Fanatec CSW/CSR Elite Modders Thread *UPDATE February 2014*

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Very nice, envy..

May I ask if you did choose a more upright sitting position compared to real modern F1 racers for any specific reason?

Then again could be an illusion as well I guess + I can imagine it´s not as comfy laying almost flat they do in F1 today with feet so high up as well almost not seeing outside when racing?
Have never tried that flat position but looks uncomfy compared what yours look like?

superslowme,
actually, the position i have in the cockpit is the exact sitting position and angles that are in an actual F1 car.
a more upright position can work but one would not be able to use the headrest and your feet would feel odd (i would think). believe or not, this 'flat position' feels more aggressive than an upright position...
the seat is constructed to replicate the f1 seat. it is moulded to my body and is lined with a thin layer of soft rubber and alcantara.
the seat position is very comfortable...i have fallen asleep in there in the wee hours of the morning when i have worked on car and got to checking the sitting and seeing position. now i can sit in there for hours and hours on end.
the pedal position is important as well, as it would determine which part of your bum/back takes more of your weight. with an optimum sitting position in there, your weight can distribute very nicely over the entire line of the seat corresponding with your bum up to the back of your neck.
the amount of the track you see depends on many factors - FOV and camera position in the simulator programme (of course), physically - the level of the projectors and keystone value, and the height of the cockpit's nose and a little less on one's height. two other critical items are: first the track itself - you see less on an uphill gradient and at the crest of hills and secondly, whether or not you are accelerating or braking as these tend to, respectively, lift or depress the cockpit's nose.
i typically only see the track within three to four inches height of screen above the nose.
 
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@Eglan Superb work.

So there will be no aspect of a virtual car represented, and just what you physically have there? I'm seeing a couple of android phones embedded in the side view mirrors, acting as.... well..... side view mirrors.

LeMansAid,
Thanks
clever guy you are...i have enquired with ISI (rfactor) the possibility of being able to stream the mirror images to different screens, as i was planning to use my old iPhones as the mirrors, but they said that this is not possible at the moment:(
with rfactor 2 allowing you the options of cockpit view with only the wheels or wheels and suspensions, it works beautifully. with these view options without the side mirrors, rfactor provides a rearview mirror at the top of the screen, which allows you to see cars around you that you are battling with.
 
As other's have stated, AMAZING flipping job Eglan, BE VERY proud of what you've accomplished. Its a Piece of Art imo.


More details on the Modded F1 rim please.

nick,
the modded wheel is fanatec's Formula rim where i have created, effectively, an outer encasement containing a F1 style display and 7 rotary switches to add to the existing buttons already on the steering wheel.
tried to upload a photo but getting an error
 
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steering wheel with modding
 
Lol, ok, so Eglan. Where is St. Lucia again? I think I'm going to hail a cab to take me for a visit! (Kidding, but WOW that looks great!) Totally outstanding work buddy! Do you do carpentry for a living? Or maybe auto bodywork? Really first class looking work! My compliments to the chef! :bowdown:

:cheers:
 
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you guys are something else...
not a carpenter or body worker...had to almost do everything twice and not accept mediocre results...
it is critical to have the CAD and printing capabilities at hand...
had to buy tools, and learn fibre glassing and body working...
being in st lucia presents stiff challenges and requires innovations, since very little of the specialist materials are available on island. had to stalk the hardware stores and get stuff like aluminium sections and tubings, allen key bolts, carbon fibre wrap and these sort of things from the US and UK.
the stainless steel of the pedals' support and projector stand were done by a stainless steel workshop down the road, about 8minutes from my house...
the stitching and alcantara work on the seat was done by an upholster friend of mine...
the spray job was done by a professional outfit...
 
lol:lol:
you guys are something else...
not a carpenter or body worker...had to almost do everything twice and not accept mediocre results...
it is critical to have the CAD and printing capabilities at hand...
had to buy tools, and learn fibre glassing and body working...
being in st lucia presents stiff challenges and requires innovations, since very little of the specialist materials are available on island. had to stalk the hardware stores and get stuff like aluminium sections and tubings, allen key bolts, carbon fibre wrap and these sort of things from the US and UK.
the stainless steel of the pedals' support and projector stand were done by a stainless steel workshop down the road, about 8minutes from my house...
the stitching and alcantara work on the seat was done by an upholster friend of mine...
the spray job was done by a professional outfit...

Can you explain a little about how you used CAD, was this for chassis body fabrication purposes? How did you get the dimensions to create the fiberglass molds to do the glassing?

Also, the removable panels on the body, are they for functionality reason or just true to detail of F1 (just curious)
 
Can you explain a little about how you used CAD, was this for chassis body fabrication purposes? How did you get the dimensions to create the fiberglass molds to do the glassing?

Also, the removable panels on the body, are they for functionality reason or just true to detail of F1 (just curious)

lemansfanatic,
yes, CAD was for the fabrication of the chassis body. i used it to draw the chassis to dimensions as set out by the FIA 2009 Formula One technical regulations. along with tonnes of photos of just about every car style on the grid from the ferrari F2012, to red bull RB9, to mercedes W04 was able to appreciate the interpretations of these regulations. for example, i was aiming for the side view mirrors to look as slick as the lotus E20 mirrors...they ended up looking more like the W04 :embarrassed:but meet the minimum 50x150 face required by the regulations.
i used CAD to print out the chassis' wood frame (or skeleton), which formed the base for the fibreglass 'skin' in a manner of traditional boatbuilding. i did not made a negative mould.
the panels are created by cuttings through the fibreglass 'skin' but are not for functional reasons. by the time i thought to make them functional, i had not catered for this in the construction of my frame...
 
The links are not offline per se, the whole site is temporarily down. It should be back up shortly. If not, I'll move the files somewhere else. In the meantime, if you need them and don't want to wait, PM me your email address and I'll send them to you. As you can imagine, I get a lot of emails and PMs, sometimes I miss one. I'll check for yours and get back.

If I ever don't answer anyone, don't hesitate to send another message guys! I've noticed that sometimes the notifications get wonky when I'm using my phone.
 
Nice Steve! Well have you tried it yet? How does the linearity look with that puppy? I'm guessing you'd have to leave the rear cover off to use it, eh? That's one thing I definitely wanted to avoid. Is that a Bühler motor? Looks like one. Probably very expensive for a new one though. What are the motor specs? I'm curious about the rotor inertia. The bigger the motor the worse it gets - that's bad for quick reversals. I've thought about trying this with a smaller neodymium magnet motor to get the advantages without the negatives but the prices are just astronomical.
 
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superslowme,
actually, the position i have in the cockpit is the exact sitting position and angles that are in an actual F1 car.
a more upright position can work but one would not be able to use the headrest and your feet would feel odd (i would think). believe or not, this 'flat position' feels more aggressive than an upright position...
the seat is constructed to replicate the f1 seat. it is moulded to my body and is lined with a thin layer of soft rubber and alcantara.
the seat position is very comfortable...i have fallen asleep in there in the wee hours of the morning when i have worked on car and got to checking the sitting and seeing position. now i can sit in there for hours and hours on end.
the pedal position is important as well, as it would determine which part of your bum/back takes more of your weight. with an optimum sitting position in there, your weight can distribute very nicely over the entire line of the seat corresponding with your bum up to the back of your neck.
the amount of the track you see depends on many factors - FOV and camera position in the simulator programme (of course), physically - the level of the projectors and keystone value, and the height of the cockpit's nose and a little less on one's height. two other critical items are: first the track itself - you see less on an uphill gradient and at the crest of hills and secondly, whether or not you are accelerating or braking as these tend to, respectively, lift or depress the cockpit's nose.
i typically only see the track within three to four inches height of screen above the nose.

Now you made me almost cry (of envy) here it´s just perfect the best one I´v ever seen by far! :D

It was an illusion from looking at the images then, I should have known better everything else is just so stunning I really want one but perhaps not as practical for me cause have no space and cannot afford the projectors but one day???

I have a ordinary 16:9 120" white gain 1.0 screen + a old Infocus IN series projector and that is not quite up to standard compared to yours, perhaps VR could be an alternative in a near future for a bit less money and don´t have to look at the boring CSL I sit in?
 
experimenting with single motor config

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this motor alone weighs about 1KG! all i can say is, its a beast.
Nice Steve! Well have you tried it yet? How does the linearity look with that puppy? I'm guessing you'd have to leave the rear cover off to use it, eh? That's one thing I definitely wanted to avoid. Is that a Bühler motor? Looks like one. Probably very expensive for a new one though. What are the motor specs? I'm curious about the rotor inertia. The bigger the motor the worse it gets - that's bad for quick reversals. I've thought about trying this with a smaller neodymium magnet motor to get the advantages without the negatives but the prices are just astronomical.
My ECCI 7000 has finally seen some use (had to do floor, walls, ceiling, soundproofing, etc, etc, etc, before I could set up). Not sure how the motors compare, but I've found that it takes maybe half an hour of usage for the motor to show any signs of heat. Three hours on, and it'll still only be slightly warm. That's just touching the can.

If it's useful, some specs for the ECCI motor:
Rated voltage: 24 VDC
36.5 oz-in continuous torque
284 oz-in peak torque
No load speed 3,216 rpm
Torque constant (Kt) = 10 oz-in / amp
Voltage constant (Ke) = 7.39 volts / krpm
Resistance (R) = 0.84 ohms
Inductance (I) = 1.36 mh
Length (motor only) = 5"

I assume that they knew what they were doing when choosing a motor.
 
Yeah, but at 10 oz/in per amp, and 284 oz/in peak, you're looking at a 28+ amp stall current. Not gonna fly with the Fanatec PCB without serious modification.
 
It's still a buhler motor, and still running on the same power supply as the twin buhler setup. It's similar to the motor in the t500 but slightly longer, I have tested it but only limiting myself to 1-2 laps on a very all track in LFS (I haven't fitted the cooling yet). It feels excellent so far, the single motor has noticeably less freewheel drag than the twin setup, it's very torquey an I have encountered a lot of belt slip on the small reduction pulley which I didn't have with the twin setup, I'm hoping that giving the belts and pulleys a good scrub will solve that problem though. The motor is so long that the PCB won't fit in the standard position, I'm planing to make a bracket to shift it sideways enough to clear the motor, then the connections won't line up with the back cover so I'll have to leave that off. I really need to get that wheel check program to test the linearity but it felt good to me
 
Interesting. Which model number is it? Have you priced any new ones? You really do need to get Wheelcheck up, and I would be interested in seeing a stall torque measurement/calculation for sure. The freewheel drag isn't super critical really unless it helps linearity - I don't even notice any difference from stock when the wheel is powered on personally. I can only feel a difference when the wheel is off - and then it's just a bit more than stock. On my wheel at least - belt adjustment makes a very large difference to freewheeling drag.

Steve, you almost have your own wheel there, it's been so Frankensteined from Fanatec's original, lol. I like it!
 
Oh, not as a one for one swap or anything. Just thought it might be useful as a reference point.

Well without knowing how they are driving the motor in terms of max current to the motor from the PCB. it's hard to say how they would compare really. The motor you spec'd is capable of about 2.5Nm (2500mNm) of torque at full stall - I doubt that they are running it unlimited though. That motor's continuous torque rating is almost as high as a single Buhler 1.13.046.404 at stall (290mNm).
 
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