Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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Perhaps Fanatec should sell a button box for each console (with all the required buttons) and then just sell rims with little to no buttons? Lets face it, for console racing how often do you use buttons on the wheel in race? Outside of adjusting brake balance and pausing the game in GT I cannot think of a single instance I need/wanted buttons on my wheel.

It seems the big issue with the CSRE and CSW was the MS (and Sony) mandated that peripherals for their system have certain buttons. Why put the burden of this on something like a wheel rim? This way you get 1 base, 1 set of wheel rims (with more freedom of design), and multi system compatibility all in one go.
 
Thomas said the Xbox One is "a key market for us" and they are working on something that they won't give any details about. I'm assuming the next base will use different FFB motors, and strength will be limited to avoid the overheating issues on the CSW. If they were smart they'd use bigger cooling fans also. So for the Xbox One fans, expect something with considerably less FFB than the CSW, or equal to with a bigger price tag. The motor fiasco will be fixed by sourcing better motors. The whole ordeal probably cost them a lot of $, they won't make the same mistake twice.
 
I am wondering if CSP V2 could worth it for a driver like me who been using CSR-Elite pedals?
ABS vibration on CSP V2 seems to be a great feature and it sounds tempting
Does it runs on GT6?
Which one has stiffest travel for gas pedal?
When i put my CSW and CSR-Elite on sale, i got messages from potential buyers such as
''you got great stuffs but too bad its CRS-Elite pedals instead of CSP V2''
 
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I am wondering if CSP V2 could worth it for a driver like me who been using CSR-Elite pedals?
ABS vibration on CSP V2 seems to be a great feature and it sounds tempting
Does it runs on GT6?
Which one has stiffest travel for gas pedal?
When i put my CSW and CSR-Elite on sale, i got messages from potential buyers such as
''you got great stuffs but too bad its CRS-Elite pedals instead of CSP V2''
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I own a CSR Elite and Clubsport pedals V2. The abs vibration will not work using GT6 abs state, it will give you a feedback when you are pressing x % on brake pedal. I know some PC sims use the abs pedal vibration with more accurate input data but not console sims...
But the Clubsport pedals are great even without vibrations. I bring my G25 to my office in order to drive a little bit at lunch time, and every time I press the brake pedal it is the same feeling : ouch... Logitech and Fanatec pedals are two different leagues :)
 
Aparently it is a buttonbox of some sort. It will be available separately and rims will be separate. We should learn the details soon.
 
Here is a interesting quote from Thomas from the iracing forums for those not up there reguarding a direct drive wheel like the accuforce wheel coming out.

"Like mentioned before, we are working on a product line below the CSW and above the CSW. Direct drive is the way to go and it should be no problem for us to offer a wheel which offers better functionality at a lower price. But it will still be significantly above the CSW.

Of course all rims will be compatible to all base units so that our modular sytem makes most sense and the user can decide between three different quality and price levels in all product categories: wheel base, wheel rim, pedals, shifter, cockpits.

You can upgrade at any time and don't need to spend all the money at one time."
 
fatkrakr
What type of motors will his "high end" wheel have. I think I seen a pallet of $5 motors at the flea market last week. Hell that's almost doubling the price of the CSW motors, so its a huge upgrade.
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Haha! From the sounds of it it's going to be some type of a direct drive servo motor like the new AccuForce wheel.
 
MadRR
Here is a interesting quote from Thomas from the iracing forums for those not up there reguarding a direct drive wheel like the accuforce wheel coming out.

"Like mentioned before, we are working on a product line below the CSW and above the CSW. Direct drive is the way to go and it should be no problem for us to offer a wheel which offers better functionality at a lower price. But it will still be significantly above the CSW.

Of course all rims will be compatible to all base units so that our modular sytem makes most sense and the user can decide between three different quality and price levels in all product categories: wheel base, wheel rim, pedals, shifter, cockpits.

You can upgrade at any time and don't need to spend all the money at one time."
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That's interesting, when he says :

"Direct drive is the way to go and it should be no problem for us to offer a wheel which offers better functionality at a lower price. But it will still be significantly above the CSW."

is he comparing a price to the upcoming Accuforce wheel?

I seem to remember that the Accuforce wheel will be priced below 2000 USD.

I have pretty much decided not to get the CSW due to the motorissues I have been hearing about and I set my eyes on T500RS or possibly the TX, but then last week I read about the Accuforce for the first time and now this, scratches head.
 
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This is all interesting news, but for me at least the cat-and-mouse publicity game Fanatec are playing is seriously annoying. I understand they don't want to give dates because everyone complained when they didn't meet their projected delivery dates in the past (as if that's a fault of the customer/buyer?) but there's no reason to be all coy about the product info. If they can't keep a release date then just don't give one or make it very general, but at least let us know what is in the pipeline so we can make informed decisions about whether to buy something else or wait.
 
I think he is just throwing 🤬 against the wall to see what sticks. He will never find a servo motor cheap enough to make his profit margin.

The power button on the CSW cost atleast as much as a motor does. :banghead:
 
fatkrakr
I think he is just throwing 🤬 against the wall to see what sticks. He will never find a servo motor cheap enough to make his profit margin.

The power button on the CSW cost atleast as much as a motor does. :banghead:
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Who knows what Fanatec is up to for a higher end sim-wheel. But one of my direct drive DIY projects cost me in the 100-150 range so far. It uses the stock circuit board as the controller along with an additional drive circuit and huge motor.
 
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RacerXX
No need to resort to name calling (yet again).

In the end these are not very complicated devices, really. I've been messing with direct drive and brushless and some other stuff for quite a long time now. I like direct drive for it's simplicity and lack of belt/gear related side effects or concerns. I had to add mechanisms and numerous tweaks to get my somewhat stock laid out CSR-E setup working as well as I did. But I prefer simplicity and in the end more parts and step up ratios are not the way to go.

The simple direct drive variation I noted is just a stand alone heavy duty H bridge (for the higher voltage / current) and a readily available mass produced motor that coincidentally has useful characteristics beneficial to the niche application that is a sim wheel base. You can do direct drive in various ways, from simple to complex.

Since my research highlighted a few things* that can help the sim racing experience, I can take those into account as I have fun with my hobby. Feel free to try things like this out, they can help your customers.

* One being the huge importance of in-hand countersteer capability, which you dispute since you locked in high drag / inertia with your product....except...countless racers presently enjoy >Fanatec countersteer with Logis and TX wheels so perhaps you can start calling them names too lol.
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:banghead: I don't know where you come up with these ridiculous claims. I didn't dispute anything, and we have been over over and over the fact that my wheel does NOT have high drag. The only reason our linearity graphs look any different is that you are using STOCK motors which the CSW's firmware is designed and tuned for. It has nothing to do with your modifications. Notice that a bone stock wheel will post up a graph exactly the same as your "Super Space Butter 5000 Highly De-Dragged Wheel Mod." :dunce: If you have made so much of a gain why doesn't your linearity graph spike UP with a high slope at the bottom like a reversed "hockey stick" as you are so fond of calling it? Nor did I call you a name. Clown is in the dictionary as a noun, and the definition suits the way you are behaving, though I can think of several words much more suitable that aren't used in polite society.
 
Supposedly Fanatec are working on a servo motor wheel base as well. Hmmmmm, its getting interesting. 3 different product lines is what Tomas said. Low end: CSR Mid: CSW High: CSW servo?
 
AGP5000
Yet another rim: http://us.fanatec.com/forum/discussion/91/here-comes-the-flat1-wheel-rim-for-your-clubsport-wheel

It is obvious in regards to PS4 compatibility. And if Thomas is not done yet, then I think a new CSW type base for consoles & maybe xbone support as the ultimate drop? Simply comes down to affordability & your passion, imho.
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I like this one :) It also shows that they have a modular system coming, interchangeable buttons and probably rims (only fixed with 3 bolts). I'm more excited about the range now than I was last week :)

lol...I cant help feeling the buttons being in an 'X' could be a teaser :D
 
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I like this rim very much, so it needs a picture in this topic :D


Quotes from Fanatec blog:

And we are not done yet...
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PS4 compatibility will be discussed separately as it is a completely different and independent
subject
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I believe that the CSW will be PS4 compatible, but the CSW owners need to buy one of the new rims in order to get PS4 compatibility combined with a firmware update.
 
Im not so sure these new rims have anything to do with Xbox. All the buttons have PS markings on them, unless MS has changed their stance on using their buttons on supported products.


I think HoiHman might be on to something here.
 

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