Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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Caz
Wasnt complaining.
The HB is xbox compatible, but not ps3. Forza 4 has a progressive handbrake function i believe. Tho im not sure.
I am however curious if it will function with csp v1 that has the handbrake port on the pcb, even tho fanatec says only v2 pedals.



I would personally find it hard to believe it wouldn't work with the Standard V1 CSP's. And even then WORST Case scenario for PC user's would be the USB adapter.
 
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It really seems strongly inspired by this mod (T500RS 3 years ago)

 
Caz
I am however curious if it will function with csp v1 that has the handbrake port on the pcb, even tho fanatec says only v2 pedals.

I see no reason why it wouldn't work with the V1 pedals as electrically (although the PCB has changed slightly ) they both function the same.

However the key point is to make sure you have the board that has the plug as I know the earlier versions of the CSPs don't. I double checked my CSP V1s and it has the port on its PCB and is labelled "handbrake"

I can't find it online since it feels like 8 years ago it was announced but I remember Thomas saying the intention always was for the handbrake to be able to connect to the CSP pedals that had the later PCB with the port......long before the CSP V2 was released
 
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Caz
Reading the handbrake page, says its only compatible with th v2 csp. I wonder why that is.
Maybe its due to the fact that not all V1 pcb have the port for it?
Also no ps3 compatibility for the handbrake either. :(

The handbrake should work as the PCB design hasn't changed for the CSPv2, nor did the drivers or firmware. The CSPv2 was purely a mechanical enhancement so to speak. At least as far as I know, plus it has been proven in the past that the handbrake port on the CSPv1 does work.

Also if you don't have the header on the PCB for the handbrake, if you're handy than you could solder one on there and it should work. Of course all at your own risk with the result of accepting the void of your warranty.
I do not know what these connectors or headers are called and can't tell you which to buy as there are quite a variety of similar looking connectors, though I think Basher might know as he has made me a handbrake cable for the SFA1 in the past.
 
Now that you talk about 'Logitech paying for'...

Logitech (as well as ECCI for the 7000 series) uses Immersion TouchSense for their FFB to work.

Link for proof - G27: http://www.immersion.com/markets/gaming/products/index.html#tab=logitech

As you can see the G27 uses Immersion's software, but as Logitech's software hasn't changed since I think the beginning of proper FFB devices (Logitech Wingman Formula Force GP etc); one can presume that it involves all Logitech wheels.

Now because Immersion has seemingly moved towards mobile (touchscreen etc) haptic feedback and abandoning FFB related matters (Immersion on their site speaks of 'legacy software from 2003'), Logitech had to make a decision upon that to move out when the next consoles came about.
The reason I say Immersion went purely for mobile haptic devices is... well, just look at the page below. Plus I can't find anything about next-gen consoles being compatible with their software.

Link - Immersion TouchSense: http://www.immersion.com/products/touchsense-tactile-feedback/index.html


This could well mean that we won't see Logitech on the next-gen console scene, because (like Fanatec in this case) Logitech would have to build their own haptic software up from scratch and try to keep it compatible with the previous Immersion based implementation.
Why the backwards compatibility? Because you don't want to support 2 different haptic feedback coding approaches for the game developers. Plus this would mean the drivers/software would get too bloated. Yet you don't want to trow away the old game compatibility either.

So yeah, if this is the case I can see why Logitech had a lot of dilemmas to wrestle with and think about. All in all, I doubt we'll see Logitech back on the scene quickly. Fanatec as a result riding on Logitech is in the same sore situation.

Also if either Logitech or Fanatec made their own software and drivers from scratch, I think it would definitely change the feel of their FFB. Different devs write up different pages of code after all, plus I am sure Immersion has theirs copyrighted so you wouldn't be able to copy anything or make anything look like their code.


So yeah, still not optimistic. Actually I am getting more pessimistic by the minute, so I won't hold my console compatibility breath over it.

Thrustmaster TX wheel is using Imersion TouchSense technology
 
If I had never gone to Fanatec's website, I never would have done it a month or so later.

Damn my curiosity!
 
Fanatec webshop has been slightly modified. There is now a new category called "wheel base". There is only the clubsport base in it (it was previously under the "steering wheel" category together with the other wheels from Fanatec). It seems strange to create a category for an only product so one could think that this in a hint that new wheel bases could be announced in a near future.
 
Fanatec webshop has been slightly modified. There is now a new category called "wheel base". There is only the clubsport base in it (it was previously under the "steering wheel" category together with the other wheels from Fanatec). It seems strange to create a category for an only product so one could think that this in a hint that new wheel bases could be announced in a near future.

I wouldn't be so sure, because it is not the only change. They have changed many categories. Previously their cockpits and wheelstand were in one category and now there are three different, two of them having only one product now, so it should also mean there are new gaming seats and cockpits coming. I don't think so. Also, handbrake is now under two categories, one put under pedals certainly by mistake. I think they just want to make things more clear.
 
Fanatec webshop has been slightly modified. There is now a new category called "wheel base". There is only the clubsport base in it (it was previously under the "steering wheel" category together with the other wheels from Fanatec). It seems strange to create a category for an only product so one could think that this in a hint that new wheel bases could be announced in a near future.

Well they did say they were working on a directdrive base (as in something like SimSteering and Accuforce). Or maybe it is a PS4 or XB1 wheel base with the same QR system as the CSW?

Absolutely no clue, but I am sure that it's a change for things to come and provide a better overview when the time arrives.
One thing I absolutely love about the modern Fanatec approach is... modularity. While you can interchange wheels and pedals between Thrustmasters T500, TX and T300; you can't buy anything separate. A base is always sold with wheel and pedals for example.
That is a really strong point for Fanatec I think. That you can upgrade the base in the future, but still are able to keep your existing wheels, pedals, shifter and handbrake.

But to get back on topic. I have no clue about new stuff from Fanatec. Let's hope for something new, cause be honest... we all like new toys. ;)
 
I could keep my pedals and rim when going from the T500RS to TX no problem. They are selling the T3PA and TH8RA or what it will be called so they are going the same route it seems.

btw I am rmaing my Clubsport shifter but when entering the rma on their webpage I seem to get stuck on the upload image/video though I don´t have any. But the claims maybe get through anyway? I get some email confirmation despite the web page hanging on me.
 
I could keep my pedals and rim when going from the T500RS to TX no problem. They are selling the T3PA and TH8RA or what it will be called so they are going the same route it seems.

btw I am rmaing my Clubsport shifter but when entering the rma on their webpage I seem to get stuck on the upload image/video though I don´t have any. But the claims maybe get through anyway? I get some email confirmation despite the web page hanging on me.

You missed the point. Thrustmaster doesn't sell their bases separately, but instead they supply a wheel and pedals. Meaning you have to take products that will just fill up cupboard space when not needed and collect dust as a result. So to me it's a waste of money, resources and space in the cupboard (or wherever you'll put the stuff you don't use).

If you got an email confirmation than it should've gotten through. Not sure if the uploads got corrupted or not though, but just wait for the customer support agent to reply. If the uploads are corrupted he will ask you to upload them again for him.
 
There is no uploads. It hangs in the process. Have you done a rma having the application hang and they got back to you?

I didn´t miss your point just pointing out that they are both doing the modular approach. Fanatec is taking the lead with that albeit very expensive wheel hub :)
 
Time to upgrade your wheel. The new DRIVER brings a lot of new features and the new firmware for the ClubSport Wheel does not only support the new Universal Hub but also brings several improvements in the force feedback.

Driver v200 (for all Fanatec wheels):
  • Now shows the
    firmware version of our wheels (CSW, CSRE, CSR, GT3V2, GT2, PWTS) in the
    “update” tab of your device.
  • The driver can carry a
    new firmware for the CSW directly and the updater for the CSW is included as
    well. It will start automatically if you set the CSW into bootloader mode.
  • Automatic detection if the your CSW has an older firmware installed than the one which is
    included in the driver.
  • New firmware for CSW
    (V53) included!
  • The driver also
    contains both firmwares for the CS USB Adapter and asks you which mode you want
    to use (handbrake or shifter)


  • In the update tab you
    can start the FW updater to change the firmware from handbrake to shifter and
    “vice versa”
  • Handbrake bar for CSP
    added (if handbrake is connected directly to the CSP)


New functions of firmware 057 for CSW (ClubSport Wheel Base):

  • Improved wheel centering after boot up
  • "Center bump issue" has been improved significantly. More improvements will have other negative side effects so this is the optimum.
  • New rims added
  • DPR, SPR and FOR max. settings are now set to 150 (%) to avoid overclocking
http://eu.fanatec.com/download/Fanatec_32bit_driver_200.zip
http://eu.fanatec.com/download/Fanatec_64bit_driver_200.zip
 
DPR, SPR and FOR max. settings are now set to 150 (%) to avoid overclocking

Smart. This was basically fry your CSW mode. Nice changes all around.

One thing I would really like them to add is a RA menu imposed deadzone for the pedals so if the throttle sensor goes, we can just add a little deadzone to avoid the flickering input issue. If we can do it for the wheel we should be able to do it for the pedals (what do I know...).
 
Anyone else getting AC crashes with the latest drivers? Firmware seems to be fine but the latest driver just not work for me in AC.

I downgraded the previous driver and it seems to work.
 
Thomas made an announcement on iracing forum. Rims will be up this week, and.....a new surprise Monday! What do you think it is?
 
Thomas made an announcement on iracing forum. Rims will be up this week, and.....a new surprise Monday! What do you think it is?

A new wheel base... (Clubsport base v2... :-))
Or more realistically a new clubsport rim at 249 usd/eur (including the quick realease system, and therefore not requiring the clubsport hub).
 
Thomas made an announcement on iracing forum. Rims will be up this week, and.....a new surprise Monday! What do you think it is?
That they have come to their senses and decided that they will offer an upgraded motor block for the CSW. :crazy:
 
If i had to guess, you guys remember this:




I received my Universal Hubs AND the CSHB today. They both still have to be mounted to my rig, here a some first impressions:

Clubsport Handbrake

I remember when i got the CSS-SQ how big AND heavy it was. With the CSS it's the opposite. The handbrake is smaller AND much lighter than i suspected.

The Handle is also on the thin side.

Overall it's does look great, but i expected something more in range of the CSS. Big, heavy and sturdy.

The resistance of the handbrake feels really good. (spot on)
Inside it's a simple halleffect sensor with a small spring.

Final judgement will come when it's mounted solid to my rig. So far i'm actually pretty happy that it's smaller, because it will be easier to fit it on my rig.

So far happy with the purchase.



Judging from the length of the cable, Fanatec believes it should be placed on or next to the CSPv2 :ouch:

Come on Fanatec, after the CSS i though your guys would have learned to supply us with a bit longer cable:banghead:


Universal Hub

The hub and button boxes are also look a bit smaller than i suppected.
It looks like mounting a wheel from the first time will take some time.

I haven had time to look any further, but everything looks pretty good and is well packed.
 
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