Fate, Karma, co-incidence, or something else?

[Sam48]

What if every event in human history were the doing of the inner soul, but our souls-our existence- were thoroughly and intricately intertwined? What if our actions, as humans, affected more than just the logical effects?

I'm not sure "inner soul" would be the correct terminology, rather, subconscious. As far as we know, our sub conscience minds work independent of of conscience minds (Although they are one in the same). In other words, what we think is the result of what boils up from within our sub conscience to our conscience mind. And for all we know, our sub-conscience minds could have a sub conscience. And this could repeat for a long time.

Mind you, I could be terribly wrong.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I'm not sure "inner soul" would be the correct terminology, rather, subconscious. As far as we know, our sub conscience minds work independent of of conscience minds (Although they are one in the same). In other words, what we think is the result of what boils up from within our sub conscience to our conscience mind. And for all we know, our sub-conscience minds could have a sub conscience. And this could repeat for a long time.

Mind you, I could be terribly wrong.

That's true, actually.

 

[NizmoDr3]

Everything in life happens for a reason.

There is no fate, destiny or coincidence. God has a plan for everyone and everything in life. What you want right now may not be the the best time for it to happen. People are always entering and exiting your life. The people who stay, even for a short while, are there to fill some purpose in your life that you may not know about or even consider in that point in time. I have had people come and go in my life and I have realized that ALL of them has had a certain impact in my life. Even the bad impacts has proven to be useful that I have learnt from ...

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Hey Niz, intriguing! Certainly, your idea's quite logical, and seems correct enough. I really wish, though, that this thread were more than just discussion of ideas that are already out there.


Some people have put up some stories, but, I'm just curious if anyone else thinks that some things are just too unpredictable, too absurd, and too incredible to be explained with science and logic. Is there something, like that, which seems like fate, Karma, or co-incidence, that can barely be explained through logic?

 

[NizmoDr3]

This thread is more of different peoples opinions than ideas ... everyone in this world believes in one thing or another ...
IMO, Science and Logic do not go hand in hand ... to me the world is black or white, yes or no, but life is full of unpredictability ... Life can never be explained. Whoever says they know what's going to happen or they have all the answers in life is talking through their ... 🤬

And that's what makes life so exciting ... the unpredictable ... you never know whats going to happen next or who's around the next corner ...

Life is to be enjoyed without having to worry about things you can not control ...

Is it fate?
Whas it a coincidence ... BS ...

Life is what you make of it ... IF LIFE WAS BASED ON IF'S AND BUT'S THEN WE'D ALL HAVE A MERRY 🤬 CHRISTMAS ...

Mel, don't worry about if it's fate or karma about this girl. If it's meant to be, then it will be. If not then the Big Man upstairs has got the perfect one for you already, but the time is not right. You're still young man. Enjoy life at its prime. Don't worry about this arbitrary BS ...

 

[niky]

Uh... Science and Logic do go hand-in-hand. Without Logic, there is no Science. The only difference between the two is that Science requires the extra step of empirical evidence, whereas Logic doesn't care if the premise is false or fantasy, just that the forms are followed.

 

[NizmoDr3]

Uh... Science and Logic do go hand-in-hand. Without Logic, there is no Science. The only difference between the two is that Science requires the extra step of empirical evidence, whereas Logic doesn't care if the premise is false or fantasy, just that the forms are followed.

Maybe you right. But what does Science or Logic have to do with fate, karma or coincidence anyway? There is never a Scientific or Logical fact of why certain things happen in life ...

 

[niky]

Maybe you right. But what does Science or Logic have to do with fate, karma or coincidence anyway? There is never a Scientific or Logical fact of why certain things happen in life ...

Events can be explained by science. But you can't always predict events before they happen... Modelling the decision-making processes of billions of people and how the interactions of these decisions result in two people being in the same place at the same time is impossible... Which is why life is so wonderful.

 

[NizmoDr3]

But science cannot explain why you will bump into an old friend you haven't seen for 25 years though ... Science could explain cataclysmic events or even simply the weather or how the earth works, but surely not for a person's everyday experiences ...

 

[Jubby]

mel, i totally understand where your coming from, last year i went to the v8 supercars bathurst 1000, we had everything planned camp on top of the mountain, do it the traditional aussie way, we got there on wednesday morning setup our camp and went to the track, when all the days festivities were over we returned to our camp site and other people had arrived and setup camps around us, (as it is a campground lol) whilst organising dinner out of the trailer a blonde girl caught my eye, as i was hammered drunk i said hey you look my old friend katie.... she turned and said, funny that my name is katie, then she recognised me, (nothing amounted other then friendship out of this) having said all this are currently 25yonow, the last time we seen each other we were in school together approx 11-12 yo at the time, i had moved almost 700kms away and hadnt seen her since that year of school, honestly it got me thinking, and im an athiest....

Without trying to poke holes in the story, I'll speak generally. So, this isn't aimed at you, Dave, at all.

I imagine most of us have had meet ups 5-10 or more years after a last encounter with a friend/lover/crush of some type. To me, it's not a matter of fate and not necessarily co-incidence. It's just who we are. I'll explain: If two people went to school and hung out (etc) chances are they are somewhat close in geographic, social, and/or economic status with a predisposition to certain things.

In Dave's example above, he met up with someone that he knew years ago at one of the biggest motor sport events, if not in the country, in the world. If you grow up in Australia, it's definitely one of the bigger sports and events. This is luck.

If I met up with a girl I knew from out of state (across the country) that I only knew for year briefly, and we met again at the F1 GP at Silverstone... that'd be either very lucky or meant to be. ---Wouldn't my wife be irked

I believe karma does exist, especially in small items. I think we're more likely to see a return in karma in a "give a penny/take a penny" scenario. You give a penny selflessly, you're probably going to see a positive action back. You won't know when or that it's been paid forward. If you take a penny selfishly, you'll probably see a negative action. I wonder if the reason some of us don't recognize karma is that they don't realize it's happened or it's so obscured (or even too far apart) that we can't put the two actions together. I do believe that the actions in this life will carry forward to what happens next- whatever it ultimately is- but we may not ever know the sum total. I think this is how the people who do the ultimate good or bad get what they deserve, whether it be in this life or the next.

 

[homeforsummer]

But, you guys imagine, then, that co-incidences happen thousands of times a day?

With seven billion people on the planet and realistically a finite number of places for them to go, it's inevitable that people might coincidentally meet.

I've experienced plenty of "small world" occurrences before. Most recently, I discovered that one of the journalists I've spoken to a few times recently, coincidentally knows one of my old friends from school. He lives in a completely different part of the country, and we've met entirely through professional outlets, but he's good friends with an old school friend.

It's not fate, and really it's made little to no difference in my life, it's just an interesting coincidence.

 

[TheCracker]

With seven billion people on the planet and realistically a finite number of places for them to go, it's inevitable that people might coincidentally meet.

I've experienced plenty of "small world" occurrences before. Most recently, I discovered that one of the journalists I've spoken to a few times recently, coincidentally knows one of my old friends from school. He lives in a completely different part of the country, and we've met entirely through professional outlets, but he's good friends with an old school friend.

It's not fate, and really it's made little to no difference in my life, it's just an interesting coincidence.

Not to mention the fact that you and i both probably spent big chunks of our childhoods (and beyond) in houses no more than 20 yards apart - although not at the same time. Yet 'met' here at GTPlanet.

 

[axletramp]

Is that true? Interesting if it is. I only found out this year that my wife had worked with a member of this forum when she was living in Liverpool.

Also, that very same wife was my ex-wife's best friend. Small world, eh?

 

[niky]

But science cannot explain why you will bump into an old friend you haven't seen for 25 years though ... Science could explain cataclysmic events or even simply the weather or how the earth works, but surely not for a person's everyday experiences ...

Statistics can tell you how likely you are to meet again. If you lived in the same hometown, or ran in the same circles and had the same educational background and opportunities, the chances are pretty good you will see each other again in the future.

Like HFS says, the world is only so big...

Science cannot predict the series of decisions that will lead you to both being in that same spot twenty five years after you parted ways, but that's simply because the data sets and factors are too complex. It's not that science cannot explain it, it's simply that the raw computing power to do a 100% accurate simulation does not exist.

Again, makes no matter. The decisions each of you make are made by each of you, whether they're predictable or not.

 

[homeforsummer]

Is that true? Interesting if it is.

Yup. Cracker and I are both quite familiar not just with one estate, but with one street. We just weren't both living on it at the same time. Though I suspect that, given the fact I've been living here for 12 years now, there was only a small period when neither one of us was here.

 

[TheCracker]

Yeah, a quick calculation puts me, or my parents, not having lived there for almost 20 years now. Christ, that makes me feel old.

 

[Callum B]

I like to think that I have full control over my life and I think that most happen for no reason, I don't think anything is meant to happen it just does.