Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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I must say I'm loving the thread this morning, lot's to catch up on over my cup of tea lol.
I will add this, none of the negative posts will be putting me off when I place my order. I'm sorry for those that have had problem's in the past or recently, but as Superbike has already put so well, these things will happen. And Fanatec have been and are willing to help everyone that experiences problems. And people 3% is a very very small amount of problems.

The sky is falling in! Made me laugh lol
 
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To me 3% sounds ok. As Thomas and others said the internet helps spread things really quickly etc.

And he wasn't calling anyone a troll... He was saying trolls are succesful on the internet in general.
 
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amf7
And he wasn't calling anyone a troll... He was saying trolls are succesful on the internet in general.
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It's in black and white man, what he was implying/referring too.

Attention to detail Adam. Stand you in good stead for your reviewing skills.

Have a nice day. 8^)
 
I already thoroughly discredited every single "point" you were trying to make. The fact that you still persist leads me to believe you may be impaired from alcohol or drugs at this moment.
 
Yup, you have fully confirmed now that you have no valid points left.

So I win, thanks for playing. Next time wear your big-boy pants and bring your A-game and you might be able to get somewhere near my level.

Have a good day.
 
Spagethi69

Why in hell should I call you a troll? I cannot remember one single trolling post of you. There are a few guys who bash us and troll whenever they can but you are most definitely not considered to be one of them.

I was off topic and made a little excursus about the genetic reasons why negative things get more attion than positives. Just watch the news and you know what I mean.
The news corporations are selling the stories that people want to hear. War, murder, terrorism, etc. etc. followed by the weather which is sometimes even worse.

People love drama and always look at the negative things and exaggerate them.

Your reaction has been a proof of my statements somehow and this whole drama here as well.

Let's get back and :) for the rest of the day
 
I L O V E my CSW :D :D :D Precision & feedback of the top shelf wheels for 200% less in cost. Can't beat that imho..... :cool:

Better?
 
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superbike81
Most of the issues are "no big deal" in the grand scheme of things.

The paddle shifter broke? Ok, Fanatec will send out a new wheel (or a new shifter mechanism) and you'll be back up and running in no time.

It would be a big deal if Fanatec was denying that problems existed and refusing to offer replacements/repairs.

This stuff would be a big deal if it was happening to the majority of the people who bought it, but it's not. This has happened with every electronics product launch in history I think. When I bought one of the first 1080p projectors on the market meant for home use, it failed completely with in a week, was I upset? Yeah, it was $7000. Did I start ranting on the internet and fabricate rumors of quality control issues? No. Were there a few other people out there having issues? Yeah, and some over reacted just like you are on here. But in the end, everyone either got their money back or got their problems fixed. I was on a waiting list since late 2001 in the US for the very first Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution coming to our shores. Three months after I bought it, it required about $5000 worth of driveline repairs (nothing I did to cause it) and it was in the shop for a month while they repaired and researched it. Did I go crying on the internet about how Mitsubishi is a terrible company and their quality control is horrible? Nope.

You "sky is falling" type of people will always be around, because so many people want to be a martyr, they want to have problems so they can get sympathy from other people. But in the world of electronics, you have to accept the fact that there is going to be a certain failure rate. Hopefully you won't be unlucky enough to experience this problem, most of us won't with any given product, but some will. It's your job to keep a cool head about it and know that your problem will be fixed. Or you can pass up what is an amazing product because a handful of people had issues compared to the hundreds who aren't having issues.

Up to you. I won't let a great thing go because of irrational fear.
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I would say to let them go have their hate session. It is fine to have a negative viewpoint, but to have a visceral reaction to someone enjoying the CSW is completely silly. In the meantime we will enjoy our CSW and touch wood we do not have any major hardware issues! (I noticed in iRacing that the LEDs now work with the latest build! very nice!!)
:)

please have a good weekend.
 
Hugs and Kisses Thomas.

Thanks for sticking your neck out.

Your Post started off well IMHO.
I just felt the Troll comment was a bit off.

If my employer held a mass meeting and as a side comment mentioned redundancy's at another firm you can bet the majority of the men would worry about there own jobs.

Perhaps not a great comparison but I can't think of a better one.

There are members who have been here awhile who get jumped on for any negative views towards you and your company from some sections of this great forum.
Even though it's their money and experience that lead them to that conclusion.

Also there's company's that scour the web to spread viral miss information too. I respect that.

If I misunderstood you then accept my appologys.

To others who think its great to attack with personal digs........kiss my arse.
 
mykem
The G25 hardly exemplifies the best of gear driven wheel. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the benefit of direct-drive/gear-drive. Take for example what most people consider the best FF motor available today- Leo Bodnar's use of Servo Motor for FF setup:

And inside a servo motor:

Once you combine a high precision motor with higher than average output and combine that with more the adequate power supply, the result usually exceeds the best belt driven system.

Even Thomas seems to agree by his comment on VirtualR.net:

"Looks like it is time for us to start develop a direct drive base which is compatible to all ClubSport rims so that people can upgrade the base. Making something better, if people are willing to spend the money, is not that difficult. Making high qulity affordable was a much bigger challenge."
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Yes, using a 2000$ motor helps a lot to build a fast, precise and powerful wheel. But how many of us are ready to spend 3000$ for a wheel ?

My CSR Elite is three platform compatible, fast, strong and precise. It is really nice to see the internals, it is also very very quiet compared to my old G25.

So if you compare how many it costs / features, it is hard to do better.
 
If that is true and Thomas plans to introduce a comparative item to Leo Bodners servo wheel, I am curious to see how he could get the price lower. That motor looks sweet!
 
Fanatec...
History tells me that you are using any chance to talk bad about us so your opinion might not be very objective.
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I am still waiting for you proving this statement. But as it can be observed here and in several other communities, you are often as specific with your statements as our lovely German chancellor. :ouch:

The next move I am awaiting from you is that you call me out as an employee from one of your competitors. :crazy:

But seriously, if you read carefully you observe that I criticise Fanatec. But also I often try to cool down the people if a discussion is becoming heatet or onesided. I only share personal experience and facts. In any other thread I praise or criticise what ever I deem to be right. If someone say that he made only the best experience with Fanatec, I won't criticise him. But if someone makes generalisations (e.g. "if you follow Fanatec's guideline, you will always get premium customer support" which implements that all people who made negative experience did not follow the guideline, which is not true!) then I step in with a comment.

If someone asks for advice based on personal experience, then I share it regardless if we are talking about wheels, games or whatever. It is more than obvious that I am not a Fanatec fanboy. But as I said before, I try to be as objective as I can.

That all of us in this community do not always agree is more than normal (see the discussion of purchasing the first batch of a new product some days ago in this forum). Different opinions are fine with me. I think I have not tried to convince everyone else, that I have found the one and only truth. However it was never my intention to do so.

I also give my comment, if someone is going to compare apples and oranges. And if people don't care about my comment, I do not post again and again until I get some attention. I don't like comparisons, where important details are becoming ignored. And when comparing for example wheels, the price is a important factor.

Time is to valuable to waste more of it on this rubbish. I don't need to justify, but nevertheless did so. There are more interesting topics here and elsewhere.

Have a nice day.
 
lemansfanatic
If that is true and Thomas plans to introduce a comparative item to Leo Bodners servo wheel, I am curious to see how he could get the price lower. That motor looks sweet!
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There is always space for improvement but at the moment we try to make good Porsches and not trying to build a Königsegg.

In terms of performance on the racetrack they are close but in terms of pricing they are not.

And the possibility to have buttons on the wheel is a nice feature our customers would not want to miss ;)
 
Anthony

there will be more rims next year and a NASCAR rim is very high on our priority list. But I cannot give any timeline. We will announce new wheel rims as soon as they are in stock.

Have a nice Weekend.
Thomas
 
Wow, I needed two bags if popcorn for this thread. People need to take a step back, a deep breath and woosah.

It would be really interesting to go back in time to the logitech dfp and G25 launches and see how many defects and complaints they had. Thrustmaster as well. People seem to have short memories. All products have problem in launch. What separates the good companies from the bad is how they handle this.

Also, Thomas, the "lightweight" rim should be like the GT rim but with only two buttons and no paddle shifters. In other words like the G25 rim just bigger and better. To off set the lack of paddles release it after the stationary paddle shifter attachment and or the CSS. Then people can deal with the lack of buttons with a button box. This should also be the cheapest rim. If you could get it close to $100 I think you would greatly reduce the barrier to entry for the CSW ($450+~$100+$80).
 
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mykem
The G25 hardly exemplifies the best of gear driven wheel. So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the benefit of direct-drive/gear-drive. Take for example what most people consider the best FF motor available today- Leo Bodnar's use of Servo Motor for FF setup:

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And inside a servo motor:

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Once you combine a high precision motor with higher than average output and combine that with more the adequate power supply, the result usually exceeds the best belt driven system.

Even Thomas seems to agree by his comment on VirtualR.net:

"Looks like it is time for us to start develop a direct drive base which is compatible to all ClubSport rims so that people can upgrade the base. Making something better, if people are willing to spend the money, is not that difficult. Making high qulity affordable was a much bigger challenge."
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I would never dismiss gear drives at all :) I merely meant for the current available offerings, I happen to like what the belt system is offering me compared to my G25, which I guess now may be considered a budget wheel.

I know all about servo motors and all types of motors based on the industry I'm in. Like Thomas mentioned...how much are people willing to spend? If the belt system kept his objective in keeping the price point reasonable then YAY :)

I wonder when we'll see "brushless motors" used in wheel bases instead of the antiquated Mabuchi motors? More torque, cooler running, longer life span and better efficiency :) These motors and the electronics required to run them are more expensive as I've mentioned in posts pages ago.

I can't wait to see what develops from the sim wheel industry for sure :)
 
Hey superbike81,

Don't lose it man. I can appreciate everything you've posted so far. Some folks are a little more dense than others and then some are just young and think they deserve the world on a silver platter. They are destined for disappointment. For those upset about the failure rate, you should do some ACTUAL research and see what other companies are calling acceptable. You see that word bolded there? That means these businesses live in the real world and know nothing is 100% perfect. If you were one of the unfortunate ones to receive a defective item, do the mature thing and inform them to get it resolved. Complaining on the internet only makes you look like a kid. Unless you played a part in Thomas' conception or are part owner he owes you know explanation about his business practices behind closed doors. What is he going to accomplish posting his detailed plan of fixing things? Are you guys going to hold his hand through it all? Maybe follow him around? Useless waste of energy. Take a midol and have a seat. If you feel this post was directed at you, it probably was and you should chill out take a look at "the bigger picture". The world doesn't revolve around you! That goes for everybody! If you really believe everything should be perfect right out of the box, never buy software again or canned foods(they have an acceptable rat fecal matter rate). That's right kids.

Sigh...
 
FMW, that Leo Bodnar project looks quite interesting and I've been dying to here real details about the experience of using that wheel. Leo has written at length about the problems of force feedback delivery in general, so it's nice to see him developing his own system. And you're right on the money regarding brushless motors. I'd love to see a wheel powered by those. This all sort of reminds me of that racer's adage: Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?
 
12thgear
FMW, that Leo Bodnar project looks quite interesting and I've been dying to here real details about the experience of using that wheel. Leo has written at length about the problems of force feedback delivery in general, so it's nice to see him developing his own system. And you're right on the money regarding brushless motors. I'd love to see a wheel powered by those. This all sort of reminds me of that racer's adage: Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?
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Indeed it does cost money :) R/C car racing has gotten to be more expensive because of it, but it's so much better and fun :sly: I will be the first in line for a "brushless motor" base/wheel product. 💡

I'll have to check out his writings. Curious to see what he has to say...
 
K_Soze
Yes, using a 2000$ motor helps a lot to build a fast, precise and powerful wheel. But how many of us are ready to spend 3000$ for a wheel ?

My CSR Elite is three platform compatible, fast, strong and precise. It is really nice to see the internals, it is also very very quiet compared to my old G25.

So if you compare how many it costs / features, it is hard to do better.
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But is it as quiet as this:

http://www.leobodnar.com/Leo-FFB-3.mp4

Sure it's not for everyone but if you can afford it and don't mind a bit of DIY in order, for example, to add buttons to the wheel, I believe it can be a more cost-effective way of reaching nirvana :) Of course, you need to resort to saving money rather than continuous upgrading.

FMW
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I wonder when we'll see "brushless motors" used in wheel bases instead of the antiquated Mabuchi motors? More torque, cooler running, longer life span and better efficiency :) These motors and the electronics required to run them are more expensive as I've mentioned in posts pages ago.

I can't wait to see what develops from the sim wheel industry for sure :)
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Though it's not "brushless", I believe Frex has begun using Coreless Motor for its Simwheel (and upgradable to current Simwheel). In losing the core makes the rotor much lighter, making it quite an efficient motor. It's also non-cogging.
 
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FMW
I wonder when we'll see "brushless motors" used in wheel bases instead of the antiquated Mabuchi motors? More torque, cooler running, longer life span and better efficiency :) These motors and the electronics required to run them are more expensive as I've mentioned in posts pages ago.
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To translate "brushless motor" to common language, it is a permanent magnet AC motor. It uses frequency converter to control speed and angle of the motor opposed to rectifier combined with DC/C converter driving a DC motor.
 
mykem
But is it as quiet as this:

http://www.leobodnar.com/Leo-FFB-3.mp4

Sure it's not for everyone but if you can afford it and don't mind a bit of DIY in order, for example, to add buttons to the wheel, I believe it can be a more cost-effective way of reaching nirvana :) Of course, you need to resort to saving money rather than continuous upgrading.



Though it's not "brushless", I believe Frex has begun using Coreless Motor for its Simwheel (and upgradable to current Simwheel). In losing the core makes the rotor much lighter, making it quite an efficient motor. It's also non-cogging.
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I have tried a Cruden yesterday, nice rig, but I was not blasted by the wheel, my CSR Elite gives me as many informations as the big servo motor, which is smoother (but should I say I like my Elite more than the professionnal simulator ?).
 
K_Soze
I have tried a Cruden yesterday, nice rig, but I was not blasted by the wheel, my CSR Elite gives me as many informations as the big servo motor, which is smoother (but should I say I like my Elite more than the professionnal simulator ?).
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