari, Porsche, Astons, Bentley, and the like, its not about the numbers, but more about the WHOLE ownership experience. You feel like you're part of something when owning one. The heritage and aura that come with them are great. And, very few of those cars, if kept nice, will depreciate. Look up the blue book on a '98 C5 right now, and see what they go for. Its not about #s with cars like that. Just like I was saying earlier about the Porsche vs. C6. Sure, the Vette was faster around the track, cost less, and whatever. But, its not all about that with Porsche ownership.

I was talking about performance on the Magnum and 300C not the looks.

Either way, does it matter???? They're big, portly, ill-handling cars. Sure, by the numbers that you love so much, they kick ass. Big Hemi, 340hp, ton's of torque, and a decent 0-60. But, when it comes to turning or stopping that 4200lbs, its not so great.

A 215hp Neon and bland in the same sentence...umm ok.

You can polish a turd all you want, its still a turd. Again, by the numbers, the SRT-4 seems great. They now have 230hp and are quick in a straight line. But, at heart, they are just a crappy Neon with a big engine. The classic American way of doing things. HELL, they have crank windows in the rear. Yes, again, by the numbers they seem great. But, when it comes down to it, its just a fast Neon that doesn't do much else but go straight real fast.

I'm not trying to piss anyone off here, but its just the way things happen here in the states. Americans, for the most part, are all about numbers. What do car people all talk about with cars??? The 1/4 mile time, or top speed. But, go read a non-american magazine, like EVO or CAR, and you'll rarely see those numbers mentioned. They will list them, and maybe mention them. But its almost always all about how the car is as a whole, not just the speed or numbers. You will hardly ever see them test a cars slalom or skidpad numbers. Take the Evo and WRX. They aren't the fastest, quickest, or best looking cars out there. But, for an all-around performance machine that can serve daily duty, they are hard to beat. Its just the way we see things here. I, for one, don't really care about numbers. They're fun to talk about, but they don't really help anything but talk. Take my Talon for example. Sure, its real fast, and runs a quick 1/4, but as I said, nothing beats the Cooper for fun to drive in our household.

Hilg

 

[Joey D]

I could refute points all night but since I don't really feel up to it I will just say a few things more.

If you were going to compare a better model of the 911 then you should compare it to the Z06. Stock for stock the Corvette is almost as good, just like the STi to the Mustang.

Why would I read other magazines, I get Car and Driver, AutoWeek, Moto Trend, and Road & Track. I don't think they are all that biased because I've seen harsh reviews on American cars and great reviews on Japanese ones.

I personally hate the Mini Cooper, why would I want that small of a car. Sure it may be fun as hell to drive but I won't get one. A Turboed PT was fun to drive, would I want one? No.

I'll just say whatever to the 300C/Magnum thing since that's getting too off topic or whatever.

And with the Neon the same can be said about the wonder Civic Type R everyone seems to love. It's still a polished econo box.

Also I don't buy cars baised on numbers, if I did I wouldn't drive a Blazer. I buy them on looks and function. My truck can haul things and it looks really good. It serves a point.

 

[PS]

Third world countries do get some american cars.The third world countries dont exatly buy them new. Old cars that us modernised citizens dont want anymore get shipped there.
They may like your vette in america. Just like how in england they love the asom martins. It due to pride and because you will want to like something more that is from your country.

Um, many Fords are built in Europe. Many Japanese cars are built in North America. Many European cars are built in Japan. Does that say anything about being prooud to have something built locally?

Ferraris are pieces of art work with a lovely tune and interior with a beautiful buying process and choices of any colour and interior needs.

wtf? You're saying Ferrari's have a "lovely tune", and "interoir with a beautiful buying process"? wtf does that mean? You go in to a little old lady's home, sip tea, discuss it with her and go through a nice fuzzy catologue and pick parts? Hell no, with a Ferrari you're lucky if you get working windsheild wipers. Same with Lotus.

The 300c is nothing special and neither is the magnum. They are average for a performance oreintated version of their kind. The thing that lets them down from european contenders is handling and looks.Oh and fuel effiencency. The average european car is expected to do atleast 40mpg.

Average European car expected to do 40mpg? Dude, the tercel/echo barely does 40mpg, and those things weigh next to nothing. If you've actually LOOKED at the mileage of a European car (11mpg, what European car does that, huh?) then you would know they don't average 40mpg. Far from it in fact. Try 18-30 if you're lucky.

The neon is bland in looks and not all that to drive comparing to other hot hatches. And we do get neons in the UK. Give me a civic type-r over that anyday. A focus RS will see it off anyday aswell.

Since neons are really hatchbacks...

Obviously you haven't driven the Neon SRT-4.

that VW is olddddddddd.
And if your invested in gm their stocks are falling.

They may be falling at the moment, but stocks change every minute- GM is the 3rd largest automotive company in the world you know.

a 10.000 aveo will last as long as you drive it sensibly and take good care of it.Look at all the third world countries with their japanese cars that are decades on end old but still run on the dusty dirt tracks and dont get much attention but still run over ridden and overworked. They are supremely reliable and will have cost less than $10.000.

Exactly- Japanese cars. Those things are built to last forever. Not to mention they've gotten them second-hand after being driven in a clean dust free city. That's why they're so old. Duh.

A ferrari will run rings around the corvette.And also any idiot can have a corvette but not anyone can have the thrill of having a beatifully crafted ferrari which is ever so lovely.

Oh so lovely? Are you familiar with the ungodly Scaglietti? Dude, Ferrari's suck because Fiats suck. A Ferrari may be quick, quick, not blindingly fast (Testarossa: $200,000.00; 0-60: 5.1s / Impreza WRX STi: $32,000.00; 0-60: 4.6s), but yes it does handle well. A corvette however is built solely for speed and handling which is why it's so cheap. It has obscene amounts of horsepower and torque simply because GM doesn't want to have $30,000 body panels. One is just as beautiful as the other, Mr. I-refuse-statistics.

Look around you at the rest of the nations and they are all laughing at your beloved corner. 'Oh we best slow down now in this corvette to 30mph.We are approching a corner' - Most car magazines on the corvette.

While I hate American cars, it's the drivers who refuse to push the limits of them. Guess what? The Saleen S7 rocks, and has tons of grip, and so does the Viper GTS-R.

ahahahha magnum and 300c ahahahha they are ugly and pooooo.The SRT is ok if not a bit bland after a while.

So you've gone from picking on GM/Chevrolet to picking on Dodge/Chrysler Corp. I see. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

The volkswagen wasnt a pick up truck.

It's not a car, either. It's a company started by Hitler.

Firstly some european cars used to be unrealiable but now in this day and age you cannot fault many cars except for the of likes of alfa romeo.

Many European cars are still unreliable. I'm not just referring to the engines you know.

All german cars are reliable.

Ptove it.

All scandinavian cars are reliable.

Prove it.

Most british cars are reliable.

Mm..not really. Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls-Royce, and Bentley have all been notoriously unreliable.

Most french cars are reliable.

LMAO.

Secondly what has ford owning aston martin jaguar etc got to do with what I was saying.

You said they were European, but they're owned by an American company and now share American parts.

Thirdly ferrari dont suck. I dislike ferrari but you have to give them their dues as they are good at what they do.

And what do they do? Sell extremely overpriced pieces of crap that don't work and cost more than another vehicle to repair.

Fourthly I also didnt say that american marketing was wrong or had a problem. They are doing a great job selling mediocre cars.

Apparently not, because as stated earlier, you say GM's stocks are falling.

Fifthly a car manufacturer should make any car theyre heart desires and not by what nationality they originate from. And by the way europeans make every type of car great. From econ boxes to hyper cars they make everything.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. All of it. In fact, I'm so bewildered, I can't even organize my sentences from ration thought anymore. That's how frustrated you've made me. I want to kick a puppy now.

Sixthly obviously america has the biggest roads but british/french/german/belgique/dutch roads are just a little smaller with japan having similiar size roads. The roads are big enough for tankers/lorrys/trucks so I dont think car manufactures take road size into much thought when designing their cars.

Have you driven on the roads in London? They're VERY cramped, traffic is everywhere, and the ally's are not very wide at all. Especially in Italy and Spain etc.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Acutally, Greg, GM is the 7th largest in terms of market capitalization. Anyway, I agree with everything else you said. I would like to continue your rant, because whoever you were quoting obviously knows little about American cars, but I do have a ton of work to do.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Greg, also, understand that the IMPERIAL GALLON IS DIFFERENT THAN THE US GALLON. That could account for the difference in gas mileage that Double_R was talking about.

 

[JNasty4G63]

If you were going to compare a better model of the 911 then you should compare it to the Z06.

You missed my point. I'm not saying that the Vette wasn't a good match for the Standard 911. It is a great match. But, when you talk about performance, you have to just know that a car with a 75hp advantage is going to be faster. If you bump it up to the Carrera S and a Z06, the outcome is still the same. Now you're talking 355hp against 500hp. Its a losing proposition either way if all you want is speed. My point isn't just the speed. Its about the car as a whole. The new Z06 is getting better, but its also nearly $70k, so its not real cheap.

Why would I read other magazines, I get Car and Driver, AutoWeek, Moto Trend, and Road & Track. I don't think they are all that biased because I've seen harsh reviews on American cars and great reviews on Japanese ones.

Well, I read everything, not just a few magazines. What good is reading about something if all you get is one side of the story???? I read everything I can get my hands on so that I have more info to go on, not just a few opinions.

And, think back to the last time you ever read one of those magazines and they knocked a car maker's BIG car. You never see them bag on the 3-series, the Vette, the 300C, the Accord, the Mustang, or anything like that. WHY?? Because if you talk about the big stuff and get people thinking that they aren't the "GREAT" car that they want you to think they are, you have trouble. Like I said, its just politics. Try reading CAR sometime and see what they say about the Vette or Mustang.

I personally hate the Mini Cooper, why would I want that small of a car. Sure it may be fun as hell to drive but I won't get one. A Turboed PT was fun to drive, would I want one? No.

Again, you missed my point. I don't own, nor do I want to own, a Cooper S. My fiance does. My point was that if you just looked at it from a numbers perspective, its not that appealing of a car. But once you get behind the wheel, and take it all in, its an amazing car. The sense of speed, the handling, the interior space, the feel inside. All of it is great. But, at a passing glance you wouldn't notice it. My point was that most Americans would look at it and see it as a "170hp small hatchback" that makes no sense.

Also I don't buy cars baised on numbers, if I did I wouldn't drive a Blazer. I buy them on looks and function. My truck can haul things and it looks really good. It serves a point.

And yet, almost all of your arguements has been about numbers. You talk about how the Vette can keep up with the Carrera. And, how Ferrari's suck because of the "stats". And, how a Neon isn't bland because it has so much horsepower. So far, just about every arguement has been numerically based. Numbers do serve a purpose, sure. But, when its all that anyone talks about, its makes no sense.

Hilg

 

[JNasty4G63]

BLAH BLAH BLAH........too much to quote, so I'll just leave it at that.

You are almost as bad as him. Whats you're point??? You speak so violently about Ferrari, you'd think they beat up your grandma or something. I don't own, nor do I have close friends who own, a Ferrari. But, I've driven various models on many occasions. And, never once has any of them been anything but a fine piece of automotive art. EVERYTHING worked, contrarry to what you say.

Yes, they are expensive. But, to the people that they are marketed for, its no big deal. Again, if all you want is a numbers car, get a Vette or WRX or whatever you like. Tune it up to 800hp or whatever and just love the fact that its WAAAAY faster than a Ferrari. To the people that own a Ferrari, the car isn't about the numbers.

You two are getting all riled up about opinions. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie "High Fidelity" but there is a great quote in it........

"How can it be bull**** to state an opinion????"

You like RED, he likes BLUE. You say PO-TAY-TOE, he says PO-TAH-TOH. WHO CARES!!!!! You guys sound like little girls. Sure, I have opinions about things. But, I've never said anyone is an idiot for having one of their own. Think about it. He thinks certain cars are unreliable, you say they aren't. He says some cars get good mileage, you say they don't. Those are all opinions. If I told you that my car got GREAT mileage by getting 10mpg, what would you say??? You'd probably call me an idiot. But, its just my opinion as to what constitutes "GOOD" mileage.

Hilg

 

[Max_DC]

Well you all said a lot here, just a few things :

The Mini Cooper S is really a bad car... really... I've driven one, and as my father also owns a Civic Type R... believe me : the difference is HUGE... it's expensive, slow on the road as well as on the track... the Corvette is not a bad car... german car magazines like it... the concept of a M3 or a 911 is totally different so you can'r compare them...
Take a stock STi, Evo or a 350 Z, about 42000 & each, tune it until you get the price of a stock 911... who is faster? The japanese cars... Take a stock 911 tune it until you reach the price of a ferrari... who wins? 👍 ...exactly... take a stock corvette and tune....

By the way, I know a lot of people who study and want to become automotive engineers and their teachers say that in general japanese engine develomement is 10 years in front of euopean, and german one ... with some exceptions like the new M5...

just wanted to add all this...

 

[Double_R]

Um, many Fords are built in Europe. Many Japanese cars are built in North America. Many European cars are built in Japan. Does that say anything about being prooud to have something built locally?


wtf? You're saying Ferrari's have a "lovely tune", and "interoir with a beautiful buying process"? wtf does that mean? You go in to a little old lady's home, sip tea, discuss it with her and go through a nice fuzzy catologue and pick parts? Hell no, with a Ferrari you're lucky if you get working windsheild wipers. Same with Lotus.



Average European car expected to do 40mpg? Dude, the tercel/echo barely does 40mpg, and those things weigh next to nothing. If you've actually LOOKED at the mileage of a European car (11mpg, what European car does that, huh?) then you would know they don't average 40mpg. Far from it in fact. Try 18-30 if you're lucky.



Since neons are really hatchbacks...

Obviously you haven't driven the Neon SRT-4.




They may be falling at the moment, but stocks change every minute- GM is the 3rd largest automotive company in the world you know.



Exactly- Japanese cars. Those things are built to last forever. Not to mention they've gotten them second-hand after being driven in a clean dust free city. That's why they're so old. Duh.


Oh so lovely? Are you familiar with the ungodly Scaglietti? Dude, Ferrari's suck because Fiats suck. A Ferrari may be quick, quick, not blindingly fast (Testarossa: $200,000.00; 0-60: 5.1s / Impreza WRX STi: $32,000.00; 0-60: 4.6s), but yes it does handle well. A corvette however is built solely for speed and handling which is why it's so cheap. It has obscene amounts of horsepower and torque simply because GM doesn't want to have $30,000 body panels. One is just as beautiful as the other, Mr. I-refuse-statistics.



While I hate American cars, it's the drivers who refuse to push the limits of them. Guess what? The Saleen S7 rocks, and has tons of grip, and so does the Viper GTS-R.



So you've gone from picking on GM/Chevrolet to picking on Dodge/Chrysler Corp. I see. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



It's not a car, either. It's a company started by Hitler.




Many European cars are still unreliable. I'm not just referring to the engines you know.


Ptove it.


Prove it.


Mm..not really. Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rolls-Royce, and Bentley have all been notoriously unreliable.


LMAO.




You said they were European, but they're owned by an American company and now share American parts.


And what do they do? Sell extremely overpriced pieces of crap that don't work and cost more than another vehicle to repair.



Apparently not, because as stated earlier, you say GM's stocks are falling.



That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. All of it. In fact, I'm so bewildered, I can't even organize my sentences from ration thought anymore. That's how frustrated you've made me. I want to kick a puppy now.



Have you driven on the roads in London? They're VERY cramped, traffic is everywhere, and the ally's are not very wide at all. Especially in Italy and Spain etc.

1. I dont care where the car is assembled. Pride as nothing to do with me where my car gets assembled.

2. Ferraris dont exactly fall apart and neither do lotuses. Im talking modern day but your just bringing up stuff from ages ago when they used to be unreliable. And actually when you buy expensive cars like rolls royces and ferraris you get to watch your car get built if you want and you get to choose from a very wide range of colours for your interior/exterior. Any by a lovely tune I mean that ferraris make a beatiful sound when being driven. I could get a toyota mr2 stick on a aftermarket exhaust and it would sound simial to a corvette. When ferraris are pushed they scream.Vettes just grumble and burble and spew up some oil here and there. (ok maybe not that bad). But ferraris are expensive as if every tom dick and harry could afford one they would soon lose their appeal and sparkle if they became a common sight. And they cost more to fix than other cars because ferrari know that the people who buy them are rich and can afford it otherwise they wouldnt have a ferrari in the first place.

3. Plenty of european cars do 40mpg. Audi a3 1.6 fsi does around that figure and most diesels will do 50 mpg and more.

4. What looks nicer a neon or type-r.Thank you.

5. GM are also the 3rd crappest car manufactur in the world aswell.

6. No u duh. In africa they get these old cars and then are driven to death for 30+ years with no maintenance.No other car in the world would be able to take that kind of abuse other than the japanese.

7.Scagletti on not to good ferrari. Is it me or are you always comapring new cars to old cars. The testarossa is olddddddddddd. The vettes engine isnt all that great a 4 something liter v8 pushing out 400 or so horses is not that impressive. It just a cheap way of making an engine. The corvette isnt exactly going to win any beauty awards.

8. They are doing a good job because if they tried selling their cars only in europe they would have been out of buisness by now thats how bad their cars are in comparison.

9.You want to kick a puppy maybe I should kick you.

10. I live in london so yes.And yes there is loads of traffic but thats the same in NYC. And roads are big enought to accomodate trucks and tankers and military vechiles so I dont think any car should have any trouble.

11. Only in america have you got people where they actually drive down alleys.

 

[Joey D]

You missed my point. I'm not saying that the Vette wasn't a good match for the Standard 911. It is a great match. But, when you talk about performance, you have to just know that a car with a 75hp advantage is going to be faster. If you bump it up to the Carrera S and a Z06, the outcome is still the same. Now you're talking 355hp against 500hp. Its a losing proposition either way if all you want is speed. My point isn't just the speed. Its about the car as a whole. The new Z06 is getting better, but its also nearly $70k, so its not real cheap.

No I got your point, you wanted to put a performance model against a stock one.

Well, I read everything, not just a few magazines. What good is reading about something if all you get is one side of the story???? I read everything I can get my hands on so that I have more info to go on, not just a few opinions.

And, think back to the last time you ever read one of those magazines and they knocked a car maker's BIG car. You never see them bag on the 3-series, the Vette, the 300C, the Accord, the Mustang, or anything like that. WHY?? Because if you talk about the big stuff and get people thinking that they aren't the "GREAT" car that they want you to think they are, you have trouble. Like I said, its just politics. Try reading CAR sometime and see what they say about the Vette or Mustang.

Well they all knocked the Aveo pretty good since it well...sucked. Also the magazines have knocked the Impala, Bonneville, Grand Prix, the G6, the Malibu, and the list ca go one and thats just and driver.

gain, you missed my point. I don't own, nor do I want to own, a Cooper S. My fiance does. My point was that if you just looked at it from a numbers perspective, its not that appealing of a car. But once you get behind the wheel, and take it all in, its an amazing car. The sense of speed, the handling, the interior space, the feel inside. All of it is great. But, at a passing glance you wouldn't notice it. My point was that most Americans would look at it and see it as a "170hp small hatchback" that makes no sense.

No I didn't miss your point, I don't think the Mini is all that great of a car nor is is fun to drive.

And yet, almost all of your arguements has been about numbers. You talk about how the Vette can keep up with the Carrera. And, how Ferrari's suck because of the "stats". And, how a Neon isn't bland because it has so much horsepower. So far, just about every arguement has been numerically based. Numbers do serve a purpose, sure. But, when its all that anyone talks about, its makes no sense.

Well at least I'm not relying on opinion, I at least use facts not emotions and happy feelings.

 

[Joey D]

1. I dont care where the car is assembled. Pride as nothing to do with me where my car gets assembled.

What? The same goes for number two.

3. Plenty of european cars do 40mpg. Audi a3 1.6 fsi does around that figure and most diesels will do 50 mpg and more.

Most don't though.

4. What looks nicer a neon or type-r.Thank you.

The SRT-4...Your Welcome

5. GM are also the 3rd crappest car manufactur in the world aswell.

Uh no your wrong.

 

[Double_R]

Well you all said a lot here, just a few things :

The Mini Cooper S is really a bad car... really... I've driven one, and as my father also owns a Civic Type R... believe me : the difference is HUGE... it's expensive, slow on the road as well as on the track... the Corvette is not a bad car... german car magazines like it... the concept of a M3 or a 911 is totally different so you can'r compare them...
Take a stock STi, Evo or a 350 Z, about 42000 & each, tune it until you get the price of a stock 911... who is faster? The japanese cars... Take a stock 911 tune it until you reach the price of a ferrari... who wins? 👍 ...exactly... take a stock corvette and tune....

By the way, I know a lot of people who study and want to become automotive engineers and their teachers say that in general japanese engine develomement is 10 years in front of euopean, and german one ... with some exceptions like the new M5...

just wanted to add all this...

No argu,ment about japanese being the most advanced with their engines.

 

[Double_R]

I personally hate the Mini Cooper, why would I want that small of a car. Sure it may be fun as hell to drive but I won't get one. A Turboed PT was fun to drive, would I want one? No.

Why wouldnt you want a small car. Your just about the perfect size for one. Or is it because it doesnt pollute the earth as much as a great big stonking 5.6 liter v8

 

[Joey D]

Because if I get accident I'm not going to die a horrific death. Plus I don't have 5.6L V8, I don't think I've even heard of one. I have a 262cu in. V6 engine code LU3.

 

[Double_R]

Well I know which one of these cars I would want and it sure isnt the neon.
And no that is a normal celica and not a ricer just having it kitted it.

 

[Double_R]

Because if I get accident I'm not going to die a horrific death. Plus I don't have 5.6L V8, I don't think I've even heard of one. I have a 262cu in. V6 engine code LU3.

Ahhhhh. Now i see you like big guys due to insecurity.Well maybe if they didnt have great big cars on the road you wouldnt have to worry about getting crushed like a pancake.

Wouldnt you fell bad because your truck plowed into a little 1 ton car at 30 mph and cruching the peoiple inside just because your car is so much bigger.

 

[Joey D]

I don't like the Mini or the Civic. The Neon is sweet and so is the Seat and the VW GTI. I hate French cars, so the Peugot is out, that Celica is rice, and I don't like the tega. I would have to take the SRT-4 or the GTI but it would be a close call.

Actually my truck is the size of a Toyota Camary, but it's not made of plastic. So when I'm in an accident I fair pretty well. And if the accident was my fault I would feel bad, but if someone hit me and killed themselves it wouldn't phase me.

 

[Race Idiot]

Wouldnt you fell bad because your truck plowed into a little 1 ton car at 30 mph and cruching the peoiple inside just because your car is so much bigger.

That's why you don't drive a small car in America, it's like against the law.

I hate French people.

Edited for clarity.

 

[Double_R]

I don't like the Mini or the Civic. The Neon is sweet and so is the Seat and the VW GTI. I hate French cars, so the Peugot is out, that Celica is rice, and I don't like the tega. I would have to take the SRT-4 or the GTI but it would be a close call.

Actually my truck is the size of a Toyota Camary, but it's not made of plastic. So when I'm in an accident I fair pretty well. And if the accident was my fault I would feel bad, but if someone hit me and killed themselves it wouldn't phase me.

So it wouldnt phase you if a single mum and a 6 month old child in a corsa lost control in wet conditions and hit into you but died only because your car was so much heaveier.

 

[Joey D]

Yup I hate French people and their cars.

No I wouldn't feel bad because she was driving way to fast for the conditions. And my truck weighs 3200 pounds with 101 inch wheel base, thats not that heavy.

 

[Double_R]

I don't like the Mini or the Civic. The Neon is sweet and so is the Seat and the VW GTI. I hate French cars, so the Peugot is out, that Celica is rice, and I don't like the tega. I would have to take the SRT-4 or the GTI but it would be a close call.

Actually my truck is the size of a Toyota Camary, but it's not made of plastic. So when I'm in an accident I fair pretty well. And if the accident was my fault I would feel bad, but if someone hit me and killed themselves it wouldn't phase me.

Ok you may not like some of those cars but most of them would run a srt-4 off the track.And that celica is a trd m spec version with 215hp. So no its not rice.

 

[Double_R]

Yup I hate French people and their cars.

No I wouldn't feel bad because she was driving way to fast for the conditions. And my truck weighs 3200 pounds with 101 inch wheel base, thats not that heavy.

That is heavy to a 1 ton corsa.Its like pitting you against mike tyson.Hes over twice your size and if you were to run into him it wouldnt hurt him but for you it would be like running into a brick wall.Thats how it is with a small vechile compared to trucks SUVs.

 

[Max_DC]

I had a hard time finding this thread again... Well finally I found the EU vs US vs JP cars discussion on pages 5 + of this Evo IX thread... everybody likes different cars and that is not always based on facts... there are also emotions, patriotism, personal preferences etc... Personally I don't think this discussion will lead anywhere and I think the Evo deserves getting his thread back ... I mean honestly BlazinXtreme won't drive a japanese or euro car in near future and you also won't see Double_R driving happily in his new Neon....