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Would be interesting to try Novec by 3M if it wasn't so bloody expensive. No oily mess like mineral oil.
Fanatec CSW/CSR Elite Modders Thread *UPDATE February 2014*
- Thread starter eKretz
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On another note, our motors are en route. After I test the motors and try them out I will ship the first five guys' orders, then we will open up the payment for the remainder of the list on a first paid, first served basis. I will be sending out a mass email to everyone on the list and orders will be served on a first paid, first served basis.
Hi eKretz! I'm new to this forum and am quite interested in purchasing one of these motor upgades for my csw! After reading the feedback I'm quite impressed on what you have achieved with this mod and how it can change the ffb strength and reliability issues the original motors have! I've been through 2 csr elites and now onto csw which has been good to me so far. How can i go about purchasing this upgrade. Also I live in Australia! Cheers mate!
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(My bold, above)
I'm at over a year now running single motor of various kinds in my CSR-E. It is certainly the way to go when you look at the big picture. I have pointed this out in the past and have tested it extremely thoroughly. It also winds up cheaper and simpler. It lays the groundwork for other drag reduction mods not possible with dual motor with such ease.
The lower drag (once below a key threshold) helps you find track speed. It slightly reduces heat loads too. I've been able to hit as high as 312 wheel RPMs in some sims via hand power during car corrections. Didn't think I could move that quickly but at times I can. You notice fewer mistakes and a better ability to catch the car to the point that you can run more aggressive car setups. It helps that much. It's part of the direct drive benefit too, another single motor approach I've messed with quite a bit.
When you guys can, I wholeheartedly suggest spending more time on this instead of locking in the past dual approach if you are modding. If you are not modding, the CSW bases seem to be doing much better over the last year or so, yes? If not and if you do swap I'd hang on for a single motor modding solution so that you can more easily experience some of the benefits above. Maybe this motor (from Blue) will work for you, there are quite a few that will work well.
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Dude, enough already. As you can probably tell by the many happy mod users your ideas are a bit goofy. I thought we had seen the last of you once you got space buttered by Lucas. If you don't have any positive contributions to make and only want to talk down other peoples' work, why don't you just talk to yourself. You had a hissy and pulled all your posts from this thread, so if you don't want to contribute anything, just stay out of it.
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Novec runs a few hundred dollars per gallon. Not so bad. It's Fluorinert that is like $1500 a gallon. Here's just a quick search of places that carry it.
http://www.galladechem.com/catalog/3m/3m-novec-engineered-fluid-hfe-7200.htm
http://www.amsmaterials.com/products/Novec-7000.html
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Lol, wow, liquid gold eh? Pretty neat stuff though, I've been checking out the datasheets. Saw a YouTube video where they had submerged a processor in it and it was boiling! I can't imagine that that would be optimal for heat transfer.
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heres a quick test with the single motor
after one of the twin buhlers pooped out i started using my t500 for about a week, and honestly after using the fanatec with modded motors its so hard to go back to a more standard wheel. the t500 felt really weak and very lumpy and the ffb just felt a bit slow, As soon as i got this single motor set up and gave it a test i was blown away by how smooth these wheels are (again
) with a modified motor setup (weather its single or twin) it just blows anything else i have had away. the feel, strenght and response is just awesome
after one of the twin buhlers pooped out i started using my t500 for about a week, and honestly after using the fanatec with modded motors its so hard to go back to a more standard wheel. the t500 felt really weak and very lumpy and the ffb just felt a bit slow, As soon as i got this single motor set up and gave it a test i was blown away by how smooth these wheels are (again
) with a modified motor setup (weather its single or twin) it just blows anything else i have had away. the feel, strenght and response is just awesome
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I actually though about that as well but have not tested anything out, although me too suspected keeping it tight will somehow be a problem + like K_Soze says what about the friction of mineral oils, low viscosity or what?
Is it possible using water @ 0 ppm, all I know my RO pumps out about 2-3ppm and not sure if I would dare to try that at least not on one of the Buhlers haha..
I suppose you also though about using peltier but those have the hot side we must cope with so also problematic, I thought that if I can only cool the motor to certain temps much lower the ambient even from the outside like a jacket it might be ok? Have also thought about using jackets and hook it up to my chiller set at 3-4c but it will creates so many other problems I have to cope with so not very doable anyway? Condensation from running a chiller at those temps is massive especially when humidity is high in the apartment, another thought I had was to put cooling fins on the Buhler´s kinda like on stock Fanatec only better/more if possible and then take a duct from AC and lead to the intake of CSW?
Although that is such a waste of energy imho but perhaps I should try it out lol? Another though was to cool down the air injected into Buhlers so that you can run lower pressure/less noise pump but suspect it would be highly inefficient in the end, pump heat up the hair but not that much I think.
Have already order 10K Ohm thermistors + 2 pin mini JST connectors for DIY temp sensor like stock motor package have but if wanting to experiment with cooling solutions I suspect I better get a temp probe that can read temperatures and directly send to a small display in real time when racing to keep an eye on temps even if only form outer shell of motors?
Is it possible using water @ 0 ppm, all I know my RO pumps out about 2-3ppm and not sure if I would dare to try that at least not on one of the Buhlers haha..
I suppose you also though about using peltier but those have the hot side we must cope with so also problematic, I thought that if I can only cool the motor to certain temps much lower the ambient even from the outside like a jacket it might be ok? Have also thought about using jackets and hook it up to my chiller set at 3-4c but it will creates so many other problems I have to cope with so not very doable anyway? Condensation from running a chiller at those temps is massive especially when humidity is high in the apartment, another thought I had was to put cooling fins on the Buhler´s kinda like on stock Fanatec only better/more if possible and then take a duct from AC and lead to the intake of CSW?
Although that is such a waste of energy imho but perhaps I should try it out lol? Another though was to cool down the air injected into Buhlers so that you can run lower pressure/less noise pump but suspect it would be highly inefficient in the end, pump heat up the hair but not that much I think.
Have already order 10K Ohm thermistors + 2 pin mini JST connectors for DIY temp sensor like stock motor package have but if wanting to experiment with cooling solutions I suspect I better get a temp probe that can read temperatures and directly send to a small display in real time when racing to keep an eye on temps even if only form outer shell of motors?
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Hey Blue your good that drifting stuff, I can never get my head around that part! 
Just about the hardest part there is to driving imho, nice video thanks for posting and looking all good
Just about the hardest part there is to driving imho, nice video thanks for posting and looking all good
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- boonerthegooner
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i dont have exel so i havent tried to make a graph, i could email you the data if you wanted to have a look at it. i measured across the terminals when it first arrived and got a figure of around ~13A.
@superslowme thanks, i have been drifting for quite a while and its my favourite style of driving
@superslowme thanks, i have been drifting for quite a while and its my favourite style of driving
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That's an important point. Mostly its the motor belt that can be too tight. After installing Eric's motors I tested against the soft stops and found the idler belt is where the slippage occurs even when good'in tight. Even after lowering the motor belt tension the idler belt was still the weak link.
Initially I had the motor belt so tight it would cause a slight flat spot over night that would go away after driving a bit. Loosening it some eliminated that and noticeably improve sensitivity with lower drag.
Been using the CSW with the Buhlers for some time almost daily. Eric's done some fine work on this mod.
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@Blue028 I can see that, have got to try that myself again have to stop avoiding it hehe..
It´s great for learning car control no doubt!
@MartyU yeah I hear you my friend, I had to try a few times before finding the perfect tension.
Regarding Erics mod agreed what an upgrade I´m still amazed every time I start up F1, everything I was looking for is there now like a heavier wheel with stronger FF and when hitting the curbs I can feel it in the wheel so much more.
It´s like the wheel communicate with me much better and you can truly feel the surface in a way the weaker Fanatec motors just could not deliver.
Have never updated the driver so never notice any difference, run ver. 177. Should I update?
It´s great for learning car control no doubt!
@MartyU yeah I hear you my friend, I had to try a few times before finding the perfect tension.
Regarding Erics mod agreed what an upgrade I´m still amazed every time I start up F1, everything I was looking for is there now like a heavier wheel with stronger FF and when hitting the curbs I can feel it in the wheel so much more.
It´s like the wheel communicate with me much better and you can truly feel the surface in a way the weaker Fanatec motors just could not deliver.
Have never updated the driver so never notice any difference, run ver. 177. Should I update?
