Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.

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Personally I'm disgusted with EA and their monopolistic tactics. They are trying to erode competition by forcing them out, what the hell. I think it's a benefit to manufacturers to be able to liscence out their brands to multiple companies, as it allows gains from multiple hands. Exclusivity is becoming pretty old and companies are seeing that it's outdated, especially when top notch advertisers are not included in the deal. PD's Gran Turismo franchise is a big advertiser, 36 million+ who in their right minds can't see the possibilities. I predict that EA will lose a lot of their exclusive car manufacturer deals, no idea how they tricked the NFL into that deal. EA is too big for it's own good.
 
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Personally I'm disgusted with EA and their monopolistic tactics. They are trying to erode competition by forcing them out, what the hell. I think it's a benefit to manufacturers to be able to liscence out their brands to multiple companies, as it allows gains from multiple hands. Exclusivity is becoming pretty old and companies are seeing that it's outdated, especially when top notch advertisers are not included in the deal. PD's Gran Turismo franchise is a big advertiser, 36 million+ who in their right minds can't see the possibilities. I predict that EA will lose a lot of their exclusive car manufacturer deals, no idea how they tricked the NFL into that deal. EA is too big for it's own good.

True. EA is really big. And monopolistic. But didn't their deals with Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini expire? I reckon that Microsoft might make an exclusive deal with Ferrari etc, and thus guarantee that the gt series will never have these cars. Otherwise, PD might have a chance of putting them in the game.

Anyway, the only Ferraris and Porsches I want to drive are the Enzo, F430, 360CS, Carrera GT, 911 GT3, 911 GT1, Ferrari F1 cars and Porsche group c cars. I will be elated if they make it to gt5, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't.
 
For me its easy, when gt5 comes out with no ferraris , and porshes then i will not buy a ps3 and gt5.
 
Coiler
For me its easy, when gt5 comes out with no ferraris , and porshes then i will not buy a ps3 and gt5.

Realy?! That sounds insane to me. Im not particularly bothered if there are any new cars, of tracks at all in GT5. As long as theres damage and online play its fine by me 👍 If you want ferraris, why not buy Project Gotham on Xbox. Im not sure why im promoting this as i dislike the game, and the hype about it being nearly as good as GT4, Pfft, no chance.
 
PGR2 was more fun to race than GT4, so I see no reason why PGR3 can't be. It's not as involving overall, but the racing is a lot more fun. I'm not saying GT5 should be like PGR, but they should work on making races more involving.
 
live4speed
PGR2 was more fun to race than GT4, so I see no reason why PGR3 can't be. It's not as involving overall, but the racing is a lot more fun. I'm not saying GT5 should be like PGR, but they should work on making races more involving.
What do you mean by more fun?
 
Coiler
For me its easy, when gt5 comes out with no ferraris , and porshes then i will not buy a ps3 and gt5.
So imagine we'll end up with a GT5 without Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghini, but with real time damage, life like AI, realistic physics, photorealistic graphics, 100 tracks, 1000 cars, real time weather changes and day to night transitions, an online multiplayer with the abbility to participate in all sorts of huge championships (maybe even a world championship), option to save during pitstops, ..... You wouldn't buy it?
 
FatAssBR
What do you mean by more fun?
As in entertaining, I find the races in GT4 largely boring, close matched races arn't fun cos the AI just drives into you all the time, other races are just you v the clock with physics that arn't as good as other games I have.
 
live4speed
As in entertaining, I find the races in GT4 largely boring, close matched races arn't fun cos the AI just drives into you all the time, other races are just you v the clock with physics that arn't as good as other games I have.
Then I ask myself: why? Why do you even bother playing GT4? Since you're obviously a pretty active member of these forums, you must at least be a bit of a GT fan. Doesn't sound like it.
What then do you actually like about the game? Just interested. There must be something that's keeping you playing.
 
Just because I think races in other games are more entertaining than races ion GT4 doesn't mean I don't like GT4. I do find the races boring, but I like the cars. I like GT4 because I like the cars, thats the main reason. That said I haven't played it for a few weeks but I'm off to play in the UKGTP meet tomorrow with Famine and co, so I might load it up today to get a little bit of practise in, I'll need it. Racing in LAN is obviousely not boring, it's the AI that kills the races for me, they're thick as pig ****.

As for coming on here, I've been a member here for over 2 years, being dissapointed with GT4 isn't a reason to suddenly stop coming to this site.
 
I guess I'll defend my buddy "Live4Speed" here. Okay, When I first came to the site, I loved the GT series, loathed Project Gotham Racing. But let me tell you. When I played a demo of PGR2 at a Best Buy once, I thought it was pretty fun to be honest. Where else are you able to have some fun on the race track by sliding around, getting air, and have some nice race modes? Trust me. The PGR series is quite fun. Rent PGR or PGR2. It isn't a Gran Turismo-type racing game, but it is a pretty interesting series.

Again, I go back to what you can live with, and what you can't live without when it comes to Gran Turismo games. Do you NEED Ferrari and such? Are racing games boring without something that is or resembles Ferrari? I still believe that only sportscar afficionados will actually appreciate seeing Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini among others. The reason why I say this is because some people actually know about the legacy of the companies, instead of just wanting the fastest-possible, high-profile names in the game. What's the point of having such car companies if all you care about are only sports cars and exotics? That's the reason why many people dislike the series. Always wanting the fastest-possible cars because seemingly, Gran Turismo is too slow for some gamers. My commentary- less complaining, more racing. And get this- many cars in the past weren't as fast or not as fast as cars are today... EVEN Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini. Again, you can live without Ferraris and such. Don't be childish. But if you think racing games are much better with Ferraris and such, then get an XBOX and buy Mr. "Better than Gran Turismo 4," "Forza Motorsport."

So for the ones who can't live without overrated sports car companies in GT games, click on this link, and answer the question he asks: ( https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1959973&postcount=68 ). If you can't dig that, try to.
 
Hmm actually, its the opposite, concerning topspeed... recent cars are slower then old ones...

As for the general thing about the big 3 brands... i suppose i'd have to say that i'll probably never get a change to drive or own any of those, so its always fun to have them in a game. Everyone can get a EVO8 or a Ford Mustang, if you really want it. But a Porsche Carrera GT? not a change...

I don't enjoy racing big cars like the leMans racing cars in GT4, i usually just buy production cars and race them around as much as i can, that's what's interesting for me. So i'd like to purchase a Lambo or a CarreraS....
 
Hey lots of games are more fun that GT4, but I play GT because it holds my interest. I can name lots of racing games that are more hyper-kinetic and all out speed, BO3, Rush Series(not inc. the latest one), F-Zero, MSR, NFS HP:2, Mario Kart 64. Considering not until PSOne did someone decide to make a driving game without overly exaggerated physics, what a breath of fresh air that was, anyone who had an N64 can tell you, that thing has mainly driving games. All it took was me firing up GT2, first time ever, I was like whoa, this thing is hard to keep on the road, so I battled to learn to drive in the game, and progressed in the game. Nothing more fulfiling than overcoming a road block. Since then any console driving sim game I hold it up to GT and see how well it stacks up.

I currently own a few driving games, GT4, Forza, NFS:U2, MC 3: DUB, PGR2 and Mario Kart. Now out of them GT4 and Forza get the most play, i've beaten all the others and just can't play them anymore. I played Forza a lot when it first came out, fell in love with the paintshop, something about painting your cars to what you want, that's just soothing. There are niggles about Forza that just threw me back to GT4, accuracy of the courses especially the Nür, chassis tuning that for some reason doesn't make difference(it's hard to read if your car is stiffer by watching replays, someting i do in GT4 often) it feels that you aren't getting any feedback, that is probably a oversight, but to me it's noticeable. Big one AI, don't know about you, but this AI is just as stupid as the one in GT4, sometimes even more so(barreling into my car on turns, it's more annoying because of vehicular damage, which the AI doesn't suffer from as quickly as you do). Still this is the best driving game i've ever played on my Xbox, online play slaps GT4 into the stone age, paintshop, more thought out physics(tire temps and pressures).

Case and point, arcade games are ok for many, just not really my thing. These days they are just shallow as hell, nothing but pretty graphics. Casual gamer paradise, which most of these games are geared to. I don't think there is such a thing as a hardcore PGR player, seriously what is there to do aside from power oversteer. Hey Im not knocking you for liking what you do, just saying that fun games are usually shallow, not much depth. It's like a quickie, 30min tops, then you are off doing something else. GT and Forza takes much more dedication to driving, learning lines, vehicle intricacies, course intricacies. I will probably never complete GT4, that isn't my point for playing the game, getting awesome performance out of regular cars is something that arcade games can't ever touch.

Sorry it's soo longwinded, just had to show my reasons for liking what i like.
 
Hmmm, I agree with the money issue, PD just wouldn't want to shell out on whatever ludicrous figure it would cost to get Ferraris and Lamborghinis in the game.

OK, we're all familiar with the age-old noob question involving Ferraris, Lambos and Porsches. Porsches obviously AREN'T necessary due to RUF (the name's different, so what?) and to be honest, seeing the two italian companies in GT would be nice, but It's not sitting high on my wish list, and never has. Some of their older cars would be cool, but drooling over any slight possibility of running a 360 Modena round the track isn't me at all. Besides, it'd then get toasted by a Japanese car with more letters and numerals than the game's instruction manual, and a turbo the size of the subwoofer that person has just lobbed in the back of their XR3i. Alright, that's just England, but I'm sure it applies to other lands in some shape or form...

The one thing that kind of does make me say that ferrari etc. should be in GT is that it's a driving simulator. Ferraris and the like are all about a DRIVING EXPERIENCE so it would make sense.

I do, however agree that GT is limited. Despite a lower graphical and sound detail, plus a lower level of customisations and different races, I very much like the TOCA race driver 2 atmosphere. Far more real tracks, rather than another reincarnation of Motorsports Land, where the AI are all messed up ( :) ), A1 Ring, and the other Nurburgrings, Brands Hatch just for a start. Plus of course the racing is more varied. That doesn't mean I want truck racing in GT4. OK, that would be cool as well, but it ain't gonna happen. Other racing events would still be of interest though.

Thoughts?
 
Arcade games are great for quick blasts, my favourite racing game in my colelction and that I've played is GTR, second to that is LFS S2, GT4 craps al over PGR2 in terms of replay value, but comparing the two by fun factor, PGR2 is better. As I said thats not to say GT5 should be more lik PGR, but they just need to improve the racing aspects of the game, ideally make it as involving as a race in GTR can be.

And as for Ferrari and Porsche ect, just read John's post.
 
Fiat own ferrari and fiat said to Polyphony that they can have a ferari licence but The gt4 team did not want ferari's in gt4 because they would not like many cars faster than the Japanese cars!
 
Jaygt4
Fiat own ferrari and fiat said to Polyphony that they can have a ferari licence but The gt4 team did not want ferari's in gt4 because they would not like many cars faster than the Japanese cars!
Plain bull****.
I could try to argument my previous statement, but looking at the post a second time, it just isn't worth it.
 
Meh, Ferraris are Overrated anyway.

Ofcourse they would definatly be a welcomed addition to the Series.

But at the same time it wont make the game any less good.

Lambourgini would be awesome aswell.

I remember that car that looked like a Diablo was removed from GT3.
 
Jaygt4
Fiat own ferrari and fiat said to Polyphony that they can have a ferari licence but The gt4 team did not want ferari's in gt4 because they would not like many cars faster than the Japanese cars!
No offence, but that's the dumbest thing I've heard in a month.
 
Jaygt4
Fiat own ferrari and fiat said to Polyphony that they can have a ferari licence but The gt4 team did not want ferari's in gt4 because they would not like many cars faster than the Japanese cars!
So?
VW owns Lamborghini, but you don't see them there.

Its 2 different Fiats smartone.
There's the Fiat Auto Group, and there's Fiat.
Fiat AG allowed a license to a Fiat, but not to Ferrari b/c of EA's contract.

BTW, there's plenty of cars in GT4 faster than the Japanese cars.
 
Jaygt4
Fiat own ferrari and fiat said to Polyphony that they can have a ferari licence but The gt4 team did not want ferari's in gt4 because they would not like many cars faster than the Japanese cars!
I hate to be another guy to jump on your post, but please don't post again unless it's smarter. As said earlier, the Fiat group owns Ferrari, the Fiat group own's Fiat autos, but Fiat auto's doesn't own Ferrari. Regardless of who owns who, you still need a seperate license for each company, if I owned Fiat, Ford, Lambo and Bugatti and someone wanted all thoes brands in a game, they'd have at least a seperate license for each brand, sometimes a seperate license for each car in each brand.
 
jay obviously doesnt know much about cars. if i was a mod i would have deleted the post... but i guess thats why i'm not a mod :) He must not watch any car shows or read any magazines. :P
 
I ask again- do you NEED Ferrari to make a good racing game? How about Porsche? What if Forza didn't have either of these two companies? In terms of Ferrari and Japan, I can make this argument. In the JGTC/Super GT, some of you may recall Dentaire Project Racing, a team who races a beautiful Ferrari 360 Modena. I haven't followed the series in quite a while, so I don't know what Ferraris are still around in the series. To me, that's the ONLY argument I'd make in favor of Ferraris in GT. In GT2, I sort of imagined instead of the GT300 Toyota MR2 that it was a Ferrari.

But like I said, you don't need Ferrari to have a good racing game. Hell, you don't even need an affiliated brand to make a game better. You know why? Because as long as the racing is good, it doesn't matter what companies are in the game. When I think about this issue, I hark back to an old thread someone made called "Faster Cars and Better Cars," or something like that. Anyhow, it was about someone wanting only sports cars and really fast cars. Where's the fun in that? Racing only fast cars doesn't equate to much fun. To the arcade-type, it's heaven. To the enthusiast, it gets old. I keep stressing that while fast cars and superexotics are good, one must learn how appreciate racing on all levels. What does that mean? Simple. As much as you'd enjoy racing a Ferrari Enzo on country roads trying to evade the poilce, one should be able to find satisfaction in racing a peppy sport compact around a set of turns on a short-configuration circuit. One should also enjoy taking a low-horsepowered race car or a rally car around a set of undulating corners.

Now, I don't know. Why do you want these companies in the game? Why do you think that having these games is worth getting the next GT? Have you considered other options and new features? Have you considered a possible update to the physics engine? Or do you only care about a certain car company? So much so, that it determines whether or not you'll get the next console and the sequel to GT5? Let me tell you something, player, and you better dig this. You have to learn to live without. GT can't put in every company- especially not even established sports car makers. And if they do include the companies in question, how much you want to bet that these cars will be raced so many times that it can basically be its own game? My words- addition by subtraction. Not in the game? Live without.
 
Its not about do we have them or not , its about our money . Gt series i selling millions of copies and sony/polyphony does have the money for those licences for sure. They just think "kiss us in the a... , and buy another 15304 skylines"
 
Coiler
Its not about do we have them or not , its about our money . Gt series i selling millions of copies and sony/polyphony does have the money for those licences for sure. They just think "kiss us in the a... , and buy another 15304 skylines"
Sure...

It's more about exclusivity (at least in previous gt games) and principles. If Ferrari or some other exotic company charges a lot more than other car companies, PD rather has the other car companies, and I agree with them. I'll only be happy with Ferrari or Lamborghini or whatever if it means no sacrificing anything else.
It's not like PD's trying to screw us over...
 
JohnBM01
I ask again- do you NEED Ferrari to make a good racing game? How about Porsche? What if Forza didn't have either of these two companies? In terms of Ferrari and Japan, I can make this argument. In the JGTC/Super GT, some of you may recall Dentaire Project Racing, a team who races a beautiful Ferrari 360 Modena. I haven't followed the series in quite a while, so I don't know what Ferraris are still around in the series. To me, that's the ONLY argument I'd make in favor of Ferraris in GT. In GT2, I sort of imagined instead of the GT300 Toyota MR2 that it was a Ferrari.

But like I said, you don't need Ferrari to have a good racing game. Hell, you don't even need an affiliated brand to make a game better. You know why? Because as long as the racing is good, it doesn't matter what companies are in the game. When I think about this issue, I hark back to an old thread someone made called "Faster Cars and Better Cars," or something like that. Anyhow, it was about someone wanting only sports cars and really fast cars. Where's the fun in that? Racing only fast cars doesn't equate to much fun. To the arcade-type, it's heaven. To the enthusiast, it gets old. I keep stressing that while fast cars and superexotics are good, one must learn how appreciate racing on all levels. What does that mean? Simple. As much as you'd enjoy racing a Ferrari Enzo on country roads trying to evade the poilce, one should be able to find satisfaction in racing a peppy sport compact around a set of turns on a short-configuration circuit. One should also enjoy taking a low-horsepowered race car or a rally car around a set of undulating corners.

Now, I don't know. Why do you want these companies in the game? Why do you think that having these games is worth getting the next GT? Have you considered other options and new features? Have you considered a possible update to the physics engine? Or do you only care about a certain car company? So much so, that it determines whether or not you'll get the next console and the sequel to GT5? Let me tell you something, player, and you better dig this. You have to learn to live without. GT can't put in every company- especially not even established sports car makers. And if they do include the companies in question, how much you want to bet that these cars will be raced so many times that it can basically be its own game? My words- addition by subtraction. Not in the game? Live without.

You know, you're right. GT5 really doesn't need big-name supercars to make it fun. There are enough cool cars in GT4 to make up for that. All PD really needs to start doing to make their series better is to fix the inert AI. (Racing FGTs in Arcade mode would definitely be tons and tons of fun if the opponents actually raced you. :grumpy: )They could also add changing weather effects, damage, online etc. and they will be in business. If GT5 turns out to be more of the same again, then I definitely won't shell out the cash for a PS3. Also, they should put less cars in the game. 500 or 600 would be enough, but 720 is just overkill.

Speaking of AI, why did PD make it inert in the first place? Was it done to cater for non-gamers or some other target audience?
 
Jaygt4
Fiat own ferrari and fiat said to Polyphony that they can have a ferari licence but The gt4 team did not want ferari's in gt4 because they would not like many cars faster than the Japanese cars!


Does nobody read sarcasm into this? I thought this statement was hilarious for entirely different reasons. Kudos.
 
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