Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.

[pik]

i think complaining about not having ferrari's in a game in which members of PD said "is becoming sort of an automotive library" or something to that effect, is the same as complaining about a library or bookstore not having any of the lord of the rings books, or not having any books that mention civil rights movements. while it is true to say that it IS infact, still a bookstore or library, it is also true to say that those books i mentioned are a well deserved part, and it is generally assumed that they should be there.

would YOU defend a bookstore if they didnt have any lord of the rings books?

 

[Dave A]

A book store doesn't have to pay the publisher hundereds of thousands of pounds for the right to sell thoes books or have to deal with other stores having an exclusive license to sell them, so theres less reason for a bookstore not to have any Lord of the Rings books in stock. Licensing is very different to stocking and thats where you're comparison falls. Not obtaining a very expensive license thats also being passed from company to company in exclusive form is not a bad move on PD's part, they just CAN'T get them at this point in time. If the licenses were freely available to all who wanted them for the regular fee then sure I could see at least a small connection to you're bookstore but it doesn't work that way.

 

[pik]

the only connection i'm making is PD's claim that the series is sort of a library of automotive racing.

now, as of right now we dont know who, if anyone, has an exclusive lisence, or even a lisence at all with ferrari, right? you seem to be saying that it's quite excusable if they continue to not include the italian exotics (correct me if i'm wrong).

considering that we DO know that EA's exclusive lisence expired (and that ferrari's are not in most wanted), i dont see any reason for PD and sony not to jump at the prospect of having ferrari (and lamborghini, i suppose) in GT5.

if they're gonna claim to be a library, they may as well have some of the most well known manufacturers in the game.

me, i'll buy the ps3 and GT5 (and other games, of course) either way, but given that we know hardly anything, i'd rather assume that they should have those cars in the game.

i do understand your point about money, and exclusitivity, but as a consumer, if they claim to be a library, i'm going to expect them to be one the the fullest meaning of the word.

 

[Dave A]

I know Microsoft have a Ferrari license, because the only games to feature Ferrari licenced cars since the EA contract expired come from Microsoft's direction, Forza, PGR2, PGR3 ect, the only games we will see for the next year or two with Ferrari's in will be XB360 games, and the only times MS will let someone else use the license will be if it's an XB360 eclusive title, and I would wager money on that, a lot of money.

I'm not in any way expecting GT5 to feature Ferrari's, if they do thn great but I won't be expecting it. I suppose a 2007 launch gives time for a current license to expire provided MS haven't gone loopy with the cash and taken out a stupidly long contract with them.

As for GT lacking Italian exotics, I do think we'll see Lamborghini in GT5, but we already have Pagani and Cizeta, like them or not they're Italian exotics.

And if you expect GT5 to be a library by the fulelst meaning of the word, don't expect GT5 to come out this decade because it would take quite some time to model a couple of hundered thousand cars or more.

 

[Jedi2016]

As I mentioned before, I've yet to be able to drive any of my own cars in the GT games.. that right there should tell you it's not a true "library" of cars.

That's a good point about Microsoft, though, L4S. I noticed that after the EA thing, that Ferrari seems to be platform-specific now. Which is an odd move, I think.. obviously, if such a contract exists, Ferrari is getting only a lump-sum and not per-copy royalties. I guess we'll see once we get more info about various PS3 racing games.

 

[Dave A]

I quite strongly think MS have the license but will only share it for games that are XB only.

I'd love to be wrong and see Ferrari in games across the platform spectrum, but I don't think I am.

 

[SavageEvil]

I think Ferrari has come to their sense and have no specific system liscence. That would shut them out of the playstation market and like it or not playstation brand name and GT guarantees serious advertising for Ferrari. If PD did acquire the Ferrari liscence they are keeping it mum, but I think that you can find out online who has liscenced Ferrari name, trademark and cars, and which are still active. I'll look this up to be sure.

 

[Dave A]

Convince me that thats the case, show me a single new game with Ferrari licensed cars in that isn't for an XB console.

I don't doubrt for one minuet that MS has made Ferrari an offer they can't refuse to give them the license. It's no skin off Ferrari's back to not appear in a GT game, they don't rely or computer games to get well known, they already are classed as one of if not the best performance car brand in the world.

 

[SavageEvil]

I hope that's not the case, but meeh it's no skin off my back, as long the game is deeper than the last one. I'm not having much luck finding information liscencee information pertaining to ferrari.

 

[McLaren]

I quite strongly think MS have the license but will only share it for games that are XB only.

I'd love to be wrong and see Ferrari in games across the platform spectrum, but I don't think I am.

What about the F1 game advertised for the PS3 way back with the Ferrari fans and flags? Couldn't that show that Sony may have Ferrari's license for one of their games, or does Ferrari have a license for F1, and then a license for production cars?

 

[Jedi2016]

I would imagine the licenses are different, since F1 cars are pretty much only applicable to F1 games. And they might not have as much control over it.. a blanket F1 license may include the Ferrari cars regardless of what Ferrari has to say about it. Depends on the contract. Unfortunately, things like that aren't public domain.

 

[JohnBM01]

Let me add on to Live4Speed's comments. (1) Just because the next GT may or may not have Ferraris should be a primary selling point. You want to make selling points? Do it with gameplay. Do it with graphics. Do it with entertainment. Don't let a certain type of car, certain type of racing, certain type of manufacturer, or anything related draw you away from the Gran Turismo series. You can't be crazy in talking about stuff like this the way some of you are. (2a) I've expressed in one of my earlier posts that if you can't have Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini, you'll always have a bevy of other sports cars, supercars, and exotics. And it isn't like those three companies are the only ones in the world who make supercars. Paganis are completely exotic and capable. Horacio Pagani made carbon bodies for Lamborghini, so you at least know that while certain makes aren't in the game, it is at least mentioned. I love the Jaguar XJ220. It is one of the sexiest British cars. It is also powerful and fast. Just about any new TVR makes for a sweet sports car experience. Get a Tuscan Speed Six, or if you dare... the Cerbera Speed 12. Any of the Aston Martins are also exclusive, attractive, and fast (not to mention heavy as well). Dress up an AM in British Racing Green, take it to the track, and have a good time racing. The Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren is SURELY an exotic with awesome horsepower and an "I mean business" look. Like Porsche? Not in the game? Try a Ruf, and you're on your way. Want a supercar or sports car and want to be American? Saleen S7 or Ford GT. Try the beastly Dodge Viper. Looks good kicking ass with an American V10 under the hood. I mean, so many alternatives, yet some of you refuse to look or care. (2b) Also, the game is never about only sports cars. It may seem like it, but having a combination of everyday drivers and sports cars make things all the more better to race with. I mean this with respect- don't worry if Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, or any other exotic make isn't in the next GT. As long as there are other alternatives, who needs some certain company? (3) Also take into account that automotive tastes are different in many countries. If you think Europe is nothing but 6-figure sports cars, then you're obviosuly not a citizen of the world when it comes to cars. Even Japan's Kei cars can be great performers.

I have more to this, but for now, don't fret yourself with these sorts of cars. I'm not saying to deter your interests, but look on the bright side.

 

[Dave A]

What about the F1 game advertised for the PS3 way back with the Ferrari fans and flags? Couldn't that show that Sony may have Ferrari's license for one of their games, or does Ferrari have a license for F1, and then a license for production cars?

A Formula 1 game rquires only a FIA F1 license, like GTR didn't need licenses from Porsche, Ferrari and Lamborghini, Sony don't need licenses from Ferrari, BMW, BAR, McLaren ect to include them in their F1 game as long as they have the F1 license which Sony do have.

 

[nos2]

Maybe just get a put Ferrari in as a "Tuner" car. I don't care if it's Hanman F430 or Ferrari F430. Ferrari should be in GT5.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I think John has nailed it once again. And more exotics? Well, I´m pretty sure we´ll see something more, but hardly Ferrari. Porsche might be a possibility, and if not, there´s always RUF and if they add Dauer to that, I´won´t cry at all! Lambos might come real, as they´re owned by Volkswagen, and they are in already. On the other hand, we already have exotics from the VW concerne, like the VW Nardo and the Audi LeMans Quattro (or R8, as it will be known as a productioncar). Another possibility is Maserati, as someone mentioned earlier (John again I think!).
But as for Ferrari and F1 games, I´d say FIAT has a sayso, since they are the ones backing it up, as Ferrari is a player in the FIAT concerne.

As for Porsce though. Is there a game where they are represented at all? Any newer I mean? NFS hot pursuit 2 is the latest I´ve seen I think...

 

[Dave A]

Maybe just get a put Ferrari in as a "Tuner" car. I don't care if it's Hanman F430 or Ferrari F430. Ferrari should be in GT5.

They're still Ferraris, a tuned Ferrari is a Ferrari you need a Ferrari license regardless.

 

[Nattefrost]

As for Porsce though. Is there a game where they are represented at all? Any newer I mean? NFS hot pursuit 2 is the latest I´ve seen I think...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there are Porsches in the latest NFS, namely Most Wanted, and in Forza Motorsport.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

I just want the name in the starting grid

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there are Porsches in the latest NFS, namely Most Wanted, and in Forza Motorsport.

Ah, yes, I haven´t played any of those, but I think I recall a review on NFS Most Wanted stating something about Porsche. And how unnecessary it was to put a bodymod on the Lambo Gallardo

 

[McLaren]

They're still Ferraris, a tuned Ferrari is a Ferrari you need a Ferrari license regardless.

Yep, because it carries Ferrar's F430 logo.

Strange that the little logo makes all the difference but that and other things keep it from being used.

That's why Gemballa got their car in MC3.

 

[JohnBM01]

That's some of your problem. You only care about one manufacturer out of a world of others. To me, that defeats the purpose of all these different manufacturers and cars in a game like a Gran Turismo. Some of you are completely desperate to see them. I haven't broken a sweat by not seeing them in the game. I'm not going to say I'm happy they aren't in the game, but I think that it would be interesting to see them in the game. Almost as if you live your life to only see Ferrari in a Gran Turismo title, even if it is 5. Even it if never happens. That's why I don't stress it. There are plenty of other automobiles that can still perform even if Italy or Germany doesn't make the car. I don't play Need for Speed just to flirt with Ferraris. I don't think Gran Turismo is so boring that Ferrari would be a serious pick-me-up. What's the next complaint related to this? "How can a game have an Italian title but no Italian supercars?"

The people who really suffer from this are those who only want cheap thrills racing with cars they can't drive in real life even if their lives depended on it. Many people sort of learned to adjust or are just well-natured to begin with. And even if you get the bigtime Ferraris, don't expect Formula One race car handling with super tires. You raced that Jaguar XJ220 and Saleen S7 in License Tests, so you know the cars aren't going to handle like F1 cars. You'll get the speed, but not the arcadish handling.

So all in all, no Ferrari, no problem. I'm a Ferrari fan, and even I know that you can't have it all. I'm not greedy or spoiled about this. I love Ferraris, like to see them in a GT game if PD can, but I'm not obsessed to the point that I'd never buy a PS3 or another GT until it's included. * Now while I end this, here's a question. What would personally make you happy about Ferrari in the game? Is it certain cars, hearing Ferrari engines at speed, just seeing them in the game, what?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

I think it´s the legendary handling of the Ferraris for me. The sounds are great, but enginesounds are one of the few things GT games don´t do very well, so that´s not a major issue.
Supercars in general, but Ferrari would add a new dimension to those who are already in the game. I would love to see how for example an Enzo or an F50 or F430 for that matter, would do around Nürburgring, compared to a Saleen or Ford GT or Audi LeMans Quattro. I mean, everybody seems to have some idea of how good a Ferrari is, but it would be fantastic to find out how good they really are, compared to the rest of the supercar world.

Edit: I just nailed the issue there, didn´t I? That could be the reason Ferrari is not in the GT series, they do not want to be compared to others!

 

[Dave A]

Remember though, car comparisons in GT are not in any sense of the word relative to real life. GT is not the definitive sim, it's been far too accesable to mainstream gamers with regards to the physics.

And no, Ferrari's arn't in GT because other companies have the license, they're in Forza, thy're in PGR2 and PGR3, they don't care about being compared to others, Ferrari's flagship cars are almost ALWAYS the ultimate when they come out. Look at the F40, look at the Enzo, the F50 wasn't, thanks to the McLaren F1 but thats it.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

That's some of your problem. You only care about one manufacturer out of a world of others. To me, that defeats the purpose of all these different manufacturers and cars in a game like a Gran Turismo. Some of you are completely desperate to see them. I haven't broken a sweat by not seeing them in the game. I'm not going to say I'm happy they aren't in the game, but I think that it would be interesting to see them in the game. Almost as if you live your life to only see Ferrari in a Gran Turismo title, even if it is 5. Even it if never happens. That's why I don't stress it. There are plenty of other automobiles that can still perform even if Italy or Germany doesn't make the car. I don't play Need for Speed just to flirt with Ferraris. I don't think Gran Turismo is so boring that Ferrari would be a serious pick-me-up. What's the next complaint related to this? "How can a game have an Italian title but no Italian supercars?"

The people who really suffer from this are those who only want cheap thrills racing with cars they can't drive in real life even if their lives depended on it. Many people sort of learned to adjust or are just well-natured to begin with. And even if you get the bigtime Ferraris, don't expect Formula One race car handling with super tires. You raced that Jaguar XJ220 and Saleen S7 in License Tests, so you know the cars aren't going to handle like F1 cars. You'll get the speed, but not the arcadish handling.

So all in all, no Ferrari, no problem. I'm a Ferrari fan, and even I know that you can't have it all. I'm not greedy or spoiled about this. I love Ferraris, like to see them in a GT game if PD can, but I'm not obsessed to the point that I'd never buy a PS3 or another GT until it's included. * Now while I end this, here's a question. What would personally make you happy about Ferrari in the game? Is it certain cars, hearing Ferrari engines at speed, just seeing them in the game, what?

Well thats completely opposite of me then lol
I'm not a ferrari fan at all! I kinda hate it when a rich guy buys a ferrari, it's so predictable.
Doesn't matter if no ferrari was in.....but come on it's a game, best things in new games are suprises and new things that make the game interesting.

This might seem spoiled but, when you make a game I think it should be as suprising as you can make it, not just exclude them for money issues.
I see the point you make but come on wouldn't it be great to know that when you race to the stores to check if Vision GT is finally out and actually see it lying there right when you enter the shop.
Then coming home and seeing the glimps of a ferrari in the intro movie and thinking "was that a ferrari?". It's not such a big deal but I know tiney things make for an amazing game.

It would be one of those cars for me to get, to save up money for it and buy it IMMEDIATLY when I win that last race and get enough money for a wonderfull ferrari. Then buying it just to see what the fuss was all about

It's just a piece of gameplay that shouldn't be missed out IMO....

 

[kjb]

It would be nice to see Ferrari and Lamborghini? in GT5 but if they're not there oh well. But I agree G-T-4-Fan that it would be nice if they were in and PD kept them under wraps unitl the game came out. 👍

 

[Ryo-kun]

Well, we got Porsches in GT4, named after the aftermarket tunning specialists RUF. (Yellowbird...OMG...). It's a way to go around the problem.

 

[Dave A]

Must... Resist.... Urge.... To... Put... Right..... No I can't stop myself even though this has been discussed and explained a zillion times before. Ruf are not just an aftermarket tuner, sure you can take a Porsche to Ruf and they'll tune it for you, but every model that has ever appeared in a GT game is not an aftermarket tuned Porsche, Ruf do build their own cars as well and all the ones in GT are Ruf's own products. Now they look like Porsches, and they have rear engines but not a single one started life as a Porsche Boxster or a Porsche 911, and the vast majority or parts used on an Ruf built car are actually manufactured by Ruf they usually just use a Porsche shell and some chassis components, exept for the Ruf R50 where the entire thing is manufactured by Ruf. But yeah, enough of an Ruf is manufactured by Ruf for it to be it's own manufacturer, they arn't tuned Porsches because they don't take a Porsche and tune it.

 

[Jedi2016]

Well, we got Porsches in GT4, named after the aftermarket tunning specialists RUF. (Yellowbird...OMG...). It's a way to go around the problem.

*clears throat*

THEY'RE NOT PORSCHES, YOU GIT. DO SOME RESEARCH.

Have a nice day.

And even if they did try to do something like that, it's not the same. I don't want a tuned version of a car, I want the original car.

 

[Jedi2016]

On a side note, regarding the possibility of a system-exclusive license for Ferrari... What about Test Drive: Unlimited? True, it's an Xbox game, but it's being ported over to PS3, isn't it? And it's got Ferraris, at least one that we know of.

 

[Dave A]

Not heared a word about TD:U coming out on the PS3, and if it is ported who's to say the Ferrari's arn't removed. Besides that, you can't really port an XB360 game to the PS3, you might as well start over it'd take that much work re-coding the code and optomising the graphics for the different GPU ect. A straight port would run crap on the PS3 compared tot he XB360 and vice versa.