Ferrari F458 Italia
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This is basically:
MP4-12C > 650S
458 Italia > 488 GTB
MP4-12C > 650S
458 Italia > 488 GTB
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- NaveekDarkroom
Huh.It's called the 488 GTB. 660hp from a 3.9l twin-turbo V8.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...8-gtb-engine-details-launch-date-and-pictures
Ferrari 488... Wouldn't this technically be a 398? The name of most, if not all of Ferrari's numerically named mid engine cars have corresponded to the displacement (Okay, the 288 GTO has a 2.9 liter), including the outgoing 458. Oh well. Regardless, with 660 horsepower, it's gonna be a rocket. The outgoing car can already hit 60 in 3 seconds and top 200. Not sure about the 458 Speciale, but I'm sure it could reach it in under 3. I'm betting on the 488 hitting 60 in 2.7.
EDIT: Car and Driver's article has landed. Apparently 488 is the displacement per cylinder. I guess that works.
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I think, like with Mercedes and BMW, the model numeric designation no longer corresponds to engine displacement because of turbocharging. Where with normally aspirated engines you can fairly safely assume that a 4.5 will be more powerful than a 3.9, with turbocharging this logic is flipped on it's head. I think Ferrari fears people would see 398 as a downgrade from 458. I think it's stupid, but whatever. 488 GTB sounds pretty cool to be honest though.
I think in Ferrari's impossible quest to take all of the turbocharged character out of the their turbocharged engines, they have made an engine without much character at all. At least that's what I've read about the California T. I wish they would truly embrace the turbocharger if they are going to utilize it. The F40 is so immense and legendary because of its turbocharged engine, not in spite of it.
I think in Ferrari's impossible quest to take all of the turbocharged character out of the their turbocharged engines, they have made an engine without much character at all. At least that's what I've read about the California T. I wish they would truly embrace the turbocharger if they are going to utilize it. The F40 is so immense and legendary because of its turbocharged engine, not in spite of it.
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I dont think we can make a judgment based on the Cal-T at the moment tbh, Alhough i see what you what you're saying about not embracing the turbo
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- catamount39
Maybe if they make a 488 GTB Speciale they'll give it more raw turbo-ness. Turbo chirp, lag, spooling, stuff like that.
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Yeah, I'm okay with the 488 name, and I'm neutral towards how BMW and M-B name things. My reaction to the name was similar to my reaction to the Ford GT getting a V6. But fearing people would see "60 less" as a downgrade is stupid. I guess you could say the same about effing up the naming logic when you have turbos. Turbos add power. They don't change the displacement of the engine. "Virtual displacement" sounds stupid. I think BMW uses that terminology to justify their naming conventions with their all turbo car lineup. Well, all turbo if you don't count the range extender scooter engine you can get as an option on the i3. I guess calling it the 398 and keeping conventions was just too hard when you have a forced induction engine or something. Regardless, I'm okay with the 488 name, even if I don't know how it's 30 better than the 458.
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Actually, it's not because of that. Ferrari always named their cars after the displacement per cylinder. 3900 / 8 = 487.5, hence 488.
As for the car, I was quite afraid a turbo Ferrari was going to suck. Glad to see I was wrong. 660hp at 8000rpm and looks that have Woking in tears; it's like a 288 GTO for the masses (a-ehrm) of 2015. And I love the 288 GTO.
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I guess it's a love or hate car...because I'm in love with it.
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Are you sure about that?
Because that would mean the F360 would be the F450, the F430 would be the F540, and the 458 would be the 563.
From my understanding, the naming convention Ferrari used to use (and briefly reintroduced with the 458) was that the first two numbers indicated displacement (in bizarre decileters) and the third indicated the number of cylinders.
246 : 2.4 liters and 6 cylinders
512 : 5 liters and 12 cylinders
308 : 3 liters and 8 cylinders
348 : 3.4 liters and 8 cylinders
458 : 4.5 liters and 8 cylinders
412 : 4 liters and 12 cylinders
612 : 6 liters and 12 cylinders
Many of their cars have broken this rule though, such as the F360 and F430 which seem to be pure displacement with no cylinder count indication. Or sometimes they like to do trivial things like indicate how many valves per cylinder the car has, in the case of the F355.
edit: It appears you are correct on some of their older V12 cars, like the 250 and 365 series. I don't think they have used the per cylinder measurement/designation in a very long time though.
In the end, they are a bunch of impetuous Italians and they do what they want. The obvious connection to the 288 GTO is pretty irresistible, so I totally understand 488.
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The displacement per cylinder in ml was the primary nomenclature for V12 and I4 Ferraris from the beginning until about the mid 60s. The 125 to 159 to 166 to 212 to 250 to 275 etc. line of Colombo engines never deviated from this scheme and it's well known for that application, but it was also used for naming Lampredi I4s and V12s until the 500 Superfast of 1965(?). There after though, the scheme has been used sparingly, last used for the 456 GT I think.
I don't think they've ever used that nomenclature for a V6 or V8 though, traditionally named after displacement in dl + cylinder count, or, more recently, after total displacement in cl.
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I like how this looks Waaaaaaaay more than the 458, even the speciale. The side inlets are a bit big for my liking but you gotta keep those turbos cool (guessing that's where the intercoolers are). The rear looks absolutely amazing, I'm very glad they got rid of the ridiculous front end flaps and the headlights look meaner without changing much.
For me the 458 looked bad for the first year or so, then I got used to it and even developed a liking but this one makes it looks uglier and dated instantly.
I wonder if 458S vaules will stay high for being the last of the NA V8s. Also wonder how many people will just add aftermarket forced induction to their 458 to achieve 488 levels of power with just a few pounds of boost.
For me the 458 looked bad for the first year or so, then I got used to it and even developed a liking but this one makes it looks uglier and dated instantly.
I wonder if 458S vaules will stay high for being the last of the NA V8s. Also wonder how many people will just add aftermarket forced induction to their 458 to achieve 488 levels of power with just a few pounds of boost.
I actually always thought of the 360 and 430 as entirely different but now that you make these comparisons, that was probably because those cars were more contemporary with my age, making me able to discern differences more clearly.
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Hah, no. I totally forgot about the 80s-to-early-2000 nomenclature system. And about any other Ferrari but the early I4 and V12 racing cars and few else. Totally dropped the ball on that one, and it's quite embarassing for a fan of road-going Ferraris such as me.
Still, they basically dropped all other nomenclatures with the introduction of the 599 in 2007, if I recall correctly (and I may not). So nowadays it is safe to assume that if a Ferrari has a 3-digits number name, it refers to the displacement per cylinder.
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Hate to break it to you, but the 599 was named after it's total engine displacement of 599 cl. The last three 3-digit Ferrari names all derive from different schemes:
599 = 599 cl total displacement
458 = 45 dl total displacement, 8 cylinders
488 = 488 ml single cylinder displacement
Certainly inconsistent.
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The images aren't the final car are they?
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It's certainly looking less subtle and less clean than the 458 Italia, but I like its looks better than that of the 458 Speciale. I'm really liking what they did with the curves shaped through the nostrils. The hood of the base 458 always felt rather empty to me, especially with bright colors like Giallo Modena where you could barely notice the dividing line on its center. However, the creases created through the nostrils of the 458 Speciale made the car's face look rather crude and vulgar, taking away some prettiness. (it would look a lot better if you have the car in a dark color along with the optional stripes) But the nostrils on the 488 GTB don't make the car look vulgar to me, and at the same time they take away the emptiness which was on the base 458 Italia.
I think the F1-inspired front wing looks awkwardly positioned though. The two connecting plates on the center make me think of a beaver's tooth and the ugly SP FFX. Well, at least they don't paint those particular parts white. I'm also not sure if I like the lines before the air intake which cave inward, and the rear end sometimes looks like a turtle looking back at me.
Also, looks like they don't put the launch control button on a relic from the prehistoric era, and that's a good thing.
Overall, I have mixed feelings, but at least it does look like a vicious animal without being hideous. It's the kind of persona I'd want to see on the 458's successor, although...err...in terms of looks this seems more of a facelift. Like how the 328 GTB was to the 308 GTB, I suppose.
I think the F1-inspired front wing looks awkwardly positioned though. The two connecting plates on the center make me think of a beaver's tooth and the ugly SP FFX. Well, at least they don't paint those particular parts white. I'm also not sure if I like the lines before the air intake which cave inward, and the rear end sometimes looks like a turtle looking back at me.
Also, looks like they don't put the launch control button on a relic from the prehistoric era, and that's a good thing.
Overall, I have mixed feelings, but at least it does look like a vicious animal without being hideous. It's the kind of persona I'd want to see on the 458's successor, although...err...in terms of looks this seems more of a facelift. Like how the 328 GTB was to the 308 GTB, I suppose.
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Here's a very well written design analysis of the new 488 GTB on Jalopnik.
http://motordawg.kinja.com/ferrari-488-gtb-design-analysis-1684480976/+Kyosuke
http://motordawg.kinja.com/ferrari-488-gtb-design-analysis-1684480976/+Kyosuke
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I wouldn't say its very well written nor really an analysis. It's more like, "here is what's different about the 488 compared to the 458." I h8 Jalopnik.
Edit: I see now that it isn't Japopnik.
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Who needs doors anyway when you have no roof!
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Natural light helps the look.
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I can't believe it....it looks even more amazing!
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Looks like a more elegant 458 but I don't like the lower front fascia. It looks heavy handed. It also looks pretty big. It's not bigger than the 458, I'm sure, but that's not a small car.
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I just noticed how large the greenhouse is on the car. It's like you can really see out of it. Quite the concept for a modern car.
