Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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LogiForce
Does that even use G27 emulation? I doubt it as it has no rev lights, nor do any models apart from the CSW.
Unfortunately no changelog is provided and I only test CSW stuff and thus don't know anything in relation to other wheels. The only way you could check what it emulates with the different firmware is by going into PS3 mode and see how Windows picks up the wheel, it should say specifically G25 or G27.
Or maybe another way. Change one button (like X or something) for only the G27 to the Horn. Go into a race and see if you can honk your horn. If yes, a G27 is emulated but when the answer is no you emulate a G25. ;)


I thought you had a CSW though?
But even so I find it odd that you just get a center spring. Even I get curb feel and at least weight transfer feel, but there is also dealignment and a fluctuating constant force to simulate grip levels.
To it sounds like something goes wrong somewhere. Especially the lack of curb rumble is odd. I know you do know how to flash as you also were a tester for the CSW. So it can't be that you forgot to reset the tuning menu profiles after a flash or something silly like that.
My only guess is that with both firmwares it emulates a G27 or something is set wrong somewhere, else I don't know what it is.
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nope, seems to emulate the G25.. Of course the wheel is configured well ;) When I plug it into my pc and run Assetto, I feel every curb detail and so on.. In GT6 only center spring with a little bit of weight transfer, yes.. but no curb feeling at all. Just tried a rally race where you should feel the road.. NOTHING!
Dont know what to do.. wheel cant be broken because on pc it works fine.. seems to be a very bad ffb emulation for G25 and therefore for fanatec users.. :/

And yes, I also have CSW for pc racing.. GT3 RS v2 is only for console gaming ;)
 
Why not just hook up the CSW to see how it works in GT6?
I don't want to sound rude, but why wouldn't you want to use it on the Playstation?
 
Carson79
Why not just hook up the CSW to see how it works in GT6?
I don't want to sound rude, but why wouldn't you want to use it on the Playstation?
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Because the csw is actually broken... Tomorrow I will get the requested items to repair it (new main cable), then I think I will hook it up first to the ps3..
And I dont use the csw on the ps3 because I hooked up the ps3 to my 47 tv instead of my triple screen setup where only one single 22 monitor would run the ps3.. And the tv is 3 meters away from my racing rig and I dont wanna unscrew it every time I wanna play here and there...
 
Strange. All Fanatec wheels used the same PS3 mode code to emulate the G25. So the only reason why I do feel rumble and you guys don't is the difference in wheel diameter.
As I learned from my experiment of going from the T500's 300mm GT rim to a real 350mm rim, the rumbles and other road noises become more pronounced with a bigger wheel. This due to the bigger leverage, as this also increases the length of travel at the outer diameter of the wheel. So a small movement initially becomes a bigger movement the bigger the wheel gets.

As for comparison on kerb strength in AC.

Gain: 100
Filter: 0
Damping: 0
Kerb: 100
Road: 80
Slip: 20

Those are my settings for both the CSW and T500.



@Raitziger I think any firmware for any wheel up to the Fanatec CSR (so those who use the same base) are all still on G25 emulation no matter the firmware. So if you feel its lacking now, changing the firmware won't change anything.
 
LogiForce
As for comparison on kerb strength in AC.

Gain: 100
Filter: 0
Damping: 0
Kerb: 100
Road: 80
Slip: 20

Those are my settings for both the CSW and T500.
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wow, you must get a lot of clipping with gain @ 100 :embarrassed: I can't go more than Gain 55 with the CSW without having extreme clipping in turns...
 
Simracer92
wow, you must get a lot of clipping with gain @ 100 :embarrassed: I can't go more than Gain 55 with the CSW without having extreme clipping in turns...
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Barely played AC with the CSW as of yet, busy with other stuff while having my rig rigged up with Thrustmaster gear. So didn't play with the settings yet. So any recommends are welcome. ;)
 
LogiForce
So the only reason why I do feel rumble and you guys don't is the difference in wheel diameter.
As I learned from my experiment of going from the T500's 300mm GT rim to a real 350mm rim, the rumbles and other road noises become more pronounced with a bigger wheel. This due to the bigger leverage, as this also increases the length of travel at the outer diameter of the wheel. So a small movement initially becomes a bigger movement the bigger the wheel gets.
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This is only partially correct. The movement along the arc of the rim diameter is longer with a larger diameter wheel if it is free-wheeling, but the actual force/leverage at the wheel rim will be less. And since we are pretty much holding the wheel almost stationary, the torque/force should be the important thing. For equal shaft torques, the larger wheel will always be easier to hold still. Think about it: the larger the wheel rim, the longer the lever. The longer the lever, the farther the movement and easier to move it is.

So your curb explanation doesn't seem to be accurate, to me at least. The smaller rim should feel more violent and transmit more curb feel than the larger one.
 
eKretz
This is only partially correct. The movement along the arc of the rim diameter is longer with a larger diameter wheel if it is free-wheeling, but the actual force/leverage at the wheel rim will be less. And since we are pretty much holding the wheel almost stationary, the torque/force should be the important thing. For equal shaft torques, the larger wheel will always be easier to hold still. Think about it: the larger the wheel rim, the longer the lever. The longer the lever, the farther the movement and easier to move it is.

So your curb explanation doesn't seem to be accurate, to me at least. The smaller rim should feel more violent and transmit more curb feel than the larger one.
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Yes, there is less force but the extra movement of a bigger rim resulted in more feel on the T500. Actually the force reduction is so little that I hardly feel it while driving. Sure the leverage makes for an easier to hold wheel, but the same leverage makes me feel what should be vibrations as vibrations instead of wheel alignment unsettling effects.
To me a curb feels more proper with the aftermarket 350mm rim than with the hard rubber 300mm GT rim.
This all surprised me as well, as I thought 350mm would feel dull and easy to hold but I ended up being pleasantly surprised by it. Also any proper rim is better than the hard rubber TM rims. The Fanatec rims feel much better and like a proper steering wheel, for the CSW at least.

Anyways, I also thought like you at first but its not as clear cut as that it seems (for the better).
 
Just snatched my copy of GT6! If I have a CSR Elite should I revert the Firmware or keep it at the newest firmware?
 
Well
LogiForce
Yes, there is less force but the extra movement of a bigger rim resulted in more feel on the T500. Actually the force reduction is so little that I hardly feel it while driving. Sure the leverage makes for an easier to hold wheel, but the same leverage makes me feel what should be vibrations as vibrations instead of wheel alignment unsettling effects.
To me a curb feels more proper with the aftermarket 350mm rim than with the hard rubber 300mm GT rim.
This all surprised me as well, as I thought 350mm would feel dull and easy to hold but I ended up being pleasantly surprised by it. Also any proper rim is better than the hard rubber TM rims. The Fanatec rims feel much better and like a proper steering wheel, for the CSW at least.

Anyways, I also thought like you at first but its not as clear cut as that it seems (for the better).
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Well it might be clearer cut than you think. Do those 2 wheels you swapped weigh the same? You mention that the difference in force isn't much, but neither would the difference in movement be, as it isn't a drastic change in diameter. If there is a weight difference then the change in inertia will most likely change the effect feeling more than either of the other two factors .
 
eKretz
Well


Well it might be clearer cut than you think. Do those 2 wheels you swapped weigh the same? You mention that the difference in force isn't much, but neither would the difference in movement be, as it isn't a drastic change in diameter. If there is a weight difference then the change in inertia will most likely change the effect feeling more than either of the other two factors .
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Difference is 50 grams. The GT rim is 1050 grams and the aftermarket one 1000 grams. So its negligible (just 13 sugar lumps of difference :dopey:).
 
LogiForce
Difference is 50 grams. The GT rim is 1050 grams and the aftermarket one 1000 grams. So its negligible (just 13 sugar lumps of difference :dopey:).
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Yup, about 1/9 of a pound. But that is the wheel you feel more effect with, even though it's slightly larger it's also lighter. Whether the mass is more central or instead more distributed around the periphery can also make a big difference. It's not so cut and dried so that makes it hard to say exactly what is making it feel better. I'm thinking the weight probably makes the biggest difference though.
 
Thanks @LogiForce

I can also confirm that with turbo S wheel, FFB is as bad or as good than with GT5 latest patches.(I am not talking about physics, just effects) I tested on Trial Mountain and some curves give FFB on curbs and some not. There is however zero rumble at zebra strips. This was the case already in GT5 after that one patch.

With that said, I will try to play with the settings ingame and wheel to make it better.(but now It looks that problem is not with our gear)
 
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Does someone with the first production revision CSW know whether you can add a second fan to it, or there is no socket for that? Fanatec customer service doesn't seem to understand the question, because they just answered to that, that there is no possibility of an upgrade to a newer version of CSW.
 
bumer
Does someone with the first production revision CSW know whether you can add a second fan to it, or there is no socket for that? Fanatec customer service doesn't seem to understand the question, because they just answered to that, that there is no possibility of an upgrade to a newer version of CSW.
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You should be able to just add it in parallel to the first fan even if there's no available plug-in. Just splice and solder the new fan's wires to the old one's. The fans have a very low current requirement so it shouldn't be a problem at all.
 
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So the CSS SQ finally arrived. It's everything I could have hoped… except I still need the table clamp and that's not due to arrive for another month.
 
Raitziger
Yes I know that,but what it is? Lifetime warranty or something else?
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They explain it on the home page somewhere. Think about it as the ensurances salesman try to make you sign when buying a new tv so they can get some extra money from you. Most of what is offered you already have if you have a home ensurance and live in an EU country at least. I don´t recall they offer a life time warranty no.
 
I was under the impression it is a deal for when your warranty expires. You pay for a extended warranty and a one off overhaul or service of the CSW base.
 
Raitziger
Yes I know that,but what it is? Lifetime warranty or something else?
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Their is said what it is (it probably lasts while your warranty lasts):
Premium Service Pack
This Premium Service Pack offers you a service that goes beyond the previous standard service coverage of your Fanatec BMW Rim.

High Priority
This service pack provides premium access to our technical support, making your needs, our priority.

Repair
Fanatec Support experts will ensure the full functionality of the rim.

  • High priority access to our Technical Support
  • Your email inquiries will be answered on German business days* (Mo. - Fr., excluding the 24th and 31th of Dec.) within 24 hours, if and only when the customer has properly selected the appropriate product (CSW+PSP) and submitted his request from the support area of our website
  • Should a repair be necessary and the duration of a repair and return shipment is estimated not to be within the following 2 business days after we received the product, a replacement unit on loan will be shipped to you, with no time restrictions and for each and every warranty case.
  • All shipping costs for sending the damaged unit as well as shipping costs incurred for returning the repaired unit back to you are free of charge. Shipping costs for the loaned unit will follow at customer’s expense
  • Return shipments can only be shipped back to their original addresses within the territories we regularly ship to
  • Fanatec’s provisions of warranty remain further valid
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Although it is kind of BS in my view. It should make you more prioritized customer, although I don't know when. If I wanted to get some information about my CSW, it took them about a day to answer my first mail (although this was their standard answer requiring a video) and for the other mail, it took 1,5 week and it still didn't answer my question.

About this repairing stuff, I expect them to make my products to full working order anyway if there is something wrong within the warranty period. So I don't know. Maybe Thomas should explain it a bit better.
 
I wonder what advantage a extended warranty would be since they will eventually run out of motors to replace the original ones.
in my recent communications with Mabuchi they stated that these motors have been discontinued and there is no direct replacement for them.
this would explain why Fanatec have recently decided not to sell the motors and to keep the balance of stock for warranty repairs.
so much for the 5 to 10 year life cycle.
 
novadave
I wonder what advantage a extended warranty would be since they will eventually run out of motors to replace the original ones.
in my recent communications with Mabuchi they stated that these motors have been discontinued and there is no direct replacement for them.
this would explain why Fanatec have recently decided not to sell the motors and to keep the balance of stock for warranty repairs.
so much for the 5 to 10 year life cycle.
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It sure seems with the warranty changes and recent comments on trying to buy replacement parts, that current owners need to really question how much this wheel will be supported after the warranty expires. Despite what Thomas stated on this site. Not really sure what to think at the moment, but none of its positive at this time.
 
When was the last time Thomas commented on the thread?
All recent news comes via facebook now

Edit, the last post was on sept 25th
 

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