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"If you had access to a car like this, would you take it back? Neither would I."
Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.
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Lol is this a quoting contest?
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it could if you wanted it to be
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LOL Off-topic man!
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yah well this thread is a bit out of date anyways
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That's true. Maybe the thread title could be edited?
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it should be. "Ferrari in GT? 100% chance"
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or maybe just "Ferrari in GT."
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It may be possible, but there's also the possibility of taking Ferrari road cars and making our own race cars. Make your own Enzo race car. Your own Ferrari Challenge car. It's possible.
I do believe that this would be a basic thread to talk Ferrari speculation. We know we have Ferrari now, but I try to bring up stuff about how Ferrari should make their debut a special one, how the GT environment should utilize Ferrari, and that sort of thing. Maybe a new title for this thread could be on Ferrari speculation. At least I'm trying to make it a thread on how Ferrari could possibly be utilized in GTHD and GT5 without making it too much of a wish list. I don't do wish lists. My basis is: we GOT Ferrari. Now how should they be used in GTHD and GT5?
If you care to get this thing rolling, go for it.
I do believe that this would be a basic thread to talk Ferrari speculation. We know we have Ferrari now, but I try to bring up stuff about how Ferrari should make their debut a special one, how the GT environment should utilize Ferrari, and that sort of thing. Maybe a new title for this thread could be on Ferrari speculation. At least I'm trying to make it a thread on how Ferrari could possibly be utilized in GTHD and GT5 without making it too much of a wish list. I don't do wish lists. My basis is: we GOT Ferrari. Now how should they be used in GTHD and GT5?
If you care to get this thing rolling, go for it.
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That's exactly what I want to do. I hope that Kaz and company get hold of Ferrari's great racing lineage as well as any performance mods for their cars. I have a soft spot for the 355 Challenge myself. I'd LOVE to turn that beastie into a GTS car. Mod it, paint it, slap some decals on it and enter it in some professional races. In fact, as much as I love collecting the race cars in Gran Turismo, I hope that in GT HD and beyond, I'll never again have to enter someone else's race car with someone else's name, livery and number in a professional event.
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The F1 was far better than it's contemporaries at everyday use. Much more tractable than either the 959, XJ220, and F40 with their turbo lag. Far easier to deal with than the Countach/Diablo with it's truck-like transmission and useless visibility. The F1's center seat provided visibility that has to be experienced to be understood. The engine was as easy to deal with as an E46 M3. The gearbox felt like a modern Audi's bolt-rifle shifting. It was totally mid-massed, with even the luggage (not just a overnight bag, either) between the driver & engine bay. Store your suitcase in anything else and the center of mass is thrown off, and the handling goes with it. It had steering feel that Lotus would be proud of. And it was hella-fast, bordering on stupid fast.
And then it won Le Mans. On the first attempt.
There's no doubt that the above-listed group of supercars would totally stomp over whatever I could afford to drive. I would be quite happy with just about any of them (even the dead-to-the-road Veyron). But I believe very strongly about the F1, having had some almost accidental first-hand experience with it. I feel that given the way the rest of the cars of the day felt and acted, the F1 was just a class above. Just as the Veyron is a class above the current run of supercars (although in a very different way).
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What about Koenigsegg? So far, I know of two major publications that managed to crash it: evo; and Clarkson's show -- and Stig was driving it! The Veyron isn't doing to well either. It's exceedingly underwhelming outside of its straight-line performance. Lamborghini's reviews were always mixed, due to the inability to live with it at anything but 8/10ths. The Jaguar was condemned from the start: no all-wheel-drive (probably a good thing) and no V12. All of Ferrari's supercars have been extremely track-oriented, which also makes day-to-day use a problem.
A major problem of more modern supercars is the focus on speed: they all seem to want to out-race the F1, which was never the point of the F1 to begin with. It was meant to be the ultimate expression of the sports car. It was designed to excel at all areas at the same time: fast, feelsome, controllable, luxurious, comfortable, predictable, milk-runnable. Most supercars actually suffer (and "fail") primarily from this problem.
Major props to the Carrera GT and the Zonda, though. The Zonda's not all that pretty in the classical sense, but both do a stellar job all around. Shame about the C-GT's inability to go racing; that would have been fun to see.
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Pagani Zondas = not all that pretty? I actually think they are pretty nice cars. Not beautiful, but certainly well-designed. You know what you're getting when you have that center cluster of tailpipes at the rear. Those are almost like afterburners for that thing. Just don't have me doing "Italian Avantgarde" (GT3) where the only way to win is to play dirty (same strategy just to SURVIVE in "Pro Race Driver" and even "ToCA Race Driver 3" in some races).
This has been a nice sub-discussion on supercars and handling. So do you think PD was spot-on with handling of these supercars? I think I've heard of a bunch of cars that surpassed the McLaren F1's top speed or even came close. I still consider the F1 as the ultimate in superexotics, even in this day and age. I'd take an F1 over an Enzo any day. Before I get flamed by "fanboys," I still think the F1 has remained a classical design and tour de force even years later. Won Le Mans first time out. Now here is where you can make the claim for the McLaren F1 vs. most others- there aren't as many F1s. They may even cost upwards of USD $1,000,000! Other than that, it's loved and revered for a reason.
Back to the Zonda lineup for a moment. Those Pagani Zondas can be quite powerful and are pretty capable. I still say that it can be pretty tough taking a supercar around a series of corners like mountain roads. I don't think these such cars aren't as enjoyable to take around curves like with most less-powered automobiles. Pirelli Tires says it best- "Power is nothing without control." So I would likely want to give my supercars some lightening as well as a nice suspension package. Remember I said that I would try not to look for power enhancements, as it will only enhance top speed and acceleration. Those enhancements usually come at the expense of sharp handling. And for races in which you are allowed Standard or Sports Tires, it can be a b:censored: just to make the car competitive for whatever race is on tap. If available, the only power enhancements I would use are oil changes and a Racing Muffler. Perhaps go with a Racing Chip. I haven't actually experimented with certain changes to know which modifications work among others that doesn't sacrifice handling.
Keep the Ferrari talk going.
This has been a nice sub-discussion on supercars and handling. So do you think PD was spot-on with handling of these supercars? I think I've heard of a bunch of cars that surpassed the McLaren F1's top speed or even came close. I still consider the F1 as the ultimate in superexotics, even in this day and age. I'd take an F1 over an Enzo any day. Before I get flamed by "fanboys," I still think the F1 has remained a classical design and tour de force even years later. Won Le Mans first time out. Now here is where you can make the claim for the McLaren F1 vs. most others- there aren't as many F1s. They may even cost upwards of USD $1,000,000! Other than that, it's loved and revered for a reason.
Back to the Zonda lineup for a moment. Those Pagani Zondas can be quite powerful and are pretty capable. I still say that it can be pretty tough taking a supercar around a series of corners like mountain roads. I don't think these such cars aren't as enjoyable to take around curves like with most less-powered automobiles. Pirelli Tires says it best- "Power is nothing without control." So I would likely want to give my supercars some lightening as well as a nice suspension package. Remember I said that I would try not to look for power enhancements, as it will only enhance top speed and acceleration. Those enhancements usually come at the expense of sharp handling. And for races in which you are allowed Standard or Sports Tires, it can be a b:censored: just to make the car competitive for whatever race is on tap. If available, the only power enhancements I would use are oil changes and a Racing Muffler. Perhaps go with a Racing Chip. I haven't actually experimented with certain changes to know which modifications work among others that doesn't sacrifice handling.
Keep the Ferrari talk going.
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In a rookies hands maybe. On a track the only car I can't beat in the Speed 12 at the ring stock is the ZZII, it canes the XJ220 other supercars. A lot of people have this misconceprion that the Speed 12 is a bad handling car, it's not the beat handling car but it does actually handle very well, you just seem to forget how much power and torque you have under the bonnet and don't realise that you tend to be approaching corners faster than what you would in anything else stock so you need to brake earlier.
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I dug this up from Car and Driver...It was done in ealy January of this year
Model Year...Vehicle.....................Top Speed(mph) Source
2005..........Bugatti Veyron 16.4....253 Car and Driver
2005..........Koenigsegg CCR.........241 independent observer
1998..........McLaren F1................240 independent observer
2003..........Saleen S7..................223 at 6500-rpm redline
2004..........Ferrari Enzo...............220 Auto Motor und Sport
1993..........Jaguar XJ220.............212 independent observer
1992..........Bugatti EB110 GT.......212 Autocar
2002..........Pagani Zonda S..........208 Sport Auto
2004..........Mercedes-Benz SLR......207 Auto Motor und Sport
2004..........Porsche Carrera GT.......207 Auto Motor und Sport
Though the Ford GT sould be there at 211mph, and the 599GTB should be at 205mph
And Now for the 'ring times(supercars in GT4 or soon to be):
7:40 - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/ 1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05)
7:44 - Pagani Zonda S
7:54 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 (Hot Damn!)
7:55 - Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)
full list here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times
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You have to bear in mind that the top speeds in Gran Turismo arn't always accurate, I don't know if the Zonda S is quicker than the Speed 12 top speed wise in GT4, but irl there should be 40mph seperating them in the Speed 12's favour.
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This should be closed. there is already ferraris in the game so whats the piont in this thread.
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The topic of the thread has changed with the facts, it serves a much greater purpose than that post anyway. If you really feel the need to tell everyone that you think a thread should be closed, don't. If you really think it should be then use the report button on post #1 and give a reason why you think so on the report screen.
Well, aside from the fact that the topic has changed, as Live4Speed mentioned, another piont (sic) is that the confirmation of Ferrari in the game causes me to laugh every time I see this thread's title.
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No. It's an unstable son of a gun. It takes a lot of tuning up so that it can be more than just a speed demon. The car is very light, extremely powerful, and very unstable. I think this car was even banned from British GT action for either its capabilities or whatever. Powerful car? Uh... you think? The Speed 12 is only stable if someone can tune it up right or race good enough so that its capabilities aren't overbearing.
I got nothing to talk about on Ferrari this time around. I just wanted to respond to the notion that the Speed 12 is stable.
I got nothing to talk about on Ferrari this time around. I just wanted to respond to the notion that the Speed 12 is stable.
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Personlly I think the Speed 12 is extremely stable (am I biased, hell yeah), especially for it's power and yes I do mean stock. Having a t-bar plunger like accelerator isn't what would determine if a car is stable or not that just requires better throttle control, it's how the car goes round corners and the Speed 12 does that as well as any of the other cars. You just have to remember to brake earlier than the others because your heading towards the corner faster. I've taken a stiock Speed 12 and done nothing but add racing tyre's to it and I've won the Real circuit tours race at the Ring. Yes against LMP, Group C and GT1 cars. Ofcourse, the AI in GT4 is shockingly bad, that should never happen really, but there's not much else in GT4 you can do that with. With tuning the Speed 12 is probalby a low 6 min Ring time car, in the hands of an expert I wouldn't be suprised to see it dip very low.
Regarding the Speed 12 and GT racing, originally the speed 12 was designed and built to GT1 specification (that's the old GT1 spec think Mercedes CLK-GTR, Porsche 911GT1, Panoz Esperante GTR1 ect), unforunately before the car was in production the FIA killed the GT1 class and production of the Speed 12 died with it. though the race car the Speed 12 GTS did actually manage a sesaon which was a bit more of a test than anthing else. The Cerbera Speed 12 was then concieved to compete in GTS class racing, again the race cars were built and racing before any production cars were built and what happened is TVR needed to have 25 road cars built to fully qualify the race cars, they had a certain lenth of time to meet that requirement and to homologate the cars. As you all probably know Wheeler pulled the plug on the cars production pretty last minuet and that action alone disqualified the cars from any non-prototype FIA GT racing and it wouldn't have won against prototypes. Of note, when racing in GTS class the Speed 12 was notably the fastest car and most powerful car on the grids, it wasn't however, the most reliable car on the grids though by the time they had introduced a second car to the team things had improved in that regard. I still remember seeing a race, Silverstone i think where someone spun out infront of them and took both the 12's out of the race on lap 1 or 2. Quite unfortunate.
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A GTS, LMP or FIA Speec 12? Does anyone see any exciting possibilities for this in GT HD/GT5 besides live4speed and me? JohnBM01 too?
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