Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.
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I'm screwed anyways, i'm going to college next year. I won't even be able to afford a PS3. I've always had bad timing in my life, but this really sucks. Better start working more.
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The inclusion of Ferrari in GTHD has me to ask if the inclusion of Ferrari will change your perception about the GT series as a whole.
DISCUSSION 1 - NOW THAT FERRARI'S IN THE HOUSE...
I've always been under the presumption that there is still some old-fashioned elements most people don't take account for. It's why I never hated GT because of a certain number of car companies missing. But most other people hated GT because they weren't featured. It accounts for about 50% of the reason why people prefered the PGR series (which I respect) and the Forza series. Some people think this is about certain cars in the game. The presumption people make on GT games is, "they have in 700 cars, but not Ferrari?" People still have to admit that GT has done pretty damn well without such companies. So complain as they may, GT still sells millions and even billions since the first incarnation. EVERY variation between GT1 and GT4 was a Greatest Hit. Many fans still love the series for the fun of the car culture and going out to the track to race. It is the best racing series of the modern era. What disgusts me is how people just think the game is not as good as it could be... but ONLY because of these missing car companies. Here is a list of some of the bullcrap I've been forced to read on GTPlanet and on other sites ever since I got Internet access:
"...Maybe Ferrari is scared of seeing their cars losing to Skylines."
"...PD doesn't like Italians."
I think people who want Ferrari are usually people who really appreciate cars in general and not be so happy-go-lucky with supercars. No disrespect, but I think REAL car fans are the ones who should be rooting for Ferrari and not just the ones who think games like this are too slow to have cars that aren't worth anything (at least in that person's mind). I've defended PD back then because they had world-respected car companies. Even GT1 had about two established companies- Aston Martin and Chevrolet. I'll even say that Mazda is in that category as it's been the only Japanese company to REALLY make a mark on the world auto stage or in some variation of racing. In fact, it did the one thing Toyota and Nissan couldn't do- win Le Mans. Many more established companies made their way into GT2 on out. GT2 had Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi, Lotus, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Peugeot, Opel, Shelby, MG, and even Ford. GT3 added a few more including Panoz, Gillet, and Tickford of Ford Australia. GT4 added (Texas' own) Chapparral, Autobianchi, Marcos (albeit the Mini Marcos GT), Dome, Hyundai with rally success, and the biggest name- Bentley. So just because these well-debatable companies aren't present in GT games doesn't mean that PD hasn't done their homework on what cars to include. This new deal by PD may allow for all kinds of cars to be put in. So some of you all who throw fits because certain cars aren't included will have a chance to pipe down perhaps play the dream GT you've wanted since 1997 and 1998. Realism freaks will really get the character and sole they crave.
DISCUSSION 2 - NOTHING TO BE DISCOURAGED ABOUT
I've meant no disrespect when I said that the inclusion of Ferrari and such are just car companies. But that's a fact. Some people just see these as the only reason to buy a racing game. Well, it's not. You buy a racing game because you want the experience of going fast in just about anything the game developer gives you. PD could have given you a BMX bike to race against Le Mans Prototypes, but it's still going about going fast and driving smartly. That hasn't changed no matter what racing games there are out there. But no. People put a bigger price tag on cars in the game. If this was true, then Ferrari F355 Challenge would be the best racing game ever only because you're racing Ferraris and not "grocery getters." This inclusion changes my perception of the GT series, but not in ways that you'd think. All I care about is action. Give me a car, find me some jive turkeys to race against, and I'll let them show them suckers what time it is. If anything changes my personal perception of GT, it's that the game will be bigger and much more as if the best way to make a name for yourself in GT is to win. The usual crybaby stuff is something I don't experience or exude to others. The inclusion of a certain car company or companies shouldn't change anyone's perception unless it's really needed. Did the series really need Ferrari? No. It's there now. Just don't say that this is all of a sudden the best game only because of this car company. Don't let it rule the roost, so to speak. And I've always provided an optomistic view on this to others. I always say that this is nothing to fear. It's only sad if you think such companies are "missing." You doubters really have nothing to fear on this deal.
DISCUSSION 3 - PD GOT THEM... NOW WHERE DO THEY GO WITH THEM?
I think PD would like to capitalize with them and make the most of that Ferrari deal instead of the "fanboy-ism" EA games have given. The fewest Ferraris PD can work with is maybe 5. The most they can do is almost limitless. Ferrari has so much history in automobiles and in racing. They may need to do some things to compete with its Microsoft rival (Forza Motorsport series. To give you some perspective as to what Forza brought to the table with Ferrari, here is a list of Ferraris Forza gives XBOX fans:
--- Ferraris in Forza Motorsport ---
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello
2004 Ferrari 360 Modena
1964 Ferrari 250 GTO
2003 Enzo Ferrari
1995 Ferrari F50
1993 Ferrari 512 TR
1984 Ferrari GTO
1992 Ferrari F40
1967 Ferrari 330 P4
1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT
1998 Ferrari 355 GTS
2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
1996 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione
1998 Ferrari F355 Challenge
2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello
2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
I've compiled this list from { http://www.webquad.com/forza/content/view/39/44/ }. There is a count of about 16 Ferraris in Forza. I've always said that Forza is more of a sports car fan's sim racer than GT's more diverse lineup of cars. I've raced a few of them in demo plays in my Forza experience. I sort of liked using the Ferrari 330 P4 in the Time Trial at Pacific Shipyards' road course. I think a Ferrari PD could cash in on is the beautiful 1966 Ferrari Dino 206 SP. You talk about sex on wheels? The Dino 206 SP is like that voluptuous supermodel you guys always wanted to meet in person. This car is slick, low, and just lovely. The Ferrari Dino 246 GTS is also nice to look into. I think this car is in the OutRun 2 series, and it's the easiest Ferrari to drive in that game. I think they really need to pick up the Ferrari 360 Modena, the F430, the 333SP, and my favorite race car of all-time: the Momo Ferrari 333SP. As a special favor, give Risi Competizione some GT love! It's the sportscar racing power of my hometown and my home state. In fact, Doran Enterprises and Risi Competizione have fielded two pretty good cars with the Ferrari 333SP. It's a shame this beautiful car isn't out racing anymore. I'd love to see Ferrari return to prototype competition, even if for privateer efforts. Just make a car built to current prototype specifications and come out with something lovely. Certainly the Risi Competizione F430GT would be sweet enough. Risi and Doran both need some representation. If they can do Forza, certainly GT types can get some love if both firms don't be monopolistic.
More opinions in the future if I get any good responses to respond to.
DISCUSSION 1 - NOW THAT FERRARI'S IN THE HOUSE...
I've always been under the presumption that there is still some old-fashioned elements most people don't take account for. It's why I never hated GT because of a certain number of car companies missing. But most other people hated GT because they weren't featured. It accounts for about 50% of the reason why people prefered the PGR series (which I respect) and the Forza series. Some people think this is about certain cars in the game. The presumption people make on GT games is, "they have in 700 cars, but not Ferrari?" People still have to admit that GT has done pretty damn well without such companies. So complain as they may, GT still sells millions and even billions since the first incarnation. EVERY variation between GT1 and GT4 was a Greatest Hit. Many fans still love the series for the fun of the car culture and going out to the track to race. It is the best racing series of the modern era. What disgusts me is how people just think the game is not as good as it could be... but ONLY because of these missing car companies. Here is a list of some of the bullcrap I've been forced to read on GTPlanet and on other sites ever since I got Internet access:
"...Maybe Ferrari is scared of seeing their cars losing to Skylines."
"...PD doesn't like Italians."
I think people who want Ferrari are usually people who really appreciate cars in general and not be so happy-go-lucky with supercars. No disrespect, but I think REAL car fans are the ones who should be rooting for Ferrari and not just the ones who think games like this are too slow to have cars that aren't worth anything (at least in that person's mind). I've defended PD back then because they had world-respected car companies. Even GT1 had about two established companies- Aston Martin and Chevrolet. I'll even say that Mazda is in that category as it's been the only Japanese company to REALLY make a mark on the world auto stage or in some variation of racing. In fact, it did the one thing Toyota and Nissan couldn't do- win Le Mans. Many more established companies made their way into GT2 on out. GT2 had Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi, Lotus, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Peugeot, Opel, Shelby, MG, and even Ford. GT3 added a few more including Panoz, Gillet, and Tickford of Ford Australia. GT4 added (Texas' own) Chapparral, Autobianchi, Marcos (albeit the Mini Marcos GT), Dome, Hyundai with rally success, and the biggest name- Bentley. So just because these well-debatable companies aren't present in GT games doesn't mean that PD hasn't done their homework on what cars to include. This new deal by PD may allow for all kinds of cars to be put in. So some of you all who throw fits because certain cars aren't included will have a chance to pipe down perhaps play the dream GT you've wanted since 1997 and 1998. Realism freaks will really get the character and sole they crave.
DISCUSSION 2 - NOTHING TO BE DISCOURAGED ABOUT
I've meant no disrespect when I said that the inclusion of Ferrari and such are just car companies. But that's a fact. Some people just see these as the only reason to buy a racing game. Well, it's not. You buy a racing game because you want the experience of going fast in just about anything the game developer gives you. PD could have given you a BMX bike to race against Le Mans Prototypes, but it's still going about going fast and driving smartly. That hasn't changed no matter what racing games there are out there. But no. People put a bigger price tag on cars in the game. If this was true, then Ferrari F355 Challenge would be the best racing game ever only because you're racing Ferraris and not "grocery getters." This inclusion changes my perception of the GT series, but not in ways that you'd think. All I care about is action. Give me a car, find me some jive turkeys to race against, and I'll let them show them suckers what time it is. If anything changes my personal perception of GT, it's that the game will be bigger and much more as if the best way to make a name for yourself in GT is to win. The usual crybaby stuff is something I don't experience or exude to others. The inclusion of a certain car company or companies shouldn't change anyone's perception unless it's really needed. Did the series really need Ferrari? No. It's there now. Just don't say that this is all of a sudden the best game only because of this car company. Don't let it rule the roost, so to speak. And I've always provided an optomistic view on this to others. I always say that this is nothing to fear. It's only sad if you think such companies are "missing." You doubters really have nothing to fear on this deal.
DISCUSSION 3 - PD GOT THEM... NOW WHERE DO THEY GO WITH THEM?
I think PD would like to capitalize with them and make the most of that Ferrari deal instead of the "fanboy-ism" EA games have given. The fewest Ferraris PD can work with is maybe 5. The most they can do is almost limitless. Ferrari has so much history in automobiles and in racing. They may need to do some things to compete with its Microsoft rival (Forza Motorsport series. To give you some perspective as to what Forza brought to the table with Ferrari, here is a list of Ferraris Forza gives XBOX fans:
--- Ferraris in Forza Motorsport ---
2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello
2004 Ferrari 360 Modena
1964 Ferrari 250 GTO
2003 Enzo Ferrari
1995 Ferrari F50
1993 Ferrari 512 TR
1984 Ferrari GTO
1992 Ferrari F40
1967 Ferrari 330 P4
1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT
1998 Ferrari 355 GTS
2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
1996 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione
1998 Ferrari F355 Challenge
2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello
2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
I've compiled this list from { http://www.webquad.com/forza/content/view/39/44/ }. There is a count of about 16 Ferraris in Forza. I've always said that Forza is more of a sports car fan's sim racer than GT's more diverse lineup of cars. I've raced a few of them in demo plays in my Forza experience. I sort of liked using the Ferrari 330 P4 in the Time Trial at Pacific Shipyards' road course. I think a Ferrari PD could cash in on is the beautiful 1966 Ferrari Dino 206 SP. You talk about sex on wheels? The Dino 206 SP is like that voluptuous supermodel you guys always wanted to meet in person. This car is slick, low, and just lovely. The Ferrari Dino 246 GTS is also nice to look into. I think this car is in the OutRun 2 series, and it's the easiest Ferrari to drive in that game. I think they really need to pick up the Ferrari 360 Modena, the F430, the 333SP, and my favorite race car of all-time: the Momo Ferrari 333SP. As a special favor, give Risi Competizione some GT love! It's the sportscar racing power of my hometown and my home state. In fact, Doran Enterprises and Risi Competizione have fielded two pretty good cars with the Ferrari 333SP. It's a shame this beautiful car isn't out racing anymore. I'd love to see Ferrari return to prototype competition, even if for privateer efforts. Just make a car built to current prototype specifications and come out with something lovely. Certainly the Risi Competizione F430GT would be sweet enough. Risi and Doran both need some representation. If they can do Forza, certainly GT types can get some love if both firms don't be monopolistic.
More opinions in the future if I get any good responses to respond to.
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- JMarine25
I've been looking back at some of my old posts in this thread. I never realized that this thread is going on one year old. The biggest variable in any such discussion is time. The passing of time has led us from speculation on Ferrari's supposed abscence from any GT action. Now look about 11 months later- GTHD and... Ferrari! I've seen my fair share of respect from some of my GTP buddies and hate from some of my non-believers. Funny how times have changed in the matter of the Ferrari speculation and the 2006 Tokyo Game Show. If you have time on your hands, just look back at some of the first pages of data on this issue. You'll see how far we've come on this deal.
True, the passing of time has led to great improvements in technology as well. My expectations at this point are being able to use a PS3/GT/G25 combination and revving the F40 to its redline on the tsukuba straight, braking late while dubble clutching vigorously just to see the car spit out small bits of unburned fuel. But it'll probably be for GT9 or so because they never seem to manage making a game according to my expectations
Or maybe i'm just a difficult person ? 
Robin
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The list above would be a good starting point for GT to have, I wouldnt mind it if the cars above and maybe few others where in GT5 but seeing as its been so long for PD to get this licence I am sure that they are going to take advantage and do some more classic or rare ones aswell as special versions..... GT has always felt like a car collection game, as KY said he wanted the game to feel like a historic collection of some of the worlds most important cars hence why we have things like the model T and the motor carrige thingy. So im thinking will see some very interesting models aswell as ure 360's and F430's, some may not be fast or pretty but it would be much better than to just have the fanboy glorified ones like in NFS, TDU and PGR. I dont think im explaining this very well but basically give us the whole Ferrari treatment PD!
On another note, does anyone remember the DVD included with prologue? and there were Ferrari's being tested aswell...... hmmm makes you wonder if PD at that point where already in the process of getting the licence and wanted to collect data or engine noises whilst they had everything there to use in the future..... I remember the sight of Ferrari's at PD's testing sparked alot of rumours of thier inclusion.... any thoughts?
Robin
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As I've said before, we've come a long way from Ferrari speculation up to Ferraris in GT (at least for GTHD). I think I've provided a general basis as to where PD must go next with the Ferrari deal. I generally think that PD can look at what their rivals at Microsoft have done with Ferrari. They can look to fellow Japanese game developer, Sega, for some help with the OutRun series. I think PD needs to look at their competition and try to better their offer. I bet those of you that hate One-Make Races would love a 360 Modena one-make race series. Yeah. Talk about "being forced to race..." now. PD should think about this like with baseball. Everyone else thrown plenty of sliders and breaking balls at PD. When they deal, how do PD bat it out the park for a Home Run or a Grand Slam? They need to see what others have and try to better the competitions' offers. This is just about Polyphony Digital's first offering of Ferrari to GT fans. So how does Ferrari make a successful debut in the GT series? They just need to stick to their guns and don't make the game all-Ferrari or in a way that you only have Ferrari races. A proper formula needs to be created so that Ferrari's inclusion can really tickle the fancy of GT gamers alike. The reason why I brought up Forza Motorsport is because that's one of the key games to feature of the big-name companies. Just take a look at my only(?) Forza thread entitled "Forza Motorsport: One Year Later..." at { https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=80646 }. YSSMAN had one of the praises of Forza as including Ferrari and Porsche. That would be my storyline for PD in the coming months and years with this deal. I don't think it's real natural to get on PD like "why now, GT? Other games BEEN had Ferrari, and all of a sudden you just get this?" There were a lot of Nissans and such in GT, but is the game only about one car company? Never was. Closest you'll get to a one-make deal was when PD released one-make versions of GT for Toyota and BMW. And they weren't even true games. I'll bet you that if PD made a one-make version of GT5 with only Ferraris, that people will buy the game and probably forget about the full build of GT5. Do stay tuned to PD and Ferrari. I think PD will likely do as much as they can to expose Ferrari without making GT an all-Ferrari game.
Some people think this is only part of the puzzle with damage and online play considered for GT5. I know this thread is on Ferrari, but let's bump things up a bit.
* Are you okay with Porsche and Lamborghini being in the game now that one piece of the "Lam Por Ferra" puzzle is complete?
* Would you be okay with Porsche and Ruf in the game, or just Porsche?
* Would Lamborghini's inclusion sweeten a pot that's 10 years in the making?
* Could we see all three makes represented in GT5? What are the chances (out of 100%) that it WILL happen?
You're free to continue Ferrari talk here or look into my extra questions.
Some people think this is only part of the puzzle with damage and online play considered for GT5. I know this thread is on Ferrari, but let's bump things up a bit.
* Are you okay with Porsche and Lamborghini being in the game now that one piece of the "Lam Por Ferra" puzzle is complete?
* Would you be okay with Porsche and Ruf in the game, or just Porsche?
* Would Lamborghini's inclusion sweeten a pot that's 10 years in the making?
* Could we see all three makes represented in GT5? What are the chances (out of 100%) that it WILL happen?
You're free to continue Ferrari talk here or look into my extra questions.
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- Mangosaurus
Well, the simple fact is that the Ferrari F50 has a big influence on whether i buy a game or not (only two games i own have it - Forza and Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit 2 - the only reason i haven't sold NFS is because of the F50, Diablo and a couple of other cars.). Unfortunately all games i've played with that beast in it (NFS series, Forza plus a few others) have NOT done the car justice in looks/accuracy, sound nor [i presume] handling.
Polyphony are the only ones i trust will get all those things right, or as close to it as possible. I sincerely hope that the next GT will not simply copy every other game, and have more Ferrari's than any game has had previously.
Polyphony are the only ones i trust will get all those things right, or as close to it as possible. I sincerely hope that the next GT will not simply copy every other game, and have more Ferrari's than any game has had previously.
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I wouldn't guarantee anything in Gran Turismo HD, although it could potentially be an add-on online. Polyphony Digital are a bit slow off the mark to do anything groundbreaking each time round, but the PS3 offers real potential to actually achieve accurately behaving cars in big numbers, so if GTHD doesn't have it, I expect GT5 will, even if it's a download.
Robin
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I would be more than OK if they all were included in the game, Maybe now having Ferrari will make it easier to PD to get the other two because of status and 'the "if it good enough for Ferrari is good enough for me!" effect!' You never know maybe PD is pushing this to be the best GT ever by a long shot... soon they will aim to have EVERY manufacturer!JohnBM01
JohnBM01
It would always be good to have both but I would be happy with either, if we dont get Porsche for me it wont be a shame, PD will probably do new RUF's based on the newer Porsche lineup anyway... the only ones I will miss are the Carrera GT and the Cayenne which as I know are not 'Ruf-fed'.
JohnBM01
I think that would be the holy grail for GT, even more than Ferrari, I just feel their cars are ever more 'out there' and they need to be in such a concise car history game. We shall see.....
JohnBM01
Hmmm..... I would say around about 40-45% maybe 50% if your pushing it, as they say if one falls they all follow.....fingers crossed.....
Robin
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I'd say 5% for GTHD, anywhere between 10% and 80% depending on how successful Ferrari in GT HD is.
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- Nigel Fox
If you mean, just stick with Porsche and drop RUF, I'd say don't drop RUF. As I've said numberous times, don't ever take anything away from GT, just keep loading it up. That includes billions and billions of Skylines.
Lamborghini is definitely welcome. I really want the whole trifecta if we can possibly squeeze it out of Sony to pay for it. What's the point of being a car collector if you can't collect? And by golly, my 400+ car garage lets you know where I stand on that. Put in everything you possibly can.
As for the possibility of the other two (RUF aside which will undoubtedly be included), I'd say at launch over here it's pretty close to zero. But this is a game which will grow over the next year or two, so I'd say over the coming months prior to Gran Turismo 5's release, the chance is 66-75%. Keep in mind that the car list is going to grow another 90 cars or so over GT4, and they have to come from somewhere other than Skylines.
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All I know is that every time I get in a Ferrari in GT:HD or GT5 I'll be thinking to myself "why can't I race against a lamborghini or porsche?" Yes, it will be nice to have Ferraris, but if I had a choice of just Ferrari, or getting Lamborghini AND Porsche, I'd take two over one any day. Ferrari, while cool, isn't the end-all be-all manufacturer. Besides, I don't like red cars 
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I personally don't really care much about the addition of Porsche. RUF covers some, and I'm not really interested in what they don't cover! I see the other two as more important, and don't forget Maserati lol. In addition to Ferrari and maybe later the addition of the Lamborghini, it would be good to have the Venturi Atlantique, Lister Storm and Vector M12 back, they were cool. I just have this lovely dream of a grid on the Nurburgring, with those three, an F430, a few race-spec skylines, imprezas, evos, RX-7s, a Ford GT, BMW M5, DB9, RUF RGT and SL55. That's probably an absurdly ill-matched list of cars, but who cares? It'd be a fun race, and who knows, with the online downloads system it may one day be a reality!
The only reason why I'd want them to include Porsche is because, at least for me, a Ruf is a Ruf, but a Porsche is a Porsche. Despite the fact that Ruf makes "specialty" Porsches, I think a Porsche is more "special." There's just something about how Ruf changes the cars and puts their name on them that makes them completely different...and I'm not referring to the German Manufacturer's license that the company holds.
The performance enhancements also undermine comparisons between other cars and the cars that the Rufs are based on. It would be the same thing if Gran Turismo had Mine's Skyline GT-Rs, but not Nissan Skyline GT-Rs: "Dude my Skyline just kicked your Corvette's ass." "So what? It's a Mine's Skyline. Try picking a Nissan, or better yet, wait until I can whoop you in a Lingenfelter in GT5..."
Of course, critics of the performance of Porsches are far fewer than critics of the performance of Skyline GT-Rs, but the point remains the same.
The performance enhancements also undermine comparisons between other cars and the cars that the Rufs are based on. It would be the same thing if Gran Turismo had Mine's Skyline GT-Rs, but not Nissan Skyline GT-Rs: "Dude my Skyline just kicked your Corvette's ass." "So what? It's a Mine's Skyline. Try picking a Nissan, or better yet, wait until I can whoop you in a Lingenfelter in GT5..."
Of course, critics of the performance of Porsches are far fewer than critics of the performance of Skyline GT-Rs, but the point remains the same.
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Lol well, It wouldn't hurt, but I just think there are slightly higher priorities on the list, including the cars that were in the old games would be a good start! LOL - and with high polygon cars, I think Race Mods should come back, I still do.
- 26,911
- Houston, Texas, USA
- JMarine25
I've provided you all perspective on Ferrari's possibilities in GT5. Now let's take a look at Porsche probability. Take a look at Forza's Porsche list for some perspective from the Stuttgart outfit:
--- Porsches in Forza Motorsport ---
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS
1986 Porsche 959
2003 Porsche 911 GT3
2003 Porsche Carrera GT
1998 Porsche #26 911 GT1 Le Mans
1956 Porsche 550 A Spyder
1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
1989 Porsche 944 Turbo
1987 Porsche #17 962 C
1995 Porsche 911 GT2
2003 Porsche Boxster S
2003 Porsche 3R-Racing 911 GT3 Cup Driven by Mike Fitzgerald
2000 Porsche #23 Alex Job Racing 911GT3-RS
I've gotten this list from: { http://www.ferrago.com/story/5001 }. According to this list, there are only 13 Porsches in Forza Motorsport. I would share the "Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed" car list, but the Google results are too good for me to get a proper car list. So I'll forego mentioning NFS
U until I create my own car list from that game. Ferrari and Porsche would complete 2/3 the supercar "fanboy" puzzle. A variety of them would really get most people excited about this company being represented in GT5.
Now for Lamborghini. I'll use a variety of games to recall what past games featured Lamborghini.
--- Various Games Which Featured Lamborghini ---
Lamborghini Murcielago GT-R (GTR and GTR2)
" Diablo (Automobili Lamborghini - Nintendo 64)
Lamborghini Countach (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Diablo GT (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0 Special Edition (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Gallardo (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Gallardo SE (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Miura P400 SV (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Murciélago 6.2 (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Murciélago R-GT (Project Gotham Racing 3)
(A Diablo was featured in N64 lackluster game, "GT64 Championship Edition")
The thing that still moves me about Lamborghini is that my buddy * McLaren * said that Lamborghini wasn't really meant to be more of a company based on shattering speed records. It was also a practical supercar company. How the hell can you consider a Lambo V10 pushing no less than 500hp or a Lambo V12 pushing no less than 550hp practical? ^_^ People will still be under the presumption that Lamborghinis are speed demons for real car people. I seen a red Diablo roll around my neighborhood once. I don't know if it was the real thing or a kit car. I even encountered a Murcielago at the Houston Auto Show some time back. It's a really sexy, yet really low car. You want hot? That was the definition of hot. No doubt about it. Black has been a pretty popular color for the old Diablo. It was even the color of the Lamborghini Diablo VT in The Need for Speed (the 1994-1995 title and not recent ones). There are probably many more games which featured Lamborghini including even some F1 cars that had Lamborghini engines. But I'm talking about Lamborghini road-going Lamborghinis.
As for most other high-end sports cars and exotics, here is what PGR3 brought to the table:
(Derived from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cars_in_Project_Gotham_Racing_3 )
--- Project Gotham Racing 3's Interesting Sports Cars ---
Ariel Ltd. Atom 300 Supercharged
Aston Martin DBR9 GT
Bentley Continental GT
Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette Twin Turbo
Dodge Viper ACS
" " SRT-10 Carbon
" " " Coupe
Farboud GTS
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
" 365 GTB4 "Daytona" <
" 575M Maranello
" 612 Scaglietti <
" Enzo
" F40
" F430 Coupe
" F430 Challenge <
" F50
" F50 GT
" GTO Evoluzione
" Testarossa
Ford GT40 Mk-1
Shelby Cobra Concept
" " GR-1 Concept
Gumpert Apollo (I remembered saying that this looks like a car from the Ridge Racer series)
---see for yourself at this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumpert_Apollo
Honda NSX GT2 Turbo (Road Car)
Joss Supercar Prototype
Koenigsegg CC8S
" CCR
Lamborghini Countach
" Diablo GT
" Diablo VT 6.0 Special Edition
" Gallardo
" Gallardo SE <
" Miura P400 SV
" Murciélago 6.2
" Murciélago R-GT
Lotus Elise GT1
Maserati MC12
McLaren F1 LM
Mercedes-Benz CLK-DTM <
" CLK-GTR
" SLR McLaren
Nissan R390 GT1
" NISMO R34 GT-R Z-Tune <
Noble M14
" M400
Pagani Zonda C-12-S 7.3
" Zonda F <
Palmer Sport JP1 (one of my recent favorite cars)
Panoz Esperante GT-LM
Radical SR3 Turbo
" SR8 <
Ruf CTR (the "Yellow Bird" car)
" CTR-2
" R Turbo
" RGT RS
" RK Spyder <
" RT 12 <
" Supercar Concept
(my favorite Ruf was in GT2- the CTR-2 Sport. Not featured in PGR3.)
Saleen S281E
" S7
" S7 Twin-Turbo <
Shelby Cobra GT-500
" Mustang GT-500
Spyker C8 Double 12 S
Toyota GT-One
TVR Cerbera Speed 12
" Sagari
" Typhon
Ultima GTR
Vanwall GPR V12 <
Volkswagen W12 Coupe (Nardo) <- my least favorite concept in GT4. No handling.
Wiesmann GT
< = available as a download
That's a lot of interesting models I've selected, players. Here are some more discussion questions:
--- Ferrari Discussion ---
1.) What is the significance of Ferrari's inclusion to Polyphony Digital's juggernaut franchise? Is it something to really be excited about? Why or why not?
2.) Could GTHD have been as highly-anticipated without Ferrari?
3.) I made my own entry as to where PD should go with Ferrari. But where do YOU think PD should go with Ferrari? How many Ferraris do you think we will see in GTHD and potentially in GT5? How many would you like to see?
^ to help you in what cars you think will make it and what you'd like to see, visit these websites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=search.php&brand=Ferrari (beware of ads on pages)
* http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=627 (my favorite race car of all-time!)
* http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2596 (dullest-looking Ferrari of all-time.)
4.) Should Ferrari's inclusion be the only reason why one should play this game?
5.) Do you think PD will get the sounds as accurate or as close to accurate as possible for Ferraris? What are the chances (out of 100%) that PD excels in this department for Ferraris at least?
--- Porsches in Forza Motorsport ---
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS
1986 Porsche 959
2003 Porsche 911 GT3
2003 Porsche Carrera GT
1998 Porsche #26 911 GT1 Le Mans
1956 Porsche 550 A Spyder
1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
1989 Porsche 944 Turbo
1987 Porsche #17 962 C
1995 Porsche 911 GT2
2003 Porsche Boxster S
2003 Porsche 3R-Racing 911 GT3 Cup Driven by Mike Fitzgerald
2000 Porsche #23 Alex Job Racing 911GT3-RS
I've gotten this list from: { http://www.ferrago.com/story/5001 }. According to this list, there are only 13 Porsches in Forza Motorsport. I would share the "Need for Speed: Porsche Unleashed" car list, but the Google results are too good for me to get a proper car list. So I'll forego mentioning NFS
U until I create my own car list from that game. Ferrari and Porsche would complete 2/3 the supercar "fanboy" puzzle. A variety of them would really get most people excited about this company being represented in GT5.Now for Lamborghini. I'll use a variety of games to recall what past games featured Lamborghini.
--- Various Games Which Featured Lamborghini ---
Lamborghini Murcielago GT-R (GTR and GTR2)
" Diablo (Automobili Lamborghini - Nintendo 64)
Lamborghini Countach (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Diablo GT (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Diablo VT 6.0 Special Edition (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Gallardo (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Gallardo SE (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Miura P400 SV (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Murciélago 6.2 (Project Gotham Racing 3)
Lamborghini Murciélago R-GT (Project Gotham Racing 3)
(A Diablo was featured in N64 lackluster game, "GT64 Championship Edition")
The thing that still moves me about Lamborghini is that my buddy * McLaren * said that Lamborghini wasn't really meant to be more of a company based on shattering speed records. It was also a practical supercar company. How the hell can you consider a Lambo V10 pushing no less than 500hp or a Lambo V12 pushing no less than 550hp practical? ^_^ People will still be under the presumption that Lamborghinis are speed demons for real car people. I seen a red Diablo roll around my neighborhood once. I don't know if it was the real thing or a kit car. I even encountered a Murcielago at the Houston Auto Show some time back. It's a really sexy, yet really low car. You want hot? That was the definition of hot. No doubt about it. Black has been a pretty popular color for the old Diablo. It was even the color of the Lamborghini Diablo VT in The Need for Speed (the 1994-1995 title and not recent ones). There are probably many more games which featured Lamborghini including even some F1 cars that had Lamborghini engines. But I'm talking about Lamborghini road-going Lamborghinis.
As for most other high-end sports cars and exotics, here is what PGR3 brought to the table:
(Derived from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cars_in_Project_Gotham_Racing_3 )
--- Project Gotham Racing 3's Interesting Sports Cars ---
Ariel Ltd. Atom 300 Supercharged
Aston Martin DBR9 GT
Bentley Continental GT
Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette Twin Turbo
Dodge Viper ACS
" " SRT-10 Carbon
" " " Coupe
Farboud GTS
Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale
" 365 GTB4 "Daytona" <
" 575M Maranello
" 612 Scaglietti <
" Enzo
" F40
" F430 Coupe
" F430 Challenge <
" F50
" F50 GT
" GTO Evoluzione
" Testarossa
Ford GT40 Mk-1
Shelby Cobra Concept
" " GR-1 Concept
Gumpert Apollo (I remembered saying that this looks like a car from the Ridge Racer series)
---see for yourself at this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumpert_Apollo
Honda NSX GT2 Turbo (Road Car)
Joss Supercar Prototype
Koenigsegg CC8S
" CCR
Lamborghini Countach
" Diablo GT
" Diablo VT 6.0 Special Edition
" Gallardo
" Gallardo SE <
" Miura P400 SV
" Murciélago 6.2
" Murciélago R-GT
Lotus Elise GT1
Maserati MC12
McLaren F1 LM
Mercedes-Benz CLK-DTM <
" CLK-GTR
" SLR McLaren
Nissan R390 GT1
" NISMO R34 GT-R Z-Tune <
Noble M14
" M400
Pagani Zonda C-12-S 7.3
" Zonda F <
Palmer Sport JP1 (one of my recent favorite cars)
Panoz Esperante GT-LM
Radical SR3 Turbo
" SR8 <
Ruf CTR (the "Yellow Bird" car)
" CTR-2
" R Turbo
" RGT RS
" RK Spyder <
" RT 12 <
" Supercar Concept
(my favorite Ruf was in GT2- the CTR-2 Sport. Not featured in PGR3.)
Saleen S281E
" S7
" S7 Twin-Turbo <
Shelby Cobra GT-500
" Mustang GT-500
Spyker C8 Double 12 S
Toyota GT-One
TVR Cerbera Speed 12
" Sagari
" Typhon
Ultima GTR
Vanwall GPR V12 <
Volkswagen W12 Coupe (Nardo) <- my least favorite concept in GT4. No handling.
Wiesmann GT
< = available as a download
That's a lot of interesting models I've selected, players. Here are some more discussion questions:
--- Ferrari Discussion ---
1.) What is the significance of Ferrari's inclusion to Polyphony Digital's juggernaut franchise? Is it something to really be excited about? Why or why not?
2.) Could GTHD have been as highly-anticipated without Ferrari?
3.) I made my own entry as to where PD should go with Ferrari. But where do YOU think PD should go with Ferrari? How many Ferraris do you think we will see in GTHD and potentially in GT5? How many would you like to see?
^ to help you in what cars you think will make it and what you'd like to see, visit these websites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=search.php&brand=Ferrari (beware of ads on pages)
* http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=627 (my favorite race car of all-time!)
* http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2596 (dullest-looking Ferrari of all-time.)
4.) Should Ferrari's inclusion be the only reason why one should play this game?
5.) Do you think PD will get the sounds as accurate or as close to accurate as possible for Ferraris? What are the chances (out of 100%) that PD excels in this department for Ferraris at least?
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Interesting discussion, John. Some Lamborghinis are partially practical supercars in the sense that one of the recent Gallardos can run relatively quietly at low rpm (i.e. when you're not caning it) and has a raisable front end to navigate humps.
1. It is something to be excited about, depending on where it might lead. I for one am no great Ferrari fan, but I'm certainly not complaining.
2. Probably Not as highly anticipated, but not too far off it for me, everyone else will probably think differently!
3. I'd like to see a lot of the oldskool cool appear later on in GT5. I think we can only expect a small handul of recent models in GT HD, but I hope GT5 takes it further.
4. Absolutely not.
5. Possibly, I wouldn't like to say. I hope they do, and they ought to, given how much weight is being put on their inclusion.
1. It is something to be excited about, depending on where it might lead. I for one am no great Ferrari fan, but I'm certainly not complaining.
2. Probably Not as highly anticipated, but not too far off it for me, everyone else will probably think differently!
3. I'd like to see a lot of the oldskool cool appear later on in GT5. I think we can only expect a small handul of recent models in GT HD, but I hope GT5 takes it further.
4. Absolutely not.
5. Possibly, I wouldn't like to say. I hope they do, and they ought to, given how much weight is being put on their inclusion.
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I like the fact that GT will have Ferrari now, but they need more than that if they want to draw me away from having only Forza 2 and PGR3. What I really like about Forza 1 and PGR3 (and PGR2) is the diversity of supercars. I'm really pretty much only into the sports cars, I enjoy the oh so rare driving the Honda Civic Type R or something, but I'd rather have a good selection of sports cars then too many cars I won't use. One my main complaints with GT4 was that sports car diversity wasn't enough. You had the Zonda, the Ford GT, the RUFs, and that other Italian one. It was always disappointing going into the italian car makers, and you only had Pagani and Cizeta. How about Ferrari, Lambo and Bugatti? They should learn a bit from PGR3 on sportscar/supercar selection. In fact, PGR3's car selection is nearly perfect. It is missing a few cars that are featured in other games like Forza such as the Toyota Supra or Mitsubishi 3000GT, but the only big names missing (IMO) are Bugatti Veyron, Bugatti EB110 and Porsche and the Chrysler ME 4-12. They do have nice RUFs though. Unlike GT4, PGR3 has a much better selection of RUFs IMO, at least with the download packs anyway. The reason RUF isn't enough to cover Porsche is because you don't get the 959 or Carrera GT (+others).
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See my GT wishlist, over 100 Ferraris should be in the next GT.
http://www.freewebs.com/sagarisgtb/list.htm
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And that's likely is it? Given how much they're moaning about how long the cars take to design, new cars are getting less and less likely.
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Sure, its something to be excited about! Its been ages waiting for its inclusion in GT. It also shows that GT is almost achieving a world class status in the videogame world and companies 'want in'...... Im not a super Ferrari fan but hell, if I can drive one in GT the more the better!
On the other hand it may detract GT from being the individual type of game that it is..... basically if they start dropping your good old Nissan Cube and Stepwagon and start bowing down to supercar compaines it will soon just turn into a golrified dreamcar game, for some this would be great but I personally like the everyday car aspect to it.....but I reality I dont think that this will happen.
JohnBM01
Definately, one of the best selling playstation titles and possibly the best ever and most concise racing game ever making it first jump into next gen..... ofcourse it would still draw huge attraction, its just that Ferrari sweetens the cake.
JohnBM01
I think PD should include the older Ferraris and key models, basically a history of the brand, KY wants this to be a car collectors game and that would be what I want to see..... maybe include some of the less glam models and the lower powered ones..... so what if there not the uber 360's and Enzo's..... those are in every game! Bring PD's originality with GT to Ferrari's inclusion...But, having said that I still want the popular ones and racing ones... basically PD should go to town with this licence!
How may will we see in GT5..... I would say roughly 10, 15 at most.
JohnBM01
Hell NO! I think that would be a fanboy reason to buy GT, ofcourse people do buy games because they have certain cars but surely you would want to buy GT on its other merits other than Ferrari!... Having Ferrari will increase sales though.
JohnBM01
This is something I wanted to talk about, the sounds in PGR, Forza, NFSMW are really good..... deep and powerful, PD never really gets it right with sounds...... the cars all sound quite weedy and electronic... we need to hear those screaming V8's and V10's and the tones of the exsaust.
Seeing as Ferrari are always keen to glorify their cars in games and also keep close tabs on their digitalisation I would say the Ferrari,s will probably be spot on, I would say 70-80%.
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Yes and no. Ferrari's presence in GT has long since been surpassed by other needs like "better AI", "better car sounds", "SVT Lightning isn't 4WD", and "less Skyline's". It's definitely a plus, but it seems to be more of a saving-face type of thing, since just about every competitor has Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, or some combination of those. Not that these competitors are better driving/racing simluators (PGR) or better looking (Forza), but I think they gained market share primarily for having those marquis brands. How would Forza really stack up without Ferrari or Porsche? Wouldn't it just be considered a GT-wannabe? Wouldn't most people look past it, never getting to see that it's not so bad?
JohnBM01
I don't think so, especially with this junk about download-only content. Still, there's so many questions still unanswered, and just about every new tidbit of info seems to create more questions than it answers. It's hard to tell what Ferrari models it will have, what other brands will be there, and what the real deal is with downloadable content. In short, Ferrari was the only known good news with GTHD.
JohnBM01
I think GT should go back to what Yamauchi stated years ago: creating a museum of cars. Ferrari would be a prime candidate for doing this. Picking one or two per decade over the 60-year history of Ferarri would result in a nice round dozen, which is a lot less representation than the company deserves, but a good chunk nonetheless. The pessimist in me forsees just the 2007 lineup: 430, 599, 612, FXX, all non-modifiable. The way Ferrari was announced seemed like it was a marketing event for Ferrari, not Polyphony.
JohnBM01
No, no way. You should play the game if you want to see how Polyphony tries to move GT forward, and how Sony tries to feel their way through territory the XBOX & PC already know well (downloads & online). I won't be buying first, but I'll be close behind.
JohnBM01
Yeah, see my response to #1. The chances of this happening (after, what, 6 tries including Prologues?) are slim to no-effing-way: 3%, and I'm being generous. Like I said, I am a pessimist, but I like to think I'm mostly realistic, too. Looking at history is the best way to guess at the future. I wish Polyphony would look at the top 5 or 10 people & posts on this board. GTHD/GT5 would be so far ahead, like GT1 was in 1998.
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Well argued on the Ferrari inclusion, Robin, I'm no fan but I'm not complaining! I too hope it won't just become a supercar game, but given Kazunori Yamauchi's stance on racing, I don't think that's likely to happen.
I too agree about the sweetening of the cake (typically icing, but I see you've left the options open!)
In fact, I'm agreeing all along your post! I'd like to see some Ferrari heritage stuff, it ties in with the game's support of heritage sports cars. they have the opportunity, they should use it. If I'm honest, it'll be a later download or a GT5 addition, or a download once GT5 has been released! If it was likely to happen soon it'd be in the videos, and it ain't!
I expect a dozen or so Ferraris is reasonable, not before some all-important updates though, can the PS3 connect via LAN and if so can it use a non-firewalled port? Else I'm screwed for updates at university and I'll have to come home to do it. For a £55 return fare home from York, that makes the game even more expensive!
I also expect some people would buy GTHD on ths strength of Ferrari, but very few. The number of cars isn't great enough for a Ferrari fanatic. It may be another reason that swings the balance for some, but it's no Heavily Ferrari-sweetened game as of yet.
A lot of the sounds in GT are similar, but they're now getting some right, have a listen to the SL55AMG, Audi RS4 and Ford GT in GT4, they sound a lot better than GT cars used to. I would think PD would extend this to the Ferraris.
I think you're a little harsh, Harry, GT HD has lots of benefits to those who are interested, Online play for a damned start! It's just that the download system puits everyone off. I'm sure we'll adjust to it, it's not on, but hey, life isn't on, I think that's what KY wants us to think, "in real life you don't get everything" - true, that destroys one of the advantages of the virtual world, but hey, I'm happy with one each of the R32, R33 and R34 skyline, I don't need all the different variants so that saves me £30 right there.
The problem with "including this, including that" from message boards is that the games take so bloody long to make in the first place, they don't have time to scout around adding things, remember how late GT4 was? That was without any of the extra stuff we posted in our wishlist. This is the EXACT reason why there are online updates, you don't have to leave it until next game and then forget about it, you can release the game, have a coffee break, then make a new feature and get it out on the web!
I too agree about the sweetening of the cake (typically icing, but I see you've left the options open!)
In fact, I'm agreeing all along your post! I'd like to see some Ferrari heritage stuff, it ties in with the game's support of heritage sports cars. they have the opportunity, they should use it. If I'm honest, it'll be a later download or a GT5 addition, or a download once GT5 has been released! If it was likely to happen soon it'd be in the videos, and it ain't!
I expect a dozen or so Ferraris is reasonable, not before some all-important updates though, can the PS3 connect via LAN and if so can it use a non-firewalled port? Else I'm screwed for updates at university and I'll have to come home to do it. For a £55 return fare home from York, that makes the game even more expensive!
I also expect some people would buy GTHD on ths strength of Ferrari, but very few. The number of cars isn't great enough for a Ferrari fanatic. It may be another reason that swings the balance for some, but it's no Heavily Ferrari-sweetened game as of yet.
A lot of the sounds in GT are similar, but they're now getting some right, have a listen to the SL55AMG, Audi RS4 and Ford GT in GT4, they sound a lot better than GT cars used to. I would think PD would extend this to the Ferraris.
I think you're a little harsh, Harry, GT HD has lots of benefits to those who are interested, Online play for a damned start! It's just that the download system puits everyone off. I'm sure we'll adjust to it, it's not on, but hey, life isn't on, I think that's what KY wants us to think, "in real life you don't get everything" - true, that destroys one of the advantages of the virtual world, but hey, I'm happy with one each of the R32, R33 and R34 skyline, I don't need all the different variants so that saves me £30 right there.
The problem with "including this, including that" from message boards is that the games take so bloody long to make in the first place, they don't have time to scout around adding things, remember how late GT4 was? That was without any of the extra stuff we posted in our wishlist. This is the EXACT reason why there are online updates, you don't have to leave it until next game and then forget about it, you can release the game, have a coffee break, then make a new feature and get it out on the web!
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