Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.

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Ive said it before, and im saying it again. i wont be satisfied until all 102 Ferraris I want to drive are in the game, however long it takes.

Im getting tired of this Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo Trio nonsense. I love Ferrari (along with Honda and TVR) and im coincidentally wearing my Red Ferrari shirt with a large Cavallino ramparte in the middle and I can see my Ferrari Satin Pendant hanging on the wall. But (even though I dont post that much) Ive said before I dislike Lambo, and while Porsche makes great cars that I like, I dont feel passionate about them. There needs to be more talk about Maserati, Koenigsegg, Bugatti, Noble, Ariel, Donkervoort, Ascari, Venturi and countless others. There isnt enough,
 
I usually like to stay with a good topic and just make discussion better. That's what I'll try to do here in this thread with this post. I'm not sure if this was mentioned or not, but here are about nine pictures of the Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano:

http://www.granturismo-hd.com/

All those are courtesy of granturismo-hd.com. I think one should have a concious mind of Forza Motorsport in talking about Ferrari. I think multiplay in the SOCOM games is what Ferrari/Porsche is to Forza Motorsport. It's the most-discussed element for both games. Let's face it- not too many people care or want to talk about single-player in SOCOM. Likewise, no one cares if you prefer racing a Mini Cooper when you have a bevy of Ferraris and Porsches to play with. It's because the mainstream types care more about some element other than offline single play. Online play is the future, but the old-fashioned model still hasn't forgotten that the game all begins with the single element. I consider myself an old-fashioned gamer as I know the bare essentials and not so fancy about things. Mainstream types will say that multiplayer is required. It's one reason why people didn't like Enthusia too much. The classical model will say that multiplay is always secondary or optional. Multiplayer has always meant "more than one player" rather than "more than one partner connected by a connection from a modem."

Okay, so let me break away from mainstream vs. old-fashioned and return to the topic. Whether you like Forza Motorsport or not, you have to admit that it's been the centerpiece as to what Gran Turismo-type games should be (according to media and mainstream types). The key elements have been big-name car companies, damage, and online play. Forza had all three that millions of people want in this newer age of gaming. I think this goes back to my thread asking what could PD learn from Forza. People put Forza Motorsport as the new standard of racing games on console. The media was all "better than Gran Turismo 4." "Cars you actually want to drive." Like GT4's nothing but go-karts and who-knows-who-cares "econoboxes." PD has to better Microsoft's offer. Hark back to my baseball example. Forza's on the mound throwing everything from sliders to breaking balls. What PD needs to do is load the bases by looking for plenty of base hits to get the upper hand on GT's newest (and arguably best) rival. Gran Turismo's analogy of a baseball game is that GT has to load the bases with wonderful cars to choose from, greater enhancement of essentials (graphics, physics, online play, etc.), and have all that made GT the modern classic it is today while improving the formula every so often. GT has the batting order to better Forza. Question is, how can PD land the Grand Slam to better Forza?

Now for the non-artistic view on this. Forza Motorsport has Ferraris and Porsches. PD will need to study Forza to see how they can shine with Ferrari. I will admit one thing about Forza- I'm tempted to get behind the wheel of some of the big-name companies and their cars. As much as I'm opposed to only caring about sports cars and exotics, even I give in to the big name cars. I sometimes think that most people usually like going around in nothing but Ferraris and Porsches. Every now and again, you may catch some Japanese muscle as well as some TVR's. I think PD will need to give this some special attention for good reason- you have Ferrari as part as your virtual world of cars. People have wanted this company (and others) since the series was created. Now that racing game types will get to see Ferrari's debut in GTHD and GT5, you need to make it memorable. The Ferrari obsession has been well-documented. So cars like Ferraris would likely need a lot of ways to enjoy racing with them. They include (but not limited to):

(1.) Interesting One-Make races
I can already imagine a Ferrari 360 Modena and F430 One-Make series. I can make my own Ferrari of Houston (sorry for the plug!) entry going up against a pack of other cars in class. A Testarossa Cup would be pretty nice as well. They could even come up with their own version of the Type-R Cup. The Honda Type-R Cup is perhaps the most diverse of all One-Make races because it features all sorts of machines with the Type-R designation. Imagine a past and present One-Make series of Ferraris. The most extreme One-Make race for Ferrari would be if the only cars you could race were either the Ferrari 333SP or the Ferrari Enzo.

(2.) Inclusion into race events
Many would agree that if Ferrari was in GT4, that the Supercar Festival would be more interesting since you had a nice choice of Ferraris to work with. You could race Italian Car-only races and have a definite edge with Ferrari. An inclusion of Lamborghini would SURELY sweeten the pot. The European sports car events would see some exceptional Ferrari love. This goes back to one person saying "I just want to see 'Ferrari' in the starting grid." And guess what. That COULD happen. Unless PD takes the idea of replacing grid entries with names of drivers. And don't forget other events Ferrari can be in including Front/RWD and Mid/RWD championship races, Classic/Vintage Car events, and even endurance races. I often dream of having a Ferrari 333SP to race around Monza in a GT game in a GT version of the Monza 1000.

(3.) Implementation in License Tests and Driving Missions
Imagine this- Advanced Handling Techniques in a Ferrari 360 Modena at El Capitan or Suzuka Circuit. One-lap time trial around Grand Valley Speedway in a Ferrari 333SP. Complete a half-lap around Sears Point in a Ferrari 360 Modena Challenge Car. How about a Three-Lap Battle? Perhaps imagine three laps around Twin Ring Motegi as you pilot a Ferrari Enzo. One-Lap Magic? You bet. Try the f:censored:ed-up, brand-new Fuji configuration as your car would be the Ferarri 575 Maranello by Prodrive. They'll need to try some new things to get fans interested.

And if PD gets Porsche and Lamborghini before GT5 is officially released, I suggest they do the same thing with these three bullets. Give disgrunted fans little to complain about as best as possible. PD can go MILES away if they can make magic with this Ferrari license deal. I'll start another discussion on this in my next post.
 
Ascari! Yeah I forgot about them!
I'm of the opinion that yes, Ferrari needs to get used, not just some farce that you happen to be able to play one or two cars in time trial mode, but It's important Ferrari (and especially if Lamborghini make it in later on although I still doubt that) doesn't become a brand used too often. If you do two thirds of your races with ferraris, that's pushed all the other cars in GT aside. They need to strike a balance. I could do half the events in GT3 (and did, I'm ashamed to say) with the F1 car that gives my screen name, because by chance I won it early on in the Super Speedway endurance. True, that's an extreme case, but if Ferraris become the mainstay of GT HD racing, I will not be particularly chuffed.
 
I (1.) Interesting One-Make races
I can already imagine a Ferrari 360 Modena and F430 One-Make series. I can make my own Ferrari of Houston (sorry for the plug!) entry going up against a pack of other cars in class. A Testarossa Cup would be pretty nice as well. They could even come up with their own version of the Type-R Cup. The Honda Type-R Cup is perhaps the most diverse of all One-Make races because it features all sorts of machines with the Type-R designation. Imagine a past and present One-Make series of Ferraris. The most extreme One-Make race for Ferrari would be if the only cars you could race were either the Ferrari 333SP or the Ferrari Enzo.
In my opinion,
Coppa Dino: Open to all V6 and V8 Ferrari, road cars on sports tires only.
Coppa GTB: Open to all FR V12 two-seater coupes, road cars on sports tires only.
250 Legend: Open to all Ferrari 250 models.
Boxer Twelve: Open to all Ferrai flat-12 engined cars (BB and Testarossa), road cars on sports tires only.
Coppa di velocita: Open to all Ferrari road cars only. (racing against GTOs, F40s, F50s, Enzos etc.)
Coppa Ferrari del Mondo: Open to all Ferrari cars.

Races would be on Rome circuit, Mugello, Imola, Monza, Apricot Hill, Midfield raceway and SSR11. :drool:

(2.) Inclusion into race events
Many would agree that if Ferrari was in GT4, that the Supercar Festival would be more interesting since you had a nice choice of Ferraris to work with. You could race Italian Car-only races and have a definite edge with Ferrari. An inclusion of Lamborghini would SURELY sweeten the pot. The European sports car events would see some exceptional Ferrari love. This goes back to one person saying "I just want to see 'Ferrari' in the starting grid." And guess what. That COULD happen. Unless PD takes the idea of replacing grid entries with names of drivers. And don't forget other events Ferrari can be in including Front/RWD and Mid/RWD championship races, Classic/Vintage Car events, and even endurance races. I often dream of having a Ferrari 333SP to race around Monza in a GT game in a GT version of the Monza 1000.
Targa Florio my friend. Targa florio!!!!

(3.) Implementation in License Tests and Driving Missions
Imagine this- Advanced Handling Techniques in a Ferrari 360 Modena at El Capitan or Suzuka Circuit. One-lap time trial around Grand Valley Speedway in a Ferrari 333SP. Complete a half-lap around Sears Point in a Ferrari 360 Modena Challenge Car. How about a Three-Lap Battle? Perhaps imagine three laps around Twin Ring Motegi as you pilot a Ferrari Enzo. One-Lap Magic? You bet. Try the f:censored:ed-up, brand-new Fuji configuration as your car would be the Ferarri 575 Maranello by Prodrive. They'll need to try some new things to get fans interested.
Mugello or rome circuit would be more suitable.... but yes, that would be great. A one-lap magic in your enzo, as you pass a F50, F40, 288 GTO and chase down the leading 250 GTO!
 
In my opinion,
Coppa Dino: Open to all V6 and V8 Ferrari, road cars on sports tires only.
Coppa GTB: Open to all FR V12 two-seater coupes, road cars on sports tires only.
250 Legend: Open to all Ferrari 250 models.
Boxer Twelve: Open to all Ferrai flat-12 engined cars (BB and Testarossa), road cars on sports tires only.
Coppa di velocita: Open to all Ferrari road cars only. (racing against GTOs, F40s, F50s, Enzos etc.)
Coppa Ferrari del Mondo: Open to all Ferrari cars.

Races would be on Rome circuit, Mugello, Imola, Monza, Apricot Hill, Midfield raceway and SSR11.

YES YES YES!!! That's a properly thought out set of races, well done!
 
Ah! Nice to see you paid attention! The mindset I'm in with this issue is that some people just want to have a complete vacation from any daily driver cars. The points I made mostly pertain to what PD can do. They don't want to prostitute Ferrari all around (I'm getting a bit sick of using "wh*re" to describe overusing something). I just came up with some ideas PD can use and utilize. It's going to be up to PD to know what we're going to be playing come release day. They can't disrupt the balance of cars in the game. Forza had somewhat of a balance problem since you had mostly fast or powerful automobiles rather than the deep variety in GT4 and Enthusia.

Read the GTHD info thread recently? We at least know that we're going to see the 599 GTB Fiorano. We're now going to get the F430 now. Only Ferrari pictures I've seen are of the 599 GTB Fiorano. Have yet to see the beautiful F430 in GTHD media. I'd surely like to see the endurance racing-spec F430 GT. It lights up all pretty and everything. You'll know if you seen the Petit Le Mans this past weekend. Lights up as nicely as the classic Viper GTS by Team Oreca.

Here are some links for you to gaze upon:
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/f430_challenge.asp (Ferrari F430 Challenge)
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Ferrari/2006/F430_GT/ (Ferrari F430 GT)

- all links below are based on the Ferrari 333SP -
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ferrari333.html (general info)
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ferrari333-1.html (undercarriage)
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ferrari333-2.html (Rolex 24 at Daytona designs)
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ferrari333-3.html (evolution of model)
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ferrari333-4.html (ducts and aerodynamics)
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ferrari333-5.html (suspension and drivetrain)
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/ferrari333-6.html (the Ferrari V12 which produces a BEAUTIFUL roar. I didn't like the Judd V10 all that much)

I'll try to find out what the specific engine that I can remember from 1999 when the Olive Garden team in the ALMS raced this beautiful race car. I also want to find some videos to see it in action and enjoy the engine roar from the Ferrari V12 and not the Judd V10 like Doran used in 2000). Keep the discussion moving.
 
I quickly had a chance to review the video at:
http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/movie/index.do?id=385

It shows the 599 GTB Fiorano in action as well as its GTHD beauty. Check her out if you get a chance and have a good enough connection. Still have yet to see the F430 in GTHD media. A cool song is playing the background for the video as well.
 
Yeah I like that video, although the long straight section of road, where is that? It looks like the Eiger Nordwand location, but off-track.
Ahh so that's what a Ferrari 333 is. I quite like those, LOL a 60 valve engine. Dunno why that surprises me, but that's a lorra lorra valves!
The "complete vacation from daily driver cars" is flat out wrong, although I never expect the GT series to go that way, there are plenty of normal cars that are very cool and I often prefer using them to thoroughbred racing cars. I can play those in any old game. GT offers something different.
 
The mindset I'm in with this issue is that some people just want to have a complete vacation from any daily driver cars.
I feel a poll coming on. I'm not sure how many are with me but I prefer to race them all. Even though the "dink-mobiles," hybrids, trucks and SUVs don't do anything for me, I'd rather give them at least a spin or two. I have yet to even get in a Prius, I have to admit, but I'l have some free time this fall.

Now, about that poll...
 
OMG that is a lot of page and a lot of reading. But anywho I was told that GT4 in Japan had Ferrari in it but the USA version didn't becuase it wasn't license to. So what are the chances of us in USA being able to purchase Ferrari's in GTHD?
 
No version of GT4 had Ferrari's in, I don't know who told you that but it's simply not true. PD either have the license or they dont, they've made it quite undeniably clear that they now do have it, for GT4 they didn't have it, period.
 
GT HD TGS 2006 demonstration. Sorry if posted already

http://download.scej-online.jp/scews/gtdotcom/20060922_tgs/gt-hd_tgs2006.wmv

Edit: By looking at this video I see no fewer then 12 cars on track at once in GT Classic. Also from what i've read and seeen, all the GT Classic content will be available online and there will be some Premium content available online as well later.

As long as the prices are reasonable, I won't mind this. But $1 a car and $4 a track simply will not do. I will be pleased with the following prices:

GT Classic
Cars: .05-.20
Tracks: .50-1.00

GT Premium
Cars: 40-80
Tracks: 2.00-4.00

And if the game can build up a large online community and be sold for $10-$15 I'm fine.

Sure I may end up spending around $100 on this game by the time GT 5 comes out, but it's GT. KY has us in his grasp and we must obey what he says is law or have no GT.
 
OMG that is a lot of page and a lot of reading. But anywho I was told that GT4 in Japan had Ferrari in it but the USA version didn't becuase it wasn't license to. So what are the chances of us in USA being able to purchase Ferrari's in GTHD?

I'm willing to bet who told you that heard of the NSTC/J GT3 version having a Porsche and a Lamborghini, and the BS'ing you with GT4 having Ferrari for the NTSC/J copy.
 
It had a porsche too? I thought it was just the Diablo?
There will be up to 12 cars on track in Classic. I dont know whether that will be increased for Premium mode, given that the very first screenshots of "Vision gran Turismo" as it was called then showed something like 17 cars visible on the screen at once round Super Speedway.
Either way, 12 is an improvement on six.
 
I'm going to combine two discussions into one.

--- PART 1 OF 2 ---
Will GT5 become a supercar paradise if more Ferraris are included? Take a side as I offer possible reasons why.

(A) Yes!
Throw around one car name, and things seem to happen. Some people would want something like this because it means lesser attention to the... I don't know... 500 to 600 other cars not in the league of supercars and exotics? I've always said that Forza was more like a GT for sports car and racing enthusiasts as opposed to those who want a virtual world of cars like GT4 and Enthusia provided. Yes, it's just a game. However, you want to have some real-life relevance as well. Not everyone can have a six-figure supercar even if gamers sold their houses. The typical "who cares?" comment would emerge from some people on the notion that you race to go fast in machines capable of fast as opposed to going fast in just about anything you get your hands on. Online racers would love to match wits in recognizable, high-profile sports cars from big-name companies. Their inclusion will just mean that more people will have little patience with less-capable cars. It would also provide sensational matchups against other big-name sports cars that don't come from the three aforementioned companies. Imagine the 599 GTB Fiorano up against an Aston Martin DB9, for example.

(B) Not at all.
Gran Turismo hasn't relied of sports cars just to draw in fans like bees to honey. Kazunori Yamauchi always thought and conceived the GT series as an encyclopedia of cars. That's what Gran Turismo has established regardless of what people think about the certain cars available in the game. Say all you want about too many Skylines or too many Lancers. You at least know there are a myriad of other cars you can choose from if you don't like a specific car. It's a Japanese game, so obviously the Japanese will get more entries than almost any other nationality's make. To my knowledge, Forza is an American-made title, so American cars will get better representation in addition to other makes of cars. Gran Turismo with Ferrari is no different even if there will be more Ferraris than everything else. It would be stupid for PD to shy away from their current formula just to flaunt their sports cars and supercars. Gran Turismo is a world of cars that only gets better with each passing game. And if you realize in each GT, at least one new nationality of cars is present. Hell, we may even see something out of Malaysia or India for GT5. PD should never eliminate what made the series popular. No one should ever think that the game will be a supercar paradise only because of Ferrari's inclusion. It only becomes a supercar paradise if things like compacts and Keis are eliminated in favor of real sports cars and supercars.

(C) Depends on what PD does with them.
A switch to bigger races with faster cars only takes away momentum from the other types of cars. People either want or don't want to see a supercar paradise in GT5. It would defeat the purpose of an encyclopedia of cars if you put more attention on these specific sports cars. Don't you want to be able to have a daily driver you'd want to have, then have a pure sports car as your weekend toy? Most people are like that in real life. You may see one person have a late-model Honda Accord as a daily driver, but then has a Porsche Cayman S as a weekend driver. One other home owner may have that Volvo estate car ("station wagon" for us Americans) in GT4 and have a Dodge Viper SRT-10 as a weekend driver. PD won't turn up the wick on sports cars just to nonchalantly draw in more racing game fans. Diversity is everything. Why ruin it by showcasing more sports cars and focusing in more on them? There's also the preference of racing underdogs trying to upset the big-name car companies and their finest machines. What if a tuned Honda S2000 upset a stock Testarossa? You have to take that into consideration as well.

Pick a side. I've commented on all fronts.


--- PART 2 OF 2 ---
Let me use "OutRun 2" and "OutRun 2: Coast to Coast" for Ferrari discussion. Play that game if you haven't already. I made a post long ago on this game and the Ferraris you can use in the game. I've noted that this arcadish title features machines ranging from the Ferrari Dino 246 GTS to the Enzo Ferrari. One person who said that most recent Ferraris look horrible. Here are some Ferraris I don't like too much:

--- Some of my Least Favorite Ferraris ---
Ferrari 550 Maranello
" 575M
" 355 F1
" Enzo (respect its performance, but looks kill it for me)

I never really caught on with the 550 Maranello and the 575 models. You'll find the racing variants of these two cars in Forza Motorsport and GTR. Perhaps even GTR2. I know some or most people will want as many Ferraris as possible. So let me ask you all this:

Granted PD gets in anywhere between 5 and 25 Ferraris, what would be your ESSENTIAL list of Ferraris you'd want to see? I'm asking you what Ferraris you think should REALLY be in the game. I said "essential Ferraris" because let's face it. PD isn't going to get in every last Ferrari ever produced. Put aside certain variations of cars aside (for example: Ferrari F430 and the F430 Spyder) and focus on the certain Ferraris you'd be okay to see. PD can get in as many Ferraris as possible, but here is my essential list:

Ferrari 360 Modena*
" F430*
" 333SP*

* = including some tuned models and racing variants



And these are some of my secondary essentials:
" 612 Scaglietti
" 330 P3
" F50
" 250 GTO* (if any)
" Testarossa
" 246 Dino
" 1984 GTO

* = including some tuned models and racing variants


So never mind that you want to see as many Ferraris as possible. What is your essential Ferrari list? What are the can't miss models?
 
Ferrari will not turn GT into a super car game. Gt hasnt been exactly an encyclopedia of cars either. GT has been a game about enthusiast cars, disregarding the price, power or speed. While most Ferraris have been considered super cars at their introduction, most older Ferrari's arent exactly speedsters today. In that S2000 vs Testarossa example, Id bet a stock S2000 could beat an early Testarossa around a fairly twisty circuit. Cars these days put their power down better and take corners alot faster than they used to. Its predictable that engineering (in any field) develops fairly quickly.

For example, an early NSX was a supercar in its day. But in GT4, its really just an average sports car. The Ferrari 348 wasnt really any faster than this early NSX. While the 355 was faster, its comparable to a modern NSX or esprit. Do you consider those two to be supercars? In GT4, the Merc 300SL is comparable in pace to a SEAT Cupra, the 300SL is a supercar. Any Ferrari built before the early 80s would get killed by a Skyline GTR, thats the majority. Sure, the Enzo, F50 and 599 GTB are super cars, but there really arent that many. Not enough to transform GT in the least.

So never mind that you want to see as many Ferraris as possible. What is your essential Ferrari list? What are the can't miss models?
Ill start with road cars.

Youll need atleast one of each generation of Dino V6/V8 cars. Simply, one of the 206, 246, 308/208, 328, 348, 355, 360 and 430. Simple. For now, lets ignore the 308 GT4 and Mondial Quattrovalvole 2+2s.

To continue MR Ferraris, theres the BB and Testarossa. Both enjoyed fairly long lives, so atleast a few variants of each would suffice. Lets go with the 512BB, 512BBi, Testarossa, 512TR and F512M.

FR ferraris is alot more complicated so lets just fish out some important ones, 250 GT Europa, 250 GT Boano, 250 GTO, 250 GTB, 250 GTB SWB, 250 GT Lusso, 275 GTB (My username is named after this car), 275 GTB SWB, 365 GTB/4, 550, 575M, 599 GTB, as well as the 400 Superamerica and 500 Superfast muscle cars and the 456 and 612 2+2s.

Last but not least are the "super cars", the 288 GTO, F40, F50 and Enzo.

That covers road cars. It should also be noted that there are racing versions of these road cars, most notably the F40, 360 and 550 among others.

Race cars, there are two types, prototypes and Formula racers. Since there are no signs of F1 cars being added to GT, ill talk about the prototypes.

Two of the most notable are the 250 LM and 275 LM. Both beautiful race cars. Theres the early Mondial and Testarossa. The 250 GTO race car is also well known. The famous 330 P3 and 330 P4 deserve inculsion as well. The 312 PB deserves inclusion as well, being the last of the old Ferrari race cars. I see you mention the 333 SP. I suppose it could be worthy, but its really not that special.

I realize I just named 43 cars, that more than 25, but I believe they are all essential. And its alot less than my normal wishlist of 100+ cars.
 
Poor FXX everyone forgets ye....

ferrari_fxx.jpg
 
Will GT5 become a supercar paradise if more Ferraris are included? Take a side as I offer possible reasons why.


(C) Depends on what PD does with them.
It would defeat the purpose of an encyclopedia of cars if you put more attention on these specific sports cars.

That's pretty much my answer right there. To me, GT has always been more of an encyclopedia of cars. There's so many good drives out there throughout history -- at all price levels -- that it would be foolish to focus on one brand (or country). Having Ferrari as a headliner is nice, but it can't be the main focus, and the structure of the game should still force you to either purchase different cars, or see that Ferrari is not the be-all end-all that some claim them to be.

I kind of enjoy the game as it is, but what I really enjoy is just going to my own garage, picking out one car out of a thousand (even at random), and going for a drive on whatever track strikes my fancy. That requires a game that is balanced in its variety & depiction of the entire auto world.
 
It had a porsche too? I thought it was just the Diablo?
There will be up to 12 cars on track in Classic. I dont know whether that will be increased for Premium mode, given that the very first screenshots of "Vision gran Turismo" as it was called then showed something like 17 cars visible on the screen at once round Super Speedway.
Either way, 12 is an improvement on six.
Yep. I believe it was a first gen. 996 GT3.

I know some folks here talked that you could get it in the other versions by hybriding its body over a Ruf.

John:
I am hoping you caught that Classic Ferrari drive show on Speed this previous weekend after the Petit Le Mans. He fired up a F333SP, and by george, it sounded amazing. Reminded me of my first time seeing it at Ferrari of Dallas next to the then Azzuro California F50.

I can't believe you don't like the Maranellos though. Such a goregous Ferrari, one of the last Ferraris that matched my vision of a Ferrari (must be those 5-spoke rims).

My ideal list though would have to include the F40, and F50, such true drivers cars as well as the F355 Challenge, F333SP, Testarossa, and for me personally, a 575M Maranello.
 
Poor FXX everyone forgets ye....
I did. Usually when I try to think of Ferraris off the top of my head, I devide them into Road cars and race cars. The FXX and MC12 Corsa are track cars, kind of in the middle.

But yeah, the FXX is an important Ferrari, mostly due to its performance.

The real forgotten one is the 275 GTB. Other than myself, it gets no love around here. :(
 
Just because it shouldn't be the focus doesn't mean that people will MAKE it the focus. It's why I talk about the mainstream in regards to games. Stuff like GTPlanet is more of an underground deal. But things like EGM and G4TV (before "The Man Show" and "Star Trek" reruns) are more of the mainstream. I always put an emphasis on people in anything involving games. Talk to people about stuff like this. Like, go tell some of your friends who like Gran Turismo and ask them about what it's like to have Ferrari at long last. Many will say that it is a dream come true. Some would probably say that this has been nine years in the making. Keep in mind that I do have my visions of racing Ferraris. Didn't matter if it was with a Ferrari or against Ferraris, I had that Ferrari craving in me. The difference was that I could live without Ferrari. Most other people just thought that this was the only reason to care about a title like the GT series. Under the logic that car companies matter more than anything, "OutRun 2006: Coast to Coast" and "Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed" would be the best-ever racing games simply because you race nothing but the big-name sports cars. That's not always the case now, is it? People have always gotten mad at me only because I'm not mad as hell that such car companies aren't in GT. I still knew the essentials of a game series like the GT series. It's the same essentials that makes me respect the series for what it is instead of hating it for what it isn't. I still want to see some of the main companies we've been debating for years. My only personal issue is on the obsession of them and the supposed "theory" that games only get better because of these names. The game can be crap, but no one cares because it's all about the big-name car companies. Would you rather a good game with "missing" cars, or a buggy game with big-name cars?

And *McLaren*, don't worry. I heard that beast. Sweet music every time. Carry on discussion or answer my question I've provided in one of my recent posts.
 
If you look this thread was started aaaaaaaages ago, long before we knew that Ferrari was in GT HD, long before we knew what GT HD was called.
 
Mr. Know-it-All (if you're talking to me)? I didn't even create this thread. Only related thread I came up with was "Had Ferrari and Porsche Been in GT4..." in the GT4 forum. But on to other business.

In continuing the chat on what essential Ferraris you want to come up with, here's a big advantage for you:
http://www.victorybydesign.com/cars/ferrari.html

That is the Ferrari DVD of the "Victory by Design" series. It's hosted by one of my favorite Speed Channel personalities, Alain de Cadenet. The complete list of Ferraris mentioned in "Victory by Design" range from the 166MM all the way to the Enzo. We're likely not going to see real F1 cars in GT5. However, it still doesn't mean that PD can't get a little extra motivation to use Ferrari. My school of thought is that since PD never featured Ferrari, they'll need to use their resources to get some sort of idea on what models people would want to see.

There is also Porsche being mentioned. Here's the "Victory by Design" on Porsche:
http://www.victorybydesign.com/cars/porsche.html

And this is as much information as I can get to you on Lamborghini:
http://www.lamborghini.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini
http://www.lambocars.com/mar/model.htm (Lamborghini... marine motors?)
http://www.lambocars.com/dia/diagtr.htm
http://www.lambostuff.com/xq/asp/Page.1/action.1/qx/history-of-lamborghini.htm

Check out the Wikipedia link I provided on Lamborghini. You'll get to see some older cars you may have never heard of. Check out the 350 GT in that link. Seems like a pretty nice Lamborghini. None of the Lamborghinis mentioned on that site have anything less than a V8. I'd say that among Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini, Lambo doesn't have too much of racing history to warrant itself as company with considerate racing history. Ferrari and Porsche seen their share of track action more than Lamborghini. Lamborghini is still a solid car company. Who wouldn't want a curvy and wide V12 beast like a Lamborghini? Talk about your cool factor. And who wouldn't want to ride in a Murciélago GT race car?

Use the Internet. Get some perspective. And carry on discussion.
 
Am I right in thinking we have no GT5 screenshots yet?
 
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