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A out the pp system I was referring to chases post about stock cars and 450pp racing. Saying that there were going to be unbalanced cars in the races.
 
daddyo845
A out the pp system I was referring to chases post about stock cars and 450pp racing. Saying that there were going to be unbalanced cars in the races.
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Gotcha. The pp system being very broken is probably why the 450pp club didn't work as well as desired. In order to do something like that with stock cars you'd have to test and hand-pick a certain group of cars at that range that you already know (from testing) are equal. Leaving it open to "any 450pp" non-tuned car is going to have wildly varying results.
 
Yeah I learned quite quickly the Pp system did not offer balance, we still had target lap times but you would have to find a car that suited you.
It required alot more testing than we had time for too.
It was one of the reasons for the change of focus in the series, to more themed races. But even then some cars had greater strengths over others at the same level.

Back then I was still new to knowing who was who and therefore reluctant to use the open tuning system to its benefit.
I'm very confident this will work with us, as has been mentioned we are all hear for the same (and right) reasons, and know each other quite well now.

I am certainly looking forward to it, and would happily offer to run a alternative timed race if the timezones buggeration becomes an issue!
 
hobbsy
Back then I was still new to knowing who was who and therefore reluctant to use the open tuning system to its benefit.
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When it comes to tuning I'm still pretty much an all-or-nothing guy, with my preference being nothing doing. I know some people have tried to rely on the honor system (only install non-adjustable suspension and non-adjustable transmission) but I don't have enough faith in humanity for that to work (myself included!) :lol:

With the parity method it's a different kind of tuning, mainly just adding/removing speed to hit a target time. You don't have to worry about wither a softer or harder spring rate would be best, or where your ride height should be, or what camber/toe to use......that stuff is only necessary if you want it to be. For those like me who hate that stuff, we won't have to touch it and that won't put us at a disadvantage. For those who like to tinker, they can adjust all that stuff to their hearts content but we'll all still be doing the same exact lap times (within a couple tenths anyway). And since the room shows us the fastest time and who set the fastest time, we can easily call someone out if they exceed the target. 👍
 
If we need all of the cars to be able to hit the same speed, are we going to buy adjustable transmissions? And by top speed do you mean overall top speed or top speed on the longest straight on a given track?
 
daddyo845
If we need all of the cars to be able to hit the same speed, are we going to buy adjustable transmissions? And by top speed do you mean overall top speed or top speed on the longest straight on a given track?
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If the car needs an adjustable transmission, then yes. There will be no limit on tuning. You can slam it, put a fart-can exhaust on it, but a big wang on the back, whatever you want. 👍

And yes, the top speed limit will be the actual top speed of the car at the end of the longest straight and not the theoretical top speed of your transmission settings. This is the trickiest but most crucial part, here's why it's necessary: you could get a beast of a car that's wicked fast on the straights but complete rubbish in the turns which results in the same lap time as a nimble and less powerful car. In practice, the beast is going to walk past the nimble car on the straights and then it will be real hard for the nimble car to get around it in the turns. And even if it did, the beast would just gobble it up on the next straight. That's not parity. We want the cars to be doing roughly the same speed down the straight so that none of them have a lopsided advantage. Nothing wrong with having power cars vs. handling cars, but they need to be balanced and putting a top speed limit on them makes that possible. 👍
 
amarynceos
:odd:

Come on now, we all know big wangs only go on the front of this year's F1 cars. :scared:

:lol:
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Unless you're Lotus and go for the double dong wang nose. We're all just waiting for this to happen:

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9 months later, we'd have this!
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:mad: that first corner in Daytona is killing me without ABS :lol: , any advices from the veterans out there :confused:
looking forward to the ferrari festival final event although I'll be might not able to make my name shining on the damn wall of champions :D :cheers:
 
Just sold my Fanatec GT3 RS! Got a good price too...

I would suggest the reason why they appear to be cheap now, is because there have been several model released since this model.
So therefore, they are a less desired choice.

I would rate this wheel very highly, as it does the job very well and is one of the best looking wheels you can get, plus the alcantara rim is great ;)

Edit: oh yes and you do only get a wheel, no pedals!

I only had the wheel left over, from selling my clubsport pedals with a newer wheel. So I manage to find a set of G27 pedals on ebay for £35, and then sold the whole pair together for £170.

You should get the pedal adapter included if your buying new, so this is an option
 
Litchi
Off topic:

Well, I'm finally decided to buy a wheel.

But I still hesitate between 2 models:
- Fanatec Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2
- G27 Racing wheel

I don't understand why the fanatec is so cheap...

Any suggestion?
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You.....you.......you use a controller?? :nervous: We'll be in trouble once you adapt to the wheel! :lol:

I've had both wheels. I've had several Logitech wheels and used to shout their praises from the hilltops until my G27 succumbed to a known fault where they used a plastic encoder wheel instead of a metal one, which eventually leads to it cracking and not operating correctly. I attempted to repair it but managed to somehow kill it in the process, so I switched to the Fanatec GT3 RS.

The G27 is a good wheel but after my experience (and seeing many others having the same problem including our very own @amarynceos) I can never recommend one. The GT3 RS is in the same class as the G27 but IMO it's slightly better in almost every way. It's smoother, quieter, slightly bigger which feels better (more real) in your hands, the on-wheel adjustments for steering rotation, FFB, etc. are really nice to have and come in handy at times (especially if you ever play F1 2013). I have the CSR Elite pedals, with load-cell, and these alone make the Fanatec an absolute win over the Logitech. They are a superb bit of kit and the control you get is a different world than the G27 pedals, and I attribute most of my new found speed and ability to these pedals. My braking is so much more controlled and precise, it leads to more consistency and more ability, I can make minute adjustments under heavy braking moments that really weren't possible with the G27 and that has kept me out of the barriers many times.

I'm sure @hobbsy will sing the praise of the Thrustmaster, which is in a different class, but one of the great things about Fanatec is the ability to mix-and-match their products. You can start off with the GT3 RS and CSR Elite pedals to get started and then down the road you can upgrade to a Clubsport wheel which is more on par with the Thrustmaster. You can also add on their Clubsport shifter (which looks awesome) and if you go to PC land they now offer a proper handbrake. Because of all these factors, I'm now Fanatec 4Life. 👍


turnupdaheat
The Fanatec looks cheap because the price quoted is only for the wheel itself. Pedals are not included and have to be bought separately.

http://eu.fanatec.com/Pedals
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Actually, they have a combo deal that also gets you the CSR Elite pedals (with load cell) for $229 USD which is a freaking bargain. http://us.fanatec.com/index.php?route=module/configurator For some added enjoyment, add the very affordable CSR shifter set, I absolutely LOVE using my sequential shifter and very rarely touch the paddles. http://us.fanatec.com/Shifters?product_id=126
 
hobbsy
Very Much so 👍, although I'm looking forward to the release of the T1000 (:sly: shhhh!!!)
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But the Thrustmaster is way way more expensive than the GT3 RS combo, correct? I think the GT3 RS combo is a very affordable way to start off with a good quality wheel/pedals, but it allows for easy upgrades in the future. And the Clubsport wheels are on the same level as the Thrustmaster from what I understand. The G27 is not upgradable in any way, besides adding a better spring to the brake pedal.
 
BrandonW77
You.....you.......you use a controller?? :nervous: We'll be in trouble once you adapt to the wheel! :lol:
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Yea, since GT1, 15 years ago... ;)

So, if I understand correctly, I just need the wheel base + pedals, right? Nothing more to add? And about pedals, I see that the CSR Elite are a way more expensive than the Standard CSR. Is there a so big quality difference between those 2?
 
Litchi
Yea, since GT1, 15 years ago... ;)

So, if I understand correctly, I just need the wheel base + pedals, right? Nothing more to add? And about pedals, I see that the CSR Elite are a way mor expensive than the Standard CSR. Is there a so big quality difference between those 2?
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Just to clarify, "wheel base" I believe is for the more expensive Clubsport wheels and it's literally just the base to which you can attach different wheels to. The GT3 RS is an all-in-one piece, the "base" and wheel are connected for eternity. But yes, if you go to the "bundles" section of the Fanatec website you will see a bundle that has the GT3 and the CSR Elite pedals together for a great price.

The CSR Elite's are way better than the standard CSR pedals. Much better build-quality and they have the load-cell on the brake pedal which the standard CSR's don't have (and that makes all the difference in the world). The standard CSR's are basically toys, the CSR Elite's are a serious bit of kit and are very nearly identical to the full Clubsport pedals. The bundle with the GT3 and CSR Elite pedals should be the basically the same price as the G27. 👍
 
Ok so here is my combo then:

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Just hope I don't forget anything. I'll order it once you guys say that my choice is all good 👍
 
What's wrong with being fast with a controller? I've always used a controller. Now I'm not fast, but I've improved a lot over the years and even in these last couple months that I've been at gtplanet and met you guys. What was that... 7 months ago? Something like that. But I know for sure, when I first came here I could not keep up with @KingKlingeling, but now I can. Getting around him is another thing :lol: yes I have a wheel, but I'm not good with it at all and it's a very cheap Logitech model. One of the problems is that I don't have a racing seat for it and to use it, I would have to sit in the couch which is not exactly comfortable.
 
daddyo845
What's wrong with being fast with a controller? I've always used a controller. Now I'm not fast, but I've improved a lot over the years and even in these last couple months that I've been at gtplanet and met you guys. What was that... 7 months ago? Something like that. But I know for sure, when I first came here I could not keep up with @KingKlingeling, but now I can. Getting around him is another thing :lol:
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Actually, I don't buy a wheel to be even faster on the track. I just want to have an other racing experience. I confess I'm a bit bored about controller after 15 years. Just want to try something new ;)
 
BrandonW77
But the Thrustmaster is way way more expensive than the GT3 RS combo, correct? I think the GT3 RS combo is a very affordable way to start off with a good quality wheel/pedals, but it allows for easy upgrades in the future. And the Clubsport wheels are on the same level as the Thrustmaster from what I understand. The G27 is not upgradable in any way, besides adding a better spring to the brake pedal.
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Well... that depends!

First off, I don't see that bundle on the Europe Site of Fanatec anymore, and then there is shipping!
So the Price we get is 367 Euros!!!

With Thrustmaster there is now this option too

http://www.thrustmaster.com/press/t300-rs-first-official-force-feedback-wheel-playstation-4 (& PS3 compatible)

Prices appear to be about the same as above option. Or You can still get the T500RS on Amazon for 382 Euros! So there is not a lot in it right now.

Personally I would be inclined to lean towards the T300RS. From recent reviews the base is as good as the T500, it has the same ability to swap the rim for any of the T500 rims, the same goes for the pedals and shifter too!

Also (and I know that the Thrustmaster is considered a higher end wheel, but...) before I sold the GT3 RS, I gave it a quick blast on GT6 and I was shocked at how much better I felt that the T500 was over the GT3... I could never go back to the GT3 after the T500. Which was saddening to learn as I really enjoyed that wheel, and had been holding onto it for the last 2yrs because of this.

I would add though, I Upgraded from the GT3 RS to the CSR wheel (not the clubsport) which is the same base as the GT3 but had the extra benefit of being compatible with Xbox, and newer internals. This i felt was a good couple of steps better than the GT3 RS in terms of wheel weight/feel etc. But I HATED that UGLY FORZA BRANDED Rim :mad:, also the toggle button felt like it would fall off in your hand at any point. So build quality & look was not as good on the CSR.

However there is a bundle deal on it...

http://eu.fanatec.com/index.php?route=module/configurator&bundle_id=2

I myself was completely sold on Fanatec product line, and the modular system they put together, but felt let down by there lengthly developement time on the promised shifter, and ultmately put off by the very high and modulated pricing system for the high end wheels they offer. With the T500RS being considered at an equal level to the CSR Clubsport base, (CSR Elite at the time i think) I made the move when a bargain landed on my lap, and have been very happy since.

I take nothing away from Fanatec though, they do make some very good products. Its just they have priced themselves out of my reach.
 
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Litchi
Actually, I don't buy a wheel to be even faster on the track. I just want to have an other racing experience. I confess I'm a bit bored about controller after 15 years. Just want to try something new ;)
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Same as me, in fact I know I can be faster in some cars with the DS3!
 
I'm with Daddyo on this - I don't think there's any truth in the "wheel is faster" argument, I'm mediocre with a controller and I'd be just as mediocre with a controller in the shape as a steering wheel :dopey:.

I might purchase a wheel at some point though, look like they could be a lot of fun! Having a permanent space for it has put me off thus far.
 
My idea for my future "rig" will be PS4, DS4 and Morpheus using cockpit view (GT7 or Project CARS). The virtual hands on virtual wheel are enough for immersion for me :D

However, i have never tried any of the high end wheels. I could quickly change my opinion if I would...
 
Litchi
Ok so here is my combo then:

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Just hope I don't forget anything. I'll order it once you guys say that my choice is all good 👍
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If you can afford it, add this option: http://us.fanatec.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=84&product_id=133 The only weak point of the GT3 is it's lousy mounting option.

daddyo845
What's wrong with being fast with a controller? I've always used a controller. Now I'm not fast, but I've improved a lot over the years and even in these last couple months that I've been at gtplanet and met you guys. What was that... 7 months ago? Something like that. But I know for sure, when I first came here I could not keep up with @KingKlingeling, but now I can. Getting around him is another thing :lol: yes I have a wheel, but I'm not good with it at all and it's a very cheap Logitech model. One of the problems is that I don't have a racing seat for it and to use it, I would have to sit in the couch which is not exactly comfortable.
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MC-Chase
I'm with Daddyo on this - I don't think there's any truth in the "wheel is faster" argument, I'm mediocre with a controller and I'd be just as mediocre with a controller in the shape as a steering wheel :dopey:.

I might purchase a wheel at some point though, look like they could be a lot of fun! Having a permanent space for it has put me off thus far.
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I wasn't trying to say anything bad about the controller or it's users, some of the best drivers I've raced against have been controller users and I have nothing but respect for you guys. But using wheel with a good pedal setup allows you to be more consistent and flexible. Especially with a load-cell brake, the amount of precision you get cannot be duplicated on a controller and that's where the greatest benefits of speed and consistency come from. I will argue until I'm blue in the face that better brakes make you faster and the load-cell pedal provides this. I'm living proof of this concept, and when someone as fast/skilled as Litchi gains that kind of ability we're all gonna be in trouble! The good thing is that there's a learning curve so for at least a week or two he'll probably be looking at our rear bumper instead of vice versa! :dopey:

@LancerEvo7 can give a firsthand account of switching from controller to wheel. He was always fast with a controller but he's even faster with a wheel, faster than me. 👍
 
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BrandonW77
But using wheel with a good pedal setup allows you to be more consistent and flexible. Especially with a load-cell brake, the amount of precision you get cannot be duplicated on a controller and that's where the greatest benefits of speed and consistency come from. :dopey:
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What you would gain in accuracy you would loose in movement change speed, etc. I get my best times when i'm fighting the car left and right all the time - not something possible to replicate on a wheel. I just have seen no evidence one way or the other than one choice of input is superior to the other, none.
 

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