Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.

[Gabkicks]

omg... some of these posts are amazing.. its like people dont even bother to do any research or anything. just saying whatever popps into their head as logical.

 

[Dave A]

Bugatti made each of those cars for five million pounds if I remember hearing it right. They're selling each car for 840k - so they are sustaining a very heavy loss on them. The only reason they made the car was for a technical exercize and not to make any profit, so for whatever reasons they have.. they're selling for a loss. That's why the guys at top gear were saying there would never be another car like this in their lifetimes - the economy just isn't in a position to where a lot of car companies can DO something like that. It's insane.

Thats exacley right, each Veyron counting the costs of R&D works out to have cost VAG £5million each, they didn't build it for profit, they were never going to make any from step 1, it was all an exercise on making the fastest most outragous car ever, and having it spearhead the Bugatti revival. All the future Bugatti;s build will no doubt be buil to be profitable, but the Veyron wasn't.

 

[Dave A]

if NFS licensing is up, maybe ferrari, porsche, and lambo and such charge money to let companies put cars in games... and I don't think any others do... or they charge a lot more... but I doubt PD payes for rights to 700 diff cars... that'd be pretty expensive...

Every mainstream company will charge you for a license, some smaller ones will say here you go, thanks for the publicity, some smaller ones will still charge but not as much. TVR charged for GT1 but after TVR sales jumped in Japan shortly after GT1 came out, they said nice one, you can use any car in any game for free from now on, PD havent paid a penny to TVR since. This is according to an interview with KY done during GT3's development that stuck in my mind. A big exclusive and highly prestiguous company like Ferrari will be the worst for license fee's, and no doubt that they are and charge more than Sony want's to let PD spend for the cars. With GT4, KY did enter talks with Ferrari, one reason they mayy not have appeared was the timing of the talks, KY started negotiating later on in GT4's development, he even said he'd delay GT4 to get them. But since it was late on, the games budget would have been running low, and thats not the time to go after a highly wanted licence like Ferrari's. It could be that the licence would have exeeded what PD had left and Sony wern't willing to give them more for the same reason as above, they'd sell x copies anyway.

For GT1, 2 and 3 it was all down to EA.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well, looking at previous GT titles, there probably wouldnt be too many of the Ferraris in the game, as the most attention always goes to Honda and Toyota...

But even then all they need are:
F430 (Challenge Stradale)
360 Modena (Challenge Stradale)
F40
F50
Enzo (FXX)
355 F1 (Challenge)
288 GTO
Mondal t
275 Daytona
250 GTO

 

[Laorin]

Thats exacley right, each Veyron counting the costs of R&D works out to have cost VAG £5million each, they didn't build it for profit, they were never going to make any from step 1, it was all an exercise on making the fastest most outragous car ever, and having it spearhead the Bugatti revival. All the future Bugatti;s build will no doubt be buil to be profitable, but the Veyron wasn't.

When you step back and look at it, it is truly amazing that the car was originaly developed due to an off-the-cuff mark from the owner of Volkswagen (who acquired Bugatti, if I am wrong please correct me, my memory isn't the best) where basically it's like.. "oh it would be great to have a 400km/h car with 1000bhp"..

Then they went and did it. I can't get over how awesome that is. Any ideas on how many Veyrons were made?

 

[Nattefrost]

I believe they made 50 of 'em, no more. Now that I think about it, if they take a 4+ million pounds hit on each Veyron, this stunt would cost them over 200 million pounds, and that's, to say the least, the most insane thing I've ever seen from a car company. I sure believe the guys at Top Gear, we won't see this happen again soon, if it ever happens again at all.

I wonder if PD could acquire the license, we'd have the fastest road beast ever in GT. I would pay $50-60 to play around with that car alone.

 

[Dave A]

They haven't made 50 of them yet, but they've had 50 orders. They will build more to meet demand but not much more. They're making a 3.2 mill loss on each car at 50, however that loss includes the R&D for the project, each new car they build and sell after R&D doesn't individually cost £4 mill to make to they can lower there losses by building say 100 cars, 200 cars ect but they will not make the losses back.

 

[SavageEvil]

...I wonder if PD could acquire the license, we'd have the fastest road beast ever in GT. I would pay $50-60 to play around with that car alone.

Hopefully they do and they also include the S7TT in both power configs 1000 and 750hp. So we can all go online and race and watch Veyrons get embarassed on real courses, hopefully they include the updated Cerbera Speed 12 and the S7R too. Toss in the CCR and the rest of the european supercars.

 

[Dave A]

Sorry but you state the S7TT beating the Veyron as fact, the S7 hasn't proved it'self yet, let alone the S7TT. I haven't seen any lap times to compare the S7 with anything else. It's a fact the Veyron has fantastic handling though, so I don't think it'd be a push-over in anything, sure it might get beat by other cars but nothing will embarass it.

 

[SavageEvil]

Sorry but you state the S7TT beating the Veyron as fact, the S7 hasn't proved it'self yet, let alone the S7TT. I haven't seen any lap times to compare the S7 with anything else. It's a fact the Veyron has fantastic handling though, so I don't think it'd be a push-over in anything, sure it might get beat by other cars but nothing will embarass it.

The S7 hasn't proven itself? What exactly hasn't the S7 not proven? That is isn't a fast car and quite nimble too.S7R doing it's thing
S7 TT has only been tested once to my knowledge by a car mag, it was a consumer owned S7TT and was driven by a Saleen driver, but looks like they will go after the veyron anyway S7TT being tested at 1000hp?

We'll see if they actually make that theoretical number, since the Veyron hasn't officially hit it's mark. I check the Guiness Records, the CCR still holds it, but I don't go by Guiness Records since they didn't have their own people there to witness this.

But we'll see if Saleen is actually vying for speed record or if this is just wishful thinking on the mags part. But if it does, that would mean that the S7TT is the world's best all around production car, wouldn't you say. I still think the TVR is the fastest because of it's very low weight and high hp numbers, but without downforce it's a deathwish pushing that car.

 

[Dave A]

By proven I mean actual lap times ect that you can compare with other cars, it's not available here so it's not done 5th gear, TopGear, it's not driven the ring. I don't know of any lap times where I can check how fast the S7 is. I'm not trying to say it's a bad car, it's just not proven itself yet, good cars still have a period of time before they prove themselves. As for the S7TT, I doubt it'll accelerate as fast or have as high a top speed, it may be quicker on a track, but as I said it certainly won't embarras it. The Veyron has hit 252mph which it's limited to, for it to go in the GBR it needs to run at that speed twice within 30 mins of each run, Bugatti haven't set anything up to get it recorded yet. The TVR Speed 12 is probably not as fast top speed as the Veyron at least without the Veyron being limited to 252mph, weight doesn't have much to say regarding top speed as for it being a deathwish, you really need to read up on the Speed 12 more, just because people can't drive it in Gran Turismo does not mean the people who've driven the real thing (something no-one over at Polyphony digital have done) are wrong about it being a fantastic car to drive. And finally no, I wouldn't say the S7 or the S7TT is the worlds best all around production car, the Veyron can do more, it can go on the track, looks better, more exclusive and has far more inside the car to keep you comfey and nice. I'd say the Corvette Z06 is a better all round supercar than the S7 because by using the words "all round" your implying that it's a jack of trades and the Z06 is more practical by far than the S7.

Again not saying anything actually negative about the S7 other than I'm not all that keen on it's looks, not bad looking but nothing special imo.

 

[McLaren]

The 1,000 S7TT is not out yet. It's an experimental car right now, and is using a supercharger.

The S7 TT is at 750Hp, and that's it. Steve Saleen has claimed very strange facts for the 1,000 S7TT, however, he has not proven them, and are regarded as manufacturer exagerations. But like I said, the 1K Hp S7TT won't be out for a long time. It's just an experiment right now being done by Saleen to see how much horsepower can be brought out. If you want the S7TT at 1,000, Saleen is offering an ADD-ON (like a modification) for S7TT owners.
Again, this is using a supercharger and no S7TTs have been recorded with it yet.

 

[SagarisGTB]

The veyron (and EB110 if anyone cares) have got good chances of getting into GT5. If Konami, a small player in the race sim arena, can get the license, im sure PD can too.

So Id say that the chances are...

better for maserati (under alfa) and bugatti.
Unkown for Koenigsegg, Noble, Ariel etc.
Unlikely for Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche.

Ive noticed that PD likes to increase its manufacturer list by cheaply aquiring single car lisences. Saleen , Spyker, Lister, Marcos for example have lots of good cars yet have had only one car in GT4. This was even more evident in GT3. So even if we see more manufacterers doesnt mean well get lots of shiny new cars.

 

[McLaren]

I don't doubt what any of you are saying, but the people making the argument that "i don't care if ferrari is in the game or not, they're overhyped anyway.." are just.. complete dolts. Sure not all ferrari, porsche, etc. cars are great, but then again their "good" cars are just.. top class. You can't get a better road car. They are cars most of us will never ever get to drive in our lifetimes.

Abd YSSMAN, that Atom was one hell of a machine.

Edit:
leadslead, in response to "sounded like they said Bugatti would make a couple hundred grand off each car...."

Bugatti made each of those cars for five million pounds if I remember hearing it right. They're selling each car for 840k - so they are sustaining a very heavy loss on them. The only reason they made the car was for a technical exercize and not to make any profit, so for whatever reasons they have.. they're selling for a loss. That's why the guys at top gear were saying there would never be another car like this in their lifetimes - the economy just isn't in a position to where a lot of car companies can DO something like that. It's insane.

I can name 6 cars that destory every d*mn road going Ferrari or are on-par with them.

Lamborghini's Gallardo is as equal as the F430, and the Murcielago is no push over.
Let's not forget after every Ferrari got the top speed record, Lamborghini AND Porsche were right there to snatch it from them.

And not to mention Koenigsegg, Noble, BMW's M6, Porsche's Carrera GT, and even the Ford GT.

 

[Dave A]

Well I'm not sure the Gallardo is as fast as an F430 on a track but either way your point is valid, there are cars that can keep up with or beat Ferrari's. That's not to say Ferrari's arn't class, I think it's pretty daft to say any one car or manufacturer is the best in the world. I don't even say that about TVR, I just say they're my fave one.

 

[SavageEvil]

The 1,000 S7TT is not out yet. It's an experimental car right now, and is using a supercharger.

The S7 TT is at 750Hp, and that's it. Steve Saleen has claimed very strange facts for the 1,000 S7TT, however, he has not proven them, and are regarded as manufacturer exagerations. But like I said, the 1K Hp S7TT won't be out for a long time. It's just an experiment right now being done by Saleen to see how much horsepower can be brought out. If you want the S7TT at 1,000, Saleen is offering an ADD-ON (like a modification) for S7TT owners.
Again, this is using a supercharger and no S7TTs have been recorded with it yet.

Experimental, I think not. This is an exerpt from EVO magazine site.


Saleen is now offering buyers of its 750bhp S7 Twin Turbo supercar the option of a 'performance upgrade'. It costs £46,500 on top of the S7's £320,000 list price and boosts the 7-litre twin-turbo V8 to a claimed 1000bhp. Coupled with a relatively light kerbweight of 1338kg, the huge power should allow the S7 to challenge the Bugatti Veyron as the fastest production car in the world. And with 75 examples of the S7 already delivered in the US, the Saleen certainly has every right to claim the title.

Even with the 'cooking' 750bhp engine, the S7 Twin Turbo is said to be good for a sub-three second run to 60mph, and 100mph flashes up in a claimed six seconds flat. Currently Saleen claims a top speed of 240mph for the S7 Twin Turbo but with the 1000bhp upgrade there are whispers that the car has already topped over 260mph in testing. Wonder what it'd do at the Nürburgring...

They will be running tests in the coming weeks I believe, the Veyron vs. S7TT. I think that we should carry this on in a dedicated thread for it, yes-no?

 

[McLaren]

Experimental, I think not. This is an exerpt from EVO magazine site.


Saleen is now offering buyers of its 750bhp S7 Twin Turbo supercar the option of a 'performance upgrade'. It costs £46,500 on top of the S7's £320,000 list price and boosts the 7-litre twin-turbo V8 to a claimed 1000bhp. Coupled with a relatively light kerbweight of 1338kg, the huge power should allow the S7 to challenge the Bugatti Veyron as the fastest production car in the world. And with 75 examples of the S7 already delivered in the US, the Saleen certainly has every right to claim the title.

Even with the 'cooking' 750bhp engine, the S7 Twin Turbo is said to be good for a sub-three second run to 60mph, and 100mph flashes up in a claimed six seconds flat. Currently Saleen claims a top speed of 240mph for the S7 Twin Turbo but with the 1000bhp upgrade there are whispers that the car has already topped over 260mph in testing. Wonder what it'd do at the Nürburgring...

They will be running tests in the coming weeks I believe, the Veyron vs. S7TT. I think that we should carry this on in a dedicated thread for it, yes-no?

Read it all again.

I mentioned the add-on.

 

[Jedi2016]

I'll wait to see some proof before I start comparing cars to the Veyron. Just because a car has 1000hp doesn't necessarily mean it will be just as fast.. the Veyron is designed to go that fast, it wasn't "modded" to get the extra power. Even that article above mentions that it's only a "claimed 1000hp".

Corners may still be up in the air, but as of this moment, no production car on Earth can keep up with a Veyron on the straights.

Or, think of it in Gran Turismo terms. If you have to mod a car to be faster than a stock car, then it no longer counts. Not in my book, anyway... I drive almost all of my cars in GT stock.

 

[SavageEvil]

I'll wait to see some proof before I start comparing cars to the Veyron. Just because a car has 1000hp doesn't necessarily mean it will be just as fast.. the Veyron is designed to go that fast, it wasn't "modded" to get the extra power. Even that article above mentions that it's only a "claimed 1000hp".

Corners may still be up in the air, but as of this moment, no production car on Earth can keep up with a Veyron on the straights.

Or, think of it in Gran Turismo terms. If you have to mod a car to be faster than a stock car, then it no longer counts. Not in my book, anyway... I drive almost all of my cars in GT stock.

This is an in-house modification, which means they are doing in from factory level, thereby still rendering the car as a stock vehicle. The 750hp TT makes a 1 mile run in 25.9sec @ 205.7 mph, on the way it reaches 200 mph in 23.4 seconds. On a concrete runway too, John Spruill was the Saleen test driver. Remember the TT also has a low Cd, around .33Cd i think it is. Guess only the tests will prove if it has the mettle. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Disturbed07]

I can name 6 cars that destory every d*mn road going Ferrari or are on-par with them.

Lamborghini's Gallardo is as equal as the F430, and the Murcielago is no push over.
Let's not forget after every Ferrari got the top speed record, Lamborghini AND Porsche were right there to snatch it from them.

And not to mention Koenigsegg, Noble, BMW's M6, Porsche's Carrera GT, and even the Ford GT.

I'm not sure if I got this right, or am mistaken
are you implying/thinking that the Gallardo is faster on a track than a Murcielago? if so, check the thread, Nurburgring lap times - in the general cars section. There you will see that, as far as has been found so far, the Murc has a far better time then the Gallardo. Make no doubt about it, the Murc is top dog in Lamborghini right now

 

[Laorin]

I'll wait to see some proof before I start comparing cars to the Veyron. Just because a car has 1000hp doesn't necessarily mean it will be just as fast.. the Veyron is designed to go that fast, it wasn't "modded" to get the extra power. Even that article above mentions that it's only a "claimed 1000hp".

Corners may still be up in the air, but as of this moment, no production car on Earth can keep up with a Veyron on the straights.

Or, think of it in Gran Turismo terms. If you have to mod a car to be faster than a stock car, then it no longer counts. Not in my book, anyway... I drive almost all of my cars in GT stock.

Yeah, that's exactly why I want to see the Veyron in GT5. It is unlikely we will ever even see track times for those cars (i will be shocked someone has the balls to take one out on a track if anything). But it would be fun to see how they stack up. I wonder if PD could get it right without taking it for a spin around Nurb

 

[Dave A]

Coupled with a relatively light kerbweight of 1338kg, the huge power should allow the S7 to challenge the Bugatti Veyron as the fastest production car in the world. And with 75 examples of the S7 already delivered in the US, the Saleen certainly has every right to claim the title.

Get weight out of your mind, top speed doesn't depend on it.

 

[SavageEvil]

Get weight out of your mind, top speed doesn't depend on it.

Oh really, weight isn't a factor in how long it will take you to achieve top speed? What about balance at higher speeds, you think F1's are light for no apparent reason? I wonder how much downforce/lift is generated by the Veyron at speeds excess of 220, since the rear wing is adjustable how balanced does the car remain at higher speeds, considering only the rear downforce is automatically adjustable(i don't know if the front df is adjustable).

Watched a vid of the Veyron, that thing is fast and that's no joke, they had four of them. That is one wide ass car, I don't think any production car can match it's 0-60, unless it's another 4WD with serious torque delivery.

If you looked at my post it was taken from EVO mag website, not my words.

 

[Dave A]

I didn't say acceleration, I said top speed the actualy limit to how fast the car will go. A quick point that in the Veyron the front and rear dowforce adjusts though the rear to a greater degree obviously. And I apologise for mistaking your quote of Evo as your own words, my bad.

 

[crimson_menace]

It'd be fun to have one of them Veyrons & a topspeed test track in GT5.

 

[nos2]

If they put the Veyron in GT5, I hope they make a HP meter for it.

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

I read an article in Wheels earlier today where they test drove the Veyron and the guy reckoned it handled awesomely even at over 200kph. Also, it has a handling mode and a speed mode. To go the full (limited) 407kph you have to stop the car and put in the speed key. It sets the suspension and reduces downforce allowing the car to go full speed. Apparently the car would be good for 430-440 without the limiter/tyres or something along those lines.

 

[Jedi2016]

That's one advantage we'll have if the car makes it into the game.. chances are the "change" will be on-the-fly (which is car is capable of doing.. you can even see it on the Top Gear episode, seeing the spoiler deploy while he's driving down the road). And, of course, since it's a game, the limiter will be taken off. I have a feeling the Veyron will be the undisputed king of the Test Track races.. no other car will even come close, unless it's got a boatload of power mods.

 

[Dave A]

Yeah, the Veyron can go comfortably over 252mph, but the tyre's can't so they limited it to 252, it'd be pretty bad if the first top speed run ended with the guy's tyres blowing out at 255 and him killing himself.

 

[Jedi2016]

Yeah, the Veyron can go comfortably over 252mph, but the tyre's can't so they limited it to 252, it'd be pretty bad if the first top speed run ended with the guy's tyres blowing out at 255 and him killing himself.

Hence the "if it's in the game" comment, where safety becomes a non-issue.