Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.

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im just glad that the ferrari's are in there now coz theres no better car looks wise and i beg 2 argue with anyone who thinks otherwise
 
If Sony/PD were able to squeeze a Ferrari F430 into GTHD, then all I have to say is:

1 - PS3 $600
1- GTHD: $60
Driving A Ferrari F430 around Nurburgring: PRICELESS! :D
 
If Sony/PD were able to squeeze a Ferrari F430 into GTHD, then all I have to say is:

1 - PS3 $600
1- GTHD: $60
Driving A Ferrari F430 around Nurburgring: PRICELESS! :D
^ I can add to that:

(In US Dollars)

1 - PS3 = $600
1 - GTHD = $60
1 - 56 in. HDTV w/ 1080p = $2000
1 - Logitech G25 for PS3 = $300
1 - Sparco seat + frame = $800
1 - GT5 = $60
? - Downloads and upgrades online = $???

Just having all of these, and save your gas on you real car = :drool:PRICELESS:crazy:

(:
 
Something came to mind today.

Suppose the 599GTB and the F430 are the only Ferraris in the next GT game.

How much you want to bet the same ol' folks who complained about no Ferrari would then be whining about not enough Ferraris?
 
PS3 - £425
GT HD - £50
Dell 2407FPW - £640
Driving Force Pro - £54

£1169 - for that price may as well do the real thing it's cheaper! LOL, you could get like 7 red letter days for that.
 
If you’re going to buy an HDTV, then you might as well buy one from a better brand, like these:

LG
Phillips
Panasonic
Sony
Samsung
 
I think you're a little harsh, Harry, GT HD has lots of benefits to those who are interested, Online play for a damned start! It's just that the download system puits everyone off. I'm sure we'll adjust to it, it's not on, but hey, life isn't on, I think that's what KY wants us to think, "in real life you don't get everything" - true, that destroys one of the advantages of the virtual world, but hey, I'm happy with one each of the R32, R33 and R34 skyline, I don't need all the different variants so that saves me £30 right there.

There are benefits to the game, but there are potential problems, too. Not having any real content on the disc is a problem. When the PS3 eventually dies (and with all the people who have seen the red circle of death on the PS2...), I had better be reassured that Sony kept a record of what's been downloaded. I have yet to see an example of someone transferring downloaded data from a dead XBOX360 to a new one.

But basically I'm a pessimist: this outlook has left me happily surprised at how GT4 turned out (even with all its shortcomings). There's so much not known, not properly answered with GTHD/GT5 that I just sit back and assume the worst.

Polyphony001
The problem with "including this, including that" from message boards is that the games take so bloody long to make in the first place, they don't have time to scout around adding things, remember how late GT4 was? That was without any of the extra stuff we posted in our wishlist. This is the EXACT reason why there are online updates, you don't have to leave it until next game and then forget about it, you can release the game, have a coffee break, then make a new feature and get it out on the web!

It's surely too late now, but ever since GT4 went gold, people have been discussing & arguing about GT5 nonstop. It's not like this is some rinky-dink little chat group abandoned on Usenet; this is a pretty well-known forum with some rather sensible & knowledgeable people. If Polyphony had a half-decent marketing department, they'd have watched this website from day one. But they don't; and the proof is the consistent failure to fix core problems with the game, while other developers eat their lunch. Each of GT's competitors better it in one way or another (but I don't think any of them are better all-around).
 
I'd probably be looking at a way of backing up the data I get on my PS3, purely because I don't trust hard disks to be invulnerable storage devices, because they just aren't. I see what you mean about assuming the worst. I don't really think that's my tack, but I don't assume anything that hasn't been proven, like if people say "yeah but this is a preview so the real thing will be better", really? It all too often hasn't been, so I imagine the game no more (and sometimes a little less...) than what we see in previews.
Your closing statement is very accurate. There are numerous games that have done certain things better than PD, but not one game that's done ALL of them better. And anybody who moans at the graphics not being quite up to scratch, the GTHD images look better than Forza 2 even in Classic mode, let alone premium mode, so I wouldn't worry about THAT!
 
This would be my primary complainy, *McLaren{/B]. You know, great- we have Ferrari. But what if there wasn't enough Ferraris? You know the "fanboys" will want as many as possible so they can be tempted to race something other than a Skyline or some Kei car. There in lies some greed. Greed is a sin. My storyline is if there can be enough Ferraris to convince people that they are indeed a viable brand in a game featuring them for the first time. How many Ferraris would be too many? How many Ferraris would be too little? As some reference, there are approximately 36 Mazdas in GT4. But among German cars, there are about 15 Volkswagens and 17 Mercedes-Benz. I think somewhere north of 10 cars and no more than 20 (or 25 for a push) would be a safe and happy number to satisfy everyone. I just want my Risi Competizione Ferraris, damn it! ^_^ I know there's that Forza 2 logo, but PD will need to get in touch with Risi to do some deals with Polyphony. Imagine if Risi Competizione showcased Forza 2 this season, but let's say... sponsored GT5 at next year's Sebring or next year's Le Mans? Hmm...

I'm just looking for a few key Ferraris:
Ferrari F430
Ferrari F430GT Berlinetta Race Car
Ferrari 360 Modena
Ferrari 360 Modena Challenge (a paint option would be impressive)
Ferrari 250 GT
Ferrari 333SP (racing variants would also help in addition to a base 333SP)

Use the links I've posted in my earlier posts to decide what Ferraris you think we should see vs. what Ferraris PD may end up giving us.

So yet another good point, *McLaren*. Any of you have a response to what *McLaren* hinted about in Post #485 { https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2435000&postcount=485 }?
 
I'm just looking for a few key Ferraris:
Ferrari F430
Ferrari F430GT Berlinetta Race Car
Ferrari 360 Modena
Ferrari 360 Modena Challenge (a paint option would be impressive)
Ferrari 250 GT
Ferrari 333SP (racing variants would also help in addition to a base 333SP)

I'd kill for the 612 or 575/550.

We need more large grand tourers in Gran Turismo.
 
Of course there'll be whining. Being a Le Mans fan, I'll complain if PD doesn't include ALL the Ferraris that have won or raced in Le Mans - The Testarossa, the GTO and the 512 on top of the list .

Nowadays Ferraris are indeed great cars, but about 80% of their "charm" comes from the heritage they benefit from. I want the cars that created the myth, not the ones that benefit from that.

You see, the whining is inevitable ... :D
 
If you’re going to buy an HDTV, then you might as well buy one from a better brand, like these:

LG
Phillips
Panasonic
Sony
Samsung

Uhh... Samsung is a Korean brand and LG is Chinese. You've got to be careful about reliability issues there, no matter how good they look. Just a word of caution before anyone decides to buy anything from them.

As for the Ferraris, I do hope Polyphony Digital includes my favourite vintage models...

1976 Ferrari 400

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1980 Ferrari Mondial

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1975 Ferrari 308 GTB

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1974 Ferrari 308 GT4

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Some of the new Ferrari models look horrible.
 
LG stuff is fantastic, their Plasma TVs are the best in their class when I see them and I've had no issues with their optical drives. They never used to be as good as they are now, but they've come on leaps and bounds in the last few years.
 
Uhh... Samsung is a Korean brand and LG is Chinese. You've got to be careful about reliability issues there, no matter how good they look. Just a word of caution before anyone decides to buy anything from them..

Regardless of where the TV's are from, I know both Panasonic and Samsung routinely get high reviews for their products on 3rd party sites such as CNET and online reviews from retailers such as Circuity City here in the states.

I have a Panasonic TV and absolutely love it and will be getting a 2nd one hopefuly by the end of the year..just bigger (42in.) then the one I have now. (32') :D
 
As for the Ferraris, I do hope Polyphony Digital includes my favourite vintage models...

Ferrari 400

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Ferrari Mondial

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Ferrari 308 GTB

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Ferrari 308 GT4

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Some of the new Ferrari models look horrible.

^ Nice choice mate! Well for me, I would love to see:

- Testarossa '88
- 250 GTO Berlinetta '62
- F40 '92
- F355 Berlinetta '95
- Dino '72
- Koenig Competition Evoluzione '89

(:
 
Aha so there is someone else like me here!
I'm not saying Ferrari's presence in the game is a bad thing, only that Maranellos in the GT series is over-hyped. Sure they're possibly the most prestigious manufacturer, but I just think the DB9 is far easier on the eye and the sound is just gorgeous; it's the Jennifer Hawkins of the motoring world. Even being passed by one is a beautiful thing, one took me on the mountain road between my home and university the other day. I then got to follow it for the next 70km.
 
There are benefits to the game, but there are potential problems, too. Not having any real content on the disc is a problem. When the PS3 eventually dies (and with all the people who have seen the red circle of death on the PS2...), I had better be reassured that Sony kept a record of what's been downloaded. I have yet to see an example of someone transferring downloaded data from a dead XBOX360 to a new one.


Ummmm....who cares? The downloads are attached to your gamertag.....which means if you lose your harddrive you can just sign in with your gamertag and redownload them for free.
In fact, you can download them onto as many machines as once if you'd like, but they will only be available to use when YOUR gamertag is signed in. They will be disabled for anyone else who hasn't bought the download.
So download on my 360 friends. You won't lose all that money on your downloads if your 360 dies.
 
Of course there'll be whining. Being a Le Mans fan, I'll complain if PD doesn't include ALL the Ferraris that have won or raced in Le Mans - The Testarossa, the GTO and the 512 on top of the list .

Nowadays Ferraris are indeed great cars, but about 80% of their "charm" comes from the heritage they benefit from. I want the cars that created the myth, not the ones that benefit from that.
I agree. 👍 I'd love to drive those classic racing and road cars. As well as the F430, Enzo, FXX, F50 and F40.
 
I've been having to deal with a sore jaw while trying to recover from the dental work I got on Thursday. I've been thinking along the way. It's time I offer a little "John-alysis" on this Ferrari deal. Get ready for another long post of my own perssonal comments.



(1) - PASSIONATE VIEW ON FERRARIS FINALLY BEING INCLUDED
Since joining GTPlanet in early December 2003, I've been looking for a long while to see GT4 being developed. I've seen all kinds of ideas mentioned ranging from online play to the inclusion of the three long-debated companies. I've read everything from "PD doesn't want anything faster than Skylines" to all kinds of hullaballoo concerning not being a supercar game. Some of the more "fanboyish" claims on GT4 vs. Forza was that Forza had real sports cars while GT was apparentely too slow for everyone else's standards. My claim in the past has been that world-renowned companies have existed since Gran Turismo 1. Just not as many. GT2 turned up the heat on including as many car companies as possible. GT3 saw most of the same companies in, just not with as many cars. GT4 was basicaly a world of cars with the debut of Spanish, Swedish, Korean, and even Dutch cars. People still think the Italian and German lineups were incomplete in GT4... until now. The Prancing Horse almost everyone loves (I'm a Ferrari fan myself) will be in GTHD and even GT5. To make matters better, PD and Ferrari are told to undergo some sort of negotiating and marketing deal. This inclusion is huge for PD because it will give the brand-crazy people something to shut up and enjoy. I've always appreciated a world of cars. That almost always comes first before any big-name car companies. The only true negative to PD getting Ferrari is that most other games and game companies have Ferraris and such included. Having said this, is it possible for PD to deliver a wonderful game even while most others had Ferrari? How many people (mainstream and underground) do you see go around in Forza discussions talking about their Honda Civics or Nissan Skylines? Note I said FORZA. The answer- hardly any. Why? It's because Forza has been seen more as a real sports car fan's game. The daily drivers are still there, but not with the diversity GT4 provided. The diversity will be enhanced as Ferrari makes its Gran Turismo debut. Now that PD has some Ferrari love, they need to capitalize and make sure that they have PLENTY to offer for its fans. That includes everyone from the easily impressed to the obsessively ungrateful. Let's see how many complainers will come when GTHD and GT5 will have full-song Ferraris.

(2) - RECAP OF MY PAST VIEWS ON FERRARI BEFORE GTHD
My issue was always about the satisfaction issue of Ferraris in a game series like the Gran Turismo series. Has GT been a good series without Ferrari? Sure. Every GT has been a Greatest Hit not because certain car companies are in, but because the game still remains fun and well-enjoyed. I said I was still a GT guy even when Enthusia entered my PS2 game library. I admitted that Enthusia delivered that sort of sneak attack on me. This game had the [Dauer] Bugatti EB110, which is one of the bigtime cars most supercar types crave. Even this game featured the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren. This love-it-or-hate-it supercar is also a bigtime sports car. Yet still, it gets tossed to the wayside by people wanting Ferraris and stuff. Almost every sports car and supercar-related issue I've addressed concerning GT games has earned me some compliments, hateful comments, drawn-out arguments that gets nowhere in a hurry, and even the loss of my "Quality Posts" badge. I still managed to deliver some like-it-or-not comments regardless of what anyone thought. I don't know how many conversations I've gotten into in which I just can't seem to get some people to understand my views on Ferrari and the GT series. It's like trying to win a battle that never ends or gets settled. I stayed on with my points because I thought people really doubted what the GT series was really about. I'm exceptionally proud to see Ferrari in GTHD with perhaps many more to come. All the while, I've never hated Ferrari. I love Ferrari. My problem has just been the supercar obsession, like the 500-600 other types of cars in GT4 were insignificant.



(3) - GTHD AND GT5 IS NO DIFFERENT EVEN WITHOUT FERRARI
Don't make this the primary reason to care about GT5 and GTHD. I always say that gameplay is more important than most of the nit-picky issues people always like to instill in our minds about this game's inclusion of Ferrari at long last. Car companies will come and go in a game like Gran Turismo. The thing people put on this game series is that it's not a real car fan's game, which is a complete lie. It's like I say- don't let the mainstream types tell you off. All these stereotypes and myths shouldn't be believed. Perhaps the reason why I haven't been so happy-go-lucky with these such cars and car companies is because I don't think about them 24/7, nor do I think they are what real racing games are made of. Racing games are made of... RACING. Didn't the go-kart racing in "ToCA Race Driver 3" and Global GT Lights (I love those cars! About as much as the Palmer Jaguar JP1 cars) teach you that you can go fast in anything? Part of my beef with some people has been about people thinking the GT series is too slow. Hell. What about riding in a Pescarolo doing 180+ on the Hunadieres of Le Mans? If GT was THAT slow, then maybe the game should be exclusive to Kei cars so that EVERYONE can complain to the high heavens. There's just that sort of greed issue people put onto this issue and wished this wasn't as critical of an issue. But what can I do about it? I'm a PS2 gamer like most other people in my age range. I just wish that my opinion would be as valued as the next "no Ferrari, no GT game" complainer.



(4) - HOW DOES PD COMBAT THE "CARS YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO DRIVE" COMMENT (Forza Motorsport, EGM), AND CAN GTHD AND GT5 ACTUALLY CHANGE UP THE FORMULA SO THAT IT'S NOT A CONSIDERABLE FACTOR IN ITS JUDGING?
Part of the negatives of listening to the public and mainstream is that you have to take in every comment from the most true comments to the utterly ludicrous. Well, this is no different. It's only "cars you actually want to drive" because people think Polyphony Digital is too lazy or inconsiderate in picking up Ferrari and such. Let me go back to the GT4 online chat with GT4 producer, Taku Imasaki. Here is the response GTPlanet's own (and one of my good buddies) cobragt asked Taku-san about why there is no Ferrari:

"When you don't see a car in GT, it's either 1. doesn't make sense financially 2.other game companies have exclusive rights to it 3. we didn't have enough assets to create it within our time constraints --- we know you wanted the game in your hands!"

So is PD actually THAT lazy? GT4 locked up Bentley. Tourist Trophy locked up freaking Ducati and Aprilia. Sports cars are in the game. Damn it to hell, USE THEM! It's been my primary complaint with people knocking the game series. It's almost as if PD has to deal with certain ingrates who can't be satisfied with any game that doesn't feature big-name sports car companies is of no interest. Maybe it's why people preferred something like "Need for Speed: Most Wanted" over something like GT4 or Enthusia- at least big name car companies can be found unlike the two I mentioned (according to some people). It's where you can proudly speedfreak an Enzo and crush anything that doesn't come from the big three of the supercar realm. It's my primary criticism- people are hard to satisfy sometimes, especially in the realm of Gran Turismo. Some people have been total ingrates. It's one of the deals I just can't seem to understand with some people. Is there enough sports cars? Is there NOT enough sports cars? How many will make you happy so that we can stop all this bullcrap about the deficiency of enough sports cars in a Gran Turismo game? Can we actually stop the pain? Is there a vaccine for this? Is Ferrari enough? The stereotype that GT is a Skyline and Kei heaven should be avoided. You finally have a chance to race Ferraris so that you can enjoy pure sports cars. It's why I say that only pure car fans should be the ones looking for Ferraris except the cheap thrills crowd. Real car people appreciate "Lam Por Ferra" while non automotive purists just want the fastest cars possible since life seems to be short for anything that isn't a "Lam Por Ferra."



Other than this, welcome to GT, Ferrari! ^_^ By the way, I don't think a lot of Ferrari fans would like GT5 to have just the Ferraris you shown, condraz23. The reoccuring fear is that people would feel like what happens to Ferrari's inclusion in GT5 could be like the only Marcos in GT4. Sort of a premonition. You're always free to share your mind. About as much as I shared ALL of my mind on this post!
 
Let's face it, GT is GT, and not Need for Speed. There's less of a "need for speed" and more a "need to drive"
That's a fantastic post, John, and I agree with pretty much all of it. The sort of mentality that "omg wtf tbh n0 l4mb0rgh1n1z PD sux0rs l8rs kthx bye" - or maybe a little more in english that's exhibited by most people shows people who are never going to be true GT fans becase they just don't appreciate what the game is about. I like to think most of us here do.
 
I am glad for at least some Ferrari's being included, but not for the speed of them, just 2 simple reasons.

1:
Classic Ferrari's are the most beautiful in the world
e.g
Dino GTS,
250 SWG,
250 GTO,
250 Tour de France,
275,
275 Nart Spider,
F40
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I am not to keen on the modern Ferrari, it has become something of a Footballers trophy rather than the 'drivers' car it should be.

The second reason ... ooo the sound! I would say that there is only one car that can beat the sound of a Ferrai, and that would be a Zonda F .... oooo I have tingles already.


Edit: To the above post with 80's pics ... not a great fan of them, except the 308 GTB, reminds me of the 288 GTO.
 
Has GT been a good series without Ferrari? Sure.
That was always my position too. Nothing was a dealbreaker with me, whether it was Ferrari, drifting contests or damage. It had too much to offer me in relation to any other driving game on the market, and not having to fudge around with wheel controller PC issues was a huge plus to me.

Ferrari is a great addition, but to me it's just extra ingredients in an already sweet dessert.
 
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