Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

[LogiForce]

In real life if you lock the brakes don't you feel it through the pedal? Why would you not want that in the game?

If my wheels lock I don't feel it through the pedal in my car. They simply lock up at some point and through g forces and the steering wheel and the direction I see the car is going and hearing the squeezing, I notice that my brakes lock.
The brake pedal just is all squishy in my car and has no feeling in it at all. I only notice how strong the power of the power brake is getting which differs when the airco is engaged or not. So I don't drive on the feeling of the pedal other then it's pressure.

 

[ilonioum]

If my wheels lock I don't feel it through the pedal in my car. They simply lock up at some point and through g forces and the steering wheel and the direction I see the car is going and hearing the squeezing, I notice that my brakes lock.
The brake pedal just is all squishy in my car and has no feeling in it at all. I only notice how strong the power of the power brake is getting which differs when the airco is engaged or not. So I don't drive on the feeling of the pedal other then it's pressure.

Go for CSP if you really like racing as for only $50 more you will get a more precise and well built (durable) product.

 

[Patrocles]

Main reason really is cost. The GT2 and CSR are not that much different according to what I hear, slight improvements here and there. To get the CSR with the same items as the GT2 Clubsport package it would cost a total £466, plus £20 delivery, so £486

The GT2 clubsport package is £435 including delivery. Just over £50 saving. Plus I really love the Alcantara rim

good point!

yeah, from what I saw on the ISR vid for FM4 wheels they said the Clubsport pedals are better than the CSR and CSRE pedals.

I wonder if Fanatec will ever offer the CSR, CSR Elite, or CSW as a package? anyone?

 

[Symtex]

While I am waiting for my order to be process. I am curious to know how the CSR shifter feels. is it hard to go from 2nd to 3rd gear ? How smooth is the transition ? I will be using CSR elite pedals.

 

[12thgear]

Cheers guys. I didnt notice however that the CS clamp is out of stock till the end of November. Getting a GamePod GT2 in Janunary so probably wont bother with a CS clamp.

Thanks for the advice though nonetheless.

Just a heads up: I don't know if Fanatec includes them now, but my launch GT2 did not include screws for hard mounting it. You may want to confirm with Fanatec or Gamepod to see if either of them include hardware.

Yes indeed I raised the point that it wasnt listed and placed calls for confirmation here and on the official blog forums which I believe have been ignored. My friend has contacted their CS department so we will see what they say.

It's too bad you don't live in the States. I'd just send you my adapter. I doubt I'll ever use it.

 

[Mayaman]

In real life if you lock the brakes don't you feel it through the pedal? Why would you not want that in the game?

Ummmm yes they do. In my Porsche and also in my SRT the lock activates ABS which in turn I feel my pedal pumping at a crazy rate. What kind of car do you drive that the pedal doesn't pulsate under full lock?

 

[scoddee]

Yes indeed I raised the point that it wasnt listed and placed calls for confirmation here and on the official blog forums which I believe have been ignored. My friend has contacted their CS department so we will see what they say.

The wheel is based off the same chassis as previous wheels so their was little reason to assume it wouldnt work. As yet I do not know if its just a case of him having a wonky pedal adapter so perhaps someone else can confirm if indeed theirs is the same.

If it is the case it doesnt work then isnt it in the best interest of Fanatec to report this on their website as Im sure more people on a budget will think of doing the same as my friend and buy the wheel with the intent of using their X360 pedals.

Come on Thomas....
Also ISR made no comment about doing this with their big pedal comparison and latest CSR video.

*Maybe Sonac can find out?

C'mon Latte. You really need to rethink your position. You gave your friend bad info, big deal, accept it. Every point you've made sounds like the ramblings of the convicted on the way to the gallows. Blaming Fanatec for your miscue.....It's really not like you. Disregard all this if someone has hijacked Mr Latte's GTP account (which seems the most likely scenario, lol)

With brotherly love,
Scotty

 

[redmalloc]

Ummmm yes they do. In my Porsche and also in my SRT the lock activates ABS which in turn I feel my pedal pumping at a crazy rate. What kind of car do you drive that the pedal doesn't pulsate under full lock?

My Yugo? But don't worry, we are agreeing.

If my wheels lock I don't feel it through the pedal in my car. They simply lock up at some point and through g forces and the steering wheel and the direction I see the car is going and hearing the squeezing, I notice that my brakes lock.
The brake pedal just is all squishy in my car and has no feeling in it at all. I only notice how strong the power of the power brake is getting which differs when the airco is engaged or not. So I don't drive on the feeling of the pedal other then it's pressure.

Let me say it a different way. Sim racing suffers from a lack of tactile and inertial effects. In my opinion, a device which add some of that back in, even is it isn't completely true to life, is welcome. Some argue that force feedback in sim wheels is not true to life either, but I am not about to turn that off.

 

[Mr Latte]

C'mon Latte. You really need to rethink your position. You gave your friend bad info, big deal, accept it. Every point you've made sounds like the ramblings of the convicted on the way to the gallows. Blaming Fanatec for your miscue.....It's really not like you. Disregard all this if someone has hijacked Mr Latte's GTP account (which seems the most likely scenario, lol)

With brotherly love,
Scotty

I need to rethink my position?
No I think your not reading this the right way.

The position is simple at this moment Fanatec/ISR/ or anyone else on these forums has yet to confirm if the adapter does or indeed does not work with the CSR/X360 pedals. Until someone can confirm that then I cannot be certain if the adapter he bought is faulty or not...

Either way he is sorted as I have given him my G25 pedals. The point in raising the matter is to try to ensure others DO NOT do the same and order a CSR with an adapter for their X360 pedals until it is confirmed. Additionaly the website could be updated to clearly state if indeed their is a compatibility issue. Im surprised no beta testers have discovered this as well which makes me think is his adapter faulty?

Fanatec seem to be currently altering their website and the accessories page (at the moment of writing this) with the adapter not even being listed.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

Mine is pretty loud too. Most of the time I play with headphones on so it's not a big deal, but must admit I'm not entirely happy about it being so loud, as I can def hear it when I'm playing through the speakers.

Daz

Yep. Mine does the same thing, its a softer, high-pitch noise. There is a setting you can adjust on the wheel. It's the SHO setting, if you set that to zero, it will stop making that annoying noise. And the motor won't activate when you press the gas pedal HTH!

P.S. Remember, you will have to do it for each wheel 'setup' too.

Jerome

Just got an email from Fanatec support in response to my inquiry on the CSR fan noise. They are aware of the fan noise issue and are working on a fix for a future firmware update. Not a huge deal but would be nice if the fan was quieter.

 

[LogiForce]

My Yugo? But don't worry, we are agreeing.



Let me say it a different way. Sim racing suffers from a lack of tactile and inertial effects. In my opinion, a device which add some of that back in, even is it isn't completely true to life, is welcome. Some argue that force feedback in sim wheels is not true to life either, but I am not about to turn that off.

I agree to what you're saying about any input into what the car is doing is useful, but having it or not doesn't make much difference as far as I can see (although I am sure it does make a difference depending on what inputs you're used to as a driver, real or sim). Since you already get the feedback from what the tires do under the car via the wheel. That is... if the force feedback has been correctly programmed in the game.
Anyhow maybe I'll think entirely different about it after I have the feature... who knows.

Does anyone know if Thomas has said something about needing the CSP's especially for when you want too hook up a CSH? Or is the CSR EP also possible? I know I have read somewhere you need at least CSP's.

EDIT:
Nevermind. I've decided since I found this: http://x-cpo.com/index.php?option=c...ted-mount&catid=12:csp-pedal&Itemid=5&lang=en
Now I can easily invert my pedals and use them whatever way I want them. Even if they aren't meant for use upside down according to Thomas. Although I wouldn't use the big gas pedal but the pedal in the tuning kit. ^_^

 

[Caz]

Thats a nice piece. Although i think the pedals sit to low. Imo.

Also instead of snipping and splicing the wires as most guides suggest you can simply move the entire circuit board over and use one of its mounting screws to secure it. I believe i posted a pic some pages back.

 

[Spagetti69]

Happy birthday Thomas. 8^)

 

[thehawk05]

I need to rethink my position?
No I think your not reading this the right way.

The position is simple at this moment Fanatec/ISR/ or anyone else on these forums has yet to confirm if the adapter does or indeed does not work with the CSR/X360 pedals.

The point in raising the matter is to try to ensure others DO NOT do the same and order a CSR with an adapter for their X360 pedals until it is confirmed. Additionaly the website could be updated to clearly state if indeed their is a compatibility issue.

If one reads the description of Fanatec 360 compatible wheels on their site, not one of them mentions anything in regards to the 360 pedals as being compatible. All of them clearly list Fanatec brand pedals and only the G25/27 pedals when used with the adapter. Their product comparison chart states the same:

http://www.fanatec.de/html/pw_overview.htm

Not sure what else you expect Fanatec to do when they've made it pretty black and white on their site. Going by that info logic should dictate that the 360 pedals will not function with a Fanatec wheel no matter what.

 

[LogiForce]

Thats a nice piece. Although i think the pedals sit to low. Imo.

Also instead of snipping and splicing the wires as most guides suggest you can simply move the entire circuit board over and use one of its mounting screws to secure it. I believe i posted a pic some pages back.

Why move the Circuit Board and do stuff to the wires? I've read it's just swapping the springs, pedal plates and the A and C wires. Then mounting the whole thing on that assembly. Or am I wrong?
Read so here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3955508

Anyhow, I won't get the pedals soon I think. Although now there is a nice action with the tuning kit. I'm kinda waiting for the G25 to crap out completely (gears are starting to stand on top of each other sometimes, causing the wheel to lock), or till the CSW is finally out.
Anyhow I'd love to know if the inversion is possible without altering too much?

 

[Caz]

I remember reading somewhere that one of.the two wire looms is a little short. I very well could be imagining that, but i think that was why i took so long to flip mine.

Edit: after reading.slumps guide i must be crazy. Though he does make mention of removing the shrink tubing. That must be what i was thinking of.

Carryon like i was never here

Edit again:
The inversion was stupidly easy. As long as you arent a hamfisted goon. i couldnt believe how easy it was.

 

[Mr Latte]

If one reads the description of Fanatec 360 compatible wheels on their site, not one of them mentions anything in regards to the 360 pedals as being compatible. All of them clearly list Fanatec brand pedals and only the G25/27 pedals when used with the adapter. Their product comparison chart states the same:

http://www.fanatec.de/html/pw_overview.htm
Not sure what else you expect Fanatec to do when they've made it pretty black and white on their site. Going by that info logic should dictate that the 360 pedals will not function with a Fanatec wheel no matter what.

I will await proper clarification.
What I expect from a company that has a product selection that can be mixed/matched is that each product web/info page clearly states what "that product" is compatible with and it wouldnt be a bad idea to highlight "*" or specify something that it is not compatible with. Fanatec have done this before but the pedal adapters have been an issue in the past on the website.


Its not black n white...
Fanatec's site has been known to have mistakes or omissions in the past, you know.
The GT3v1 CLUBSPORT package was listed as being shipped with X360 & G25 pedal adapters That didn't happen, they were shipped with none. Later upon request people only got G25 adapters and it wasn't until much later that the newer dual adapters appeared for sale.

So tell me then, are you saying with 100% certainty that the pedal adapter only works with PWTS/GT3/CARRERA/GT3v2 using X360 pedals? Now because the adapter is only listed in the new chart as G25/G27 yet the adapter also has the X360 socket on it. Your making a point that it means it doesn't support compatibility with X360 pedals on GT2/CSR because of how it is named on the chart.

Sorry that's still not conclusive....

I dont want to harp on about it but its something I think they need to make clear on the website and have confirmed. Im not angry or anything about it, just something I want to get to the bottom of and try to help others avoiding this situation if indeed their is a compatibility issue.

Ive tried several times to find out...

Update Edit:




So clearly one page doesnt list or confrim it works with X360 yes yet the adapter product page gives the impression it does with no notice of it not being compatible.

 

[sandboxgod]

I remember reading somewhere that one of.the two wire looms is a little short. I very well could be imagining that, but i think that was why i took so long to flip mine.

Edit: after reading.slumps guide i must be crazy. Though he does make mention of removing the shrink tubing. That must be what i was thinking of.

Carryon like i was never here

Edit again:
The inversion was stupidly easy. As long as you arent a hamfisted goon. i couldnt believe how easy it was.

Then that makes it all the more curious why Fanatec states on his blog the reason they don't support inversion of CSPs because it's technically unfeasible or something

On a side note: After considering an inversion kit for the CSPs, I have decided that we will not do that for the CSP as it is too complicated to modify and it would be an ergonomic compromise as these pedals were built like real race car pedals which are mounted to the floor. This is how they work best and this is how they were designed to be used.

something not adding up. you say its easy and he is indicating "it is too complicated to modify"

Not a big deal too me tho I'm gonna stick with my inverted t500rs pedals for the time being!

edit: Perhaps what he means is it would be too myuch trouble to try to provide an inversion kit for CSPs is what I'm assuming. Thus, both parties (you and Fanatec) are correct. Dont have the pedals myself but that only thing that makes sense too me

 

[LogiForce]

I remember reading somewhere that one of.the two wire looms is a little short. I very well could be imagining that, but i think that was why i took so long to flip mine.

Edit: after reading.slumps guide i must be crazy. Though he does make mention of removing the shrink tubing. That must be what i was thinking of.

Carryon like i was never here

Edit again:
The inversion was stupidly easy. As long as you arent a hamfisted goon. i couldnt believe how easy it was.

Ah, I see. Well, I am an IT professional, so electronics are not a problem. Just didn't want to go and solder and strip wires and have Thomas jelling at me that I destroyed the product that he worked so hard on to design. lol

Then that makes it all the more curious why Fanatec states on his blog the reason they don't support inversion of CSPs because it's technically unfeasible or something



something not adding up. you say its easy and he is indicating "it is too complicated to modify"

Not a big deal too me tho I'm gonna stick with my inverted t500rs pedals for the time being!

edit: Perhaps what he means is it would be too myuch trouble to try to provide an inversion kit for CSPs is what I'm assuming. Thus, both parties (you and Fanatec) are correct. Dont have the pedals myself but that only thing that makes sense too me

I am puzzled by that as well. Or maybe he meant that it is too difficult if you're left handed and might destroy the circuit board and/or cables in the process. And that risk being to high to provide a kit and still put warranty on everything. (Although I don't know how Fanatec handles warrenty when you modify the pedals, since I never had a Fanatec product before).

Ah, I see. Yeah... the T500 RS pedals are indeed nice. Came from a G25 and hell what an improvement it was. Now that I gave my dad my G25 it started dying. So I hope Thomas releases the CSW before it does. :S
So yeah, thought of passing along my T500 RS to my dad and getting that. And if I don't like the CSW i'll switch it back.

 

[sandboxgod]

Poor t500rs not even a year old and getting kicked to the curve for ya huh haha

So verdict is CSPs are better it seems and the csr has a fan issue. Wonder which is louder- a t500rs or CSR? Granted i dont hear my t500rs fan but I roll with low ffb (I do too much online racing and get bumped into way too much to have strong ffb on)

I should check iRacing forums. plenty of those guys got csr wheels I'm sure. I wonder if they have any fan issues. In my experience console racers seems to beat up their wheels bigtime by turning up ffb to 100% or so

 

[Caz]

I scratched my head when i saw thomas post that. IMO it would be very simple to make a high quality inversion kit. Mine only added about 5 lbs but was designed for bolt in to my wheel frame.
Any way off topic pm me if you want some more.info.

 

[LogiForce]

Poor t500rs not even a year old and getting kicked to the curve for ya huh haha

So verdict is CSPs are better it seems and the csr has a fan issue. Wonder which is louder- a t500rs or CSR? Granted i dont hear my t500rs fan but I roll with low ffb (I do too much online racing and get bumped into way too much to have strong ffb on)

I should check iRacing forums. plenty of those guys got csr wheels I'm sure. I wonder if they have any fan issues. In my experience console racers seems to beat up their wheels bigtime by turning up ffb to 100% or so

Hahaha... we'll see if it gets kicked out of the way. I'm still going to use it for a long time I hope. Me and dad just have a good connection and love racing against each other. So if my old wheel collapses I have to replace it somehow, so I can keep beating him on the track.
Besides, I have still time to ponder about another T500 RS or not. The only thing I hate about the T500 RS is it's mounting system. The steering column has a + shape, and there is space between the column itself and the wheel hub that fits around it. This in return results in jolts when sudden FFB is applied and you'll hear and feel a little clack/tick. It disturbs me every time and diverts my attention. Hence I want to try a Fanatec CSW with CSP and later a CSHB and CSS.
Apart from the hub issue, I don't hear my fan after replacement and the wheel is very good in my opinion. TM not delivering their shifter in time without a word anywhere about the delay pisses me off though. Anyhow, the CSW has 80mm fans I believe so the noise should be no more then a pc's. And the Quick Release is just drooling to have. I hope the FFB will live up to its name, and be hopefully even smoother then the T500 RS (which you can still feel the motor in).

I scratched my head when i saw thomas post that. IMO it would be very simple to make a high quality inversion kit. Mine only added about 5 lbs but was designed for bolt in to my wheel frame.
Any way off topic pm me if you want some more.info.

I will do that... i'll write you a pm in a few. I don't have a rig myself but any info on how to get things done in different ways might help. Maybe I'd even make something myself if it's not too big a deal. ^_^


I want to thank everyone here for helping me and giving me all the answers to my sometimes straight forward questions in hindsight. I'll be sure to keep an eye on the thread for any news concerning all the points of interest from my curiosity.

 

[mykem]

Poor t500rs not even a year old and getting kicked to the curve for ya huh haha

Reading through this forum or GTP for that matter, the consumption is quite mind-numbing. I remember when I bought my G25 and paid $250 for it, I took me weeks to recover from such a frivolous expenditure. Truth be told if I were to buy another wheel, it's probably be something like the Frex. I want something that I can easily replace the parts. But for now, almost 4 years into G25 ownership I'm still happy (as it's still going despite running full throttle since the beginning). To me it's about finding affinity rather than the next best thing. But again, I was never meant for this world

 

[LogiForce]

Reading through this forum or GTP for that matter, the consumption is quite mind-numbing. I remember when I bought my G25 and paid $250 for it, I took me weeks to recover from such a frivolous expenditure. Truth be told if I were to buy another wheel, it's probably be something like the Frex. I want something that I can easily replace the parts. But for now, almost 4 years into G25 ownership I'm still happy (as it's still going despite running full throttle since the beginning). To me it's about finding affinity rather than the next best thing. But again, I was never meant for this world

If you're happy, then don't change a thing. The reason I exchanged my G25 for the T500 RS was that the wheel was too slow. Although in hindsight I was just hitting more of a wall in my ability that I needed to overcome, then that the speed was the issue. But yeah, spending money depends on where your priorities are to be honest. I think on GTP most of us really love Sim Racing, which no matter how much money spend is still cheaper and safer then modding your real car and taking it out for a spin (including fuel and other necessary expenses a car has). Let alone taking it to the track.
So yeah, even if there is a big difference in how much money people want to spend on what. As long as we are all happy with what we got, then it's all good. And for the economy in total, money has got to roll... no matter where it rolls towards, as long as it keeps rolling from one point to the next.

 

[Crispy]

On the topic of inversion, I'm also another owner who has inverted my pedals. Makes a huge difference in the way they feel. The only problem I had was getting some of the allen keys out. A couple of them just wouldn't budge.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

Poor t500rs not even a year old and getting kicked to the curve for ya huh haha

So verdict is CSPs are better it seems and the csr has a fan issue. Wonder which is louder- a t500rs or CSR? Granted i dont hear my t500rs fan but I roll with low ffb (I do too much online racing and get bumped into way too much to have strong ffb on)

I should check iRacing forums. plenty of those guys got csr wheels I'm sure. I wonder if they have any fan issues. In my experience console racers seems to beat up their wheels bigtime by turning up ffb to 100% or so

Im not sure but I may have been the first to post (at least on GTPlanet) on the fan noise of my CSR. I sure wouldn't consider it a mark against the CSR. It is rather minor as it is now and it will be addressed in a firmware update.

Note: The fan noise from my CSR seems to behave as expected (set to temp controlled) on my PS3 (sound barely noticable). It is only when used on my Xbox that it seems to only run at full speed regardless of the setting. I haven't tried on my PC yet.

 

[Mr Latte]

CSR Wheel & Pedal Adapter with X360 Official Wheel Pedals

DOES WORK!

I can confirm my friend had a faulty adapter, he still hasnt heard back from Darin @ CS and at last I can put to bed this issue. I looked him out my own and got an answer from him tonight that it is now working fine.

Note to Fanatec:
Please UPDATE your "comparison chart" and website "CSR product page" listing compatibility with X360 pedals. It would save a lot of confusion in the future.

 

[LostRacer]

CSR Wheel & Pedal Adapter with X360 Official Wheel Pedals

DOES WORK!

I can confirm my friend had a faulty adapter, he still hasnt heard back from Darin @ CS and at last I can put to bed this issue. I looked him out my own and got an answer from him tonight that it is now working fine.

Note to Fanatec:
Please UPDATE your "comparison chart" and website "CSR product page" listing compatibility with X360 pedals. It would save a lot of confusion in the future.

Glad everything worked out

 

[LogiForce]

I can also confirm something. After much talk here I already ordered me a set of clubsport pedals since they are now with free kit. So now I am in full anticipation of the CSW. (⌒▽&#8978

 

[amf7]

Gotta feel sorry.for fanatec... They send a faulty piece.of kit to one of the most active posters best mate