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Yes. And just imagine the Veyron with power upgrades.....*drools all over the place*
Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.
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Ok, I would like to know where you guys are getting these nubers of the Vetron riding comfortably at 250+, considering the manufacturer listed the top speed in the 250 mph range, I'm not banking on any vehicle riding comfortably at 252mph, I would like to get some links to show me this, so far i've heard the car is unbelievebly fast, from the video it looks very stable doing 1/4 mile. But i haven't seen, nor read from any reputable source about the Veyron doing anything worthwhile as of yet. But I would like to hear more, and see where you guys are getting your information on this car, as so far I can find only tidbits and while most seem on the up and up, none are as crazy as riding comfortably at 250+.
Not like the W 16 engine the Veyron houses can be tuned anymore, it's got 4 turbo chargers, only way you're gonna eke anything else out of there is to remove catalytic converter and tweak the ECU, but that would be stupid anyway.
The only time I've seen a top speed posted for this thing
Says here that it reached 248.7 mph, just going over 400kmh.
Not like the W 16 engine the Veyron houses can be tuned anymore, it's got 4 turbo chargers, only way you're gonna eke anything else out of there is to remove catalytic converter and tweak the ECU, but that would be stupid anyway.
The only time I've seen a top speed posted for this thing
Says here that it reached 248.7 mph, just going over 400kmh.
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A journlist has hit 252mph, it doesn't go in the GBR because it was only once, you have to do it twice both times within 30 mins of each other to go into the GBR. If you haven't read of the Veyron doing anything worthwhile yet you either don't read car mags or the ones in New York arn't giving you that info. It's all over the place over here. You could get a lot more power out of the Veyron engine, just like you can get 1800bhp from a Vipers V10, it's a question of replacing parts and the turbo's ect but reliability will suffer as a result, just like it does in a 1000bhp Viper or a 1200Bhp Skyline. Theres no claim to the ride quality at 250mph, no one has said there is, but it can do 252mph, it's limited to 253 because thats the fastest the tyres have been tested to where they meet saftey levels they're happy with.
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That's just like when the Maclaren went faster than the top speed it had in the GB, it's utterly pointless to claim that since it was never substantiated. You follow me, the 248.7 mph that it hit was in two directions tested by Bugatti themselves and was clocked by some other German time keeping officials. I've spent the whole day scouring the Net on info, and Bugatti Veyron head honcho said that the Veyron top speed goal is 250mph. Heck he even bought his wife one. This is an amazing achievement for Bugatti, the car is literally out of this world to look at, a technical marvel, but will never go beyond the bounds of being a piece of eyecandy. I would love to afford one and have it parked in my garage, never drive it more than 5 mi per hour.live4speed
Hey I also came across a blog of the Veyron being tested and Bugatti themselves brough an S7TT along with them, for what purpose i have no idea, I'll link it up once i find it again.
I'm enjoying this lil talk we're having here, be back with more credible info.
Blog link with pics
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You criticise any info you can't see simply because you'd like to argue about it. If I see pictures and info from a credible car magazine categorically stating that the car has been driven there and done that then as far as I's concerned it has. Some kid on the other side of the planet isn't going to be able to categorically state anything about this car simple as. It's not a single small comment either, it's all over the magazines here, just because you don't get our car mags when we do, you get them later doesn't make it less credible. You haven't done much checking if you haven't found references to the Veyrons top speed being set at 253mph. As for the McLarens top speed, that was on video, and you can download it from several sites. The only factor with that was it had the catalyctic converter removed, which was also stated before the test, so thats why it never counted in the GBR.
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live4speed
Ok first off, i've read enough mags Motor Trend, Automotive News etc, strange thing is, they all say top speed is 250mph, yet no one claims to have tested this yet, so why should I swallow that claim, you understand. Checked that link from Team666, and lo and behold the driver said he hit 253, and more than once. So I will keep that speed in my mind as the top speed claim to beat all others. That is the only other reference besides the 248.7 mph clocked by Bugatti. We'll see what happens though.
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Probably simply because they're like all American mags I've read including thoes two, behind when it comes to European cars, a few sites list it as 252 or 253mph, the exact figure is and I quote from TopGear magazine, which is a figure give to them straight from Bugatti themselves "The Veyron is electronically limited (I kid you not) to 407.5kmh, since that is the speed it's makers have been confident of achieving in testing. If you want to go faster than that, you'll just have to resort to the Demon Tweaks catalogue. that's 253.20827 of our British mph" Britsh mph btw is the same as the US's mph and everywhere elses just incase you make a comment that it might not be.
I've also seen the Veyron driven on TV, and the same figures were stated there, it was also talked about on 5th gear and the same figures were on there. That site posted is NOT the only reference. It's just the only one you've admitted to seeing, or have seem. As I said, if thats the only one you HAVE seen then you simply haven't seen much current info on the car. Even Ferdinand Peich stated on the record, they are aiming to hit 252mph, sure originally 250mph+ was the target, but it has managed that +. Like I said, your only arguing because you CAN, not because you know your right, the simple fact is, I know your wrong. But until your US car mags catch up on the curreent info you won't listen anyway. So goodnight to this argument because I'm not in the mood for it.
I've also seen the Veyron driven on TV, and the same figures were stated there, it was also talked about on 5th gear and the same figures were on there. That site posted is NOT the only reference. It's just the only one you've admitted to seeing, or have seem. As I said, if thats the only one you HAVE seen then you simply haven't seen much current info on the car. Even Ferdinand Peich stated on the record, they are aiming to hit 252mph, sure originally 250mph+ was the target, but it has managed that +. Like I said, your only arguing because you CAN, not because you know your right, the simple fact is, I know your wrong. But until your US car mags catch up on the curreent info you won't listen anyway. So goodnight to this argument because I'm not in the mood for it.
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I bet it would be king of the autobahn with that high of a top speed.
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Simple fact, until it makes it's GB top speed run, those numbers hold little value above the stated by Bugatti top speed of 250+. DOES that sink in?
Considering I live in the US, do you think I would get European info as quickly as you do? I'm not saying the car isn't a great marvel of engineering, to a point. But like the CCR and the Maclaren before it, bragging rights don't come until you put your money where your mouth is and go for it OFFICIALLY!!!!!!
Don't waste time beating me in the head with what mags have done, because each mags testing differs in numbers slightly, from differentiation 0-60 times to different top speeds. But hopefully Bugatti will lay it all out and end this specualtion. I sense emotions getting into this, so I'll take my leave of this until things cool down.
Considering this little disagreement started because I for one can actually believe that the S7TT will outdo the Veyron on the 'Ring. I still stand by that, something about a 4100lb car definately not being able to out manuever a 2950lb car on a course as demanding as the Nür. I know some marvels in this world exist but the Veyron just doesn't strike me as one capable of this. Considering the S7TT is almost identical to the S7R, hmmm maybe now you understand why I think the S7TT will outperform it on the Nür.
Anyway I'm going to check out more laughter on boards as i hear people go nuts over the Veyron and argue why it's a waste , and why it's not and all sorts of things. Have fun guys.
Considering I live in the US, do you think I would get European info as quickly as you do? I'm not saying the car isn't a great marvel of engineering, to a point. But like the CCR and the Maclaren before it, bragging rights don't come until you put your money where your mouth is and go for it OFFICIALLY!!!!!!
Don't waste time beating me in the head with what mags have done, because each mags testing differs in numbers slightly, from differentiation 0-60 times to different top speeds. But hopefully Bugatti will lay it all out and end this specualtion. I sense emotions getting into this, so I'll take my leave of this until things cool down.
Considering this little disagreement started because I for one can actually believe that the S7TT will outdo the Veyron on the 'Ring. I still stand by that, something about a 4100lb car definately not being able to out manuever a 2950lb car on a course as demanding as the Nür. I know some marvels in this world exist but the Veyron just doesn't strike me as one capable of this. Considering the S7TT is almost identical to the S7R, hmmm maybe now you understand why I think the S7TT will outperform it on the Nür.
Anyway I'm going to check out more laughter on boards as i hear people go nuts over the Veyron and argue why it's a waste , and why it's not and all sorts of things. Have fun guys.
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So your saying that if a car actually goes 253mph, it doesn't matter until it does it twice within half an hour of each run. I'm sorry but don't talk bollocks, it's done 253mph, that means the car CAN DO 253mph, regardless of how many people have seen it or if it did it twice so close to each other. Bugatti have ALREADY laid it out, they gave TopGear their numbers, TopGear quoted Bugatti when they said i's limited to 253mph, what it can do is decided, when it does it, not when somomone puts into a specific book. Your right that you can't officially brag about it's speed until you run it, officially, but the fact it has run that fast is still a fact and means the car can run that fast regardless of what book it's written in. Arguing that it can't is moot since the fact it has means it can. And again, Bugatti's officail stated top speed is 253mph (limited).
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The car has been confirmed at 253MPH, as Csaba Csere of Car and Driver Magazine took the car to it's top speed (limited) in the November 2005 issue.
He track-tested the car at the Ehra-Lessien VW test track, just outside of Wolfsburg, Germany. It is the place where Veyron owners will be able to put their cars to the test and run at 253MPH themselves, as it is not recomended to do it on public roads.
It took Csaba two laps to reach the cars 230MPH limit before giving it another go in the "top speed" mode which is activated by coming to a complete stop and turning a special key that eliminates all possible drag limitations of the car, taking the drag coeffecient from .41 to .036 which changes peak downforce weight from 770 pounds to 120 pounds. Only then can it reach its limited top speed of 253MPH, which took about a lap to accomplish before having to let off a bit for a corner, and then carried the 253MPH speed for about three miles of the five mile long backstretch.
So in the rankings of world's fastest automobiles:
1) 2005 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 @ 253MPH as confirmed by Car and Driver
2) 2005 Koeingsegg CCR @ 241 MPH as confirmed by an indie observer
3) 1998 McLaren F1 @ 240 MPH as confirmed by an indie observer
4) *2003 Saleen S7/S7TT @ 223 MPH at 6500-rpm redline
5) 2004 Ferrari Enzo @ 220 MPH as confirmed by Auto Motor und Sport Magazine
6) 1993 Jaguar XJ220 @ 212 MPH as confirmed by an indie observer
7) 1992 Bugatti EB110GT @ 212 MPH as confirmed by Autocar Magazine
8) 2002 Pagani Zonda S @ 208 MPH as confirmed by Sport Auto Magazine
9) 2004 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren @ 207 MPH as confirmed by Auto Motor und Sport Magazine
10) 2004 Porsche Carrera GT @ 207 MPH as confirmed by Auto Motor und Sport Magazine
* Predicted top speed by Car and Driver as the S7 could possibly achieve the redline in sixth gear given space, although it is undeniable that the new S7TT will do it without a problem.
I personally would like to include the Lingenfelter 650 427TT Corvette from a few years back, which Motor Trend clocked at 225MPH, the fastest car they have ever tested. There is also an 850 427TT Corvette, which holds the record for fastest 0-60 time of 1.9 seconds (as tested by Motor Trend), but no record for top speed.
He track-tested the car at the Ehra-Lessien VW test track, just outside of Wolfsburg, Germany. It is the place where Veyron owners will be able to put their cars to the test and run at 253MPH themselves, as it is not recomended to do it on public roads.
It took Csaba two laps to reach the cars 230MPH limit before giving it another go in the "top speed" mode which is activated by coming to a complete stop and turning a special key that eliminates all possible drag limitations of the car, taking the drag coeffecient from .41 to .036 which changes peak downforce weight from 770 pounds to 120 pounds. Only then can it reach its limited top speed of 253MPH, which took about a lap to accomplish before having to let off a bit for a corner, and then carried the 253MPH speed for about three miles of the five mile long backstretch.
So in the rankings of world's fastest automobiles:
1) 2005 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 @ 253MPH as confirmed by Car and Driver
2) 2005 Koeingsegg CCR @ 241 MPH as confirmed by an indie observer
3) 1998 McLaren F1 @ 240 MPH as confirmed by an indie observer
4) *2003 Saleen S7/S7TT @ 223 MPH at 6500-rpm redline
5) 2004 Ferrari Enzo @ 220 MPH as confirmed by Auto Motor und Sport Magazine
6) 1993 Jaguar XJ220 @ 212 MPH as confirmed by an indie observer
7) 1992 Bugatti EB110GT @ 212 MPH as confirmed by Autocar Magazine
8) 2002 Pagani Zonda S @ 208 MPH as confirmed by Sport Auto Magazine
9) 2004 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren @ 207 MPH as confirmed by Auto Motor und Sport Magazine
10) 2004 Porsche Carrera GT @ 207 MPH as confirmed by Auto Motor und Sport Magazine
* Predicted top speed by Car and Driver as the S7 could possibly achieve the redline in sixth gear given space, although it is undeniable that the new S7TT will do it without a problem.
I personally would like to include the Lingenfelter 650 427TT Corvette from a few years back, which Motor Trend clocked at 225MPH, the fastest car they have ever tested. There is also an 850 427TT Corvette, which holds the record for fastest 0-60 time of 1.9 seconds (as tested by Motor Trend), but no record for top speed.
I want the 800 hp $3 million Maserati Birdcage concept (for people not familiar it uses a modified Enzo/MC12 engine), and Koenigsegg, and more from Callaway eg the sledgehammer, the f50 and f60/enzo would be nice and you gotta have lambo, I can live without porsche, since there is ruf, the biggest tuner of porsche, but they need a cayman, and they gotta get an 8000hp drag car ( if only they could be steered)
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As drag cars would be...
If they added every Mclaren F1 model ever made (road and GT-R versions), and similar treatment for porsche,ferrari, and lambo, I would buy a ps3 the day it comes out. It would be too much. That would just be tooo much..
..and i was the person saying i wouldn't get into next gen gaming until late 2007.
..and i was the person saying i wouldn't get into next gen gaming until late 2007.
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Heh. Gran Turismo 5 at launch or not, I'm gonna preorder a PS3. Oh, and I have a feeling that Ferrari will make an appearance or five, as well as Lambourghini, but we'll see soon enough. May is coming soon...
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Yeah we'll see ferrari etc. on the PS3, just not in GT.
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Oh dear, how many more times??!!!!!
I agree live4speed, about the first sentence, this thread is plagued with it.
I agree live4speed, about the first sentence, this thread is plagued with it.
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Even if the prestigious marque isn't in the next GT, there's still no reason to be discouraged. GT will always feature a wide variety of cars, and GT4 was about the best diversity of cars. Models in GT4 ranged from Kei cars to compacts to sports cars to even exotics. There were even trucks and a few variety of race cars including Dakar racing machines. Variety among different types of cars and different types of race cars makes the GT series as diverse as possible. I know this topic is about Ferrari's chances in GT, but an array of open-wheel formula cars (Formula 3, Star Mazda, Thoroughbred GP (an FIA-sanctioned series with classic Formula 1 race cars) would help in the diversity department.
Back to Ferrari. One of the first things I normally state is that I am a Ferrari fan. The reason why I am always forgiving for Ferrari's abscence is because there have been many other cars available to tune and race. It's been my unconditional love of tuning automobiles in GT which has gotten me to where I am now as a car fan. If Ferrari was included, I'd want to race (sorry to go to the other side) some or all of the Ferraris available in Forza Motorsport, and then some. Since I'm a Houston boy, Texas-based racing team Risi Competitzione should have their race cars represented. Perhaps even include more of my favorite race car of all-time, the Ferrari 333SP. It was that sexy Ferrari with a sweet engine roar at speed (except the Judd V10 I've heard in some cars). You already know Ferraris have that distinctive and lovely engine roar to them. If they want to include Ferrari, they may have to get EVERYTHING down from the hot bodies down to the distinctive roar of the autos. And if Ferrari was in GT5, I'd love to see Ferrari Challenge autos with the 360 Modena and even the new F430. I never really liked the 355 F1. So no harm, no foul.
But if the company doesn't make it in the game, hey. I never DEMANDED the company to be in. It's win-win either way for me.
Back to Ferrari. One of the first things I normally state is that I am a Ferrari fan. The reason why I am always forgiving for Ferrari's abscence is because there have been many other cars available to tune and race. It's been my unconditional love of tuning automobiles in GT which has gotten me to where I am now as a car fan. If Ferrari was included, I'd want to race (sorry to go to the other side) some or all of the Ferraris available in Forza Motorsport, and then some. Since I'm a Houston boy, Texas-based racing team Risi Competitzione should have their race cars represented. Perhaps even include more of my favorite race car of all-time, the Ferrari 333SP. It was that sexy Ferrari with a sweet engine roar at speed (except the Judd V10 I've heard in some cars). You already know Ferraris have that distinctive and lovely engine roar to them. If they want to include Ferrari, they may have to get EVERYTHING down from the hot bodies down to the distinctive roar of the autos. And if Ferrari was in GT5, I'd love to see Ferrari Challenge autos with the 360 Modena and even the new F430. I never really liked the 355 F1. So no harm, no foul.
But if the company doesn't make it in the game, hey. I never DEMANDED the company to be in. It's win-win either way for me.
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It's a possibility, but then again if they could have, they probably would have before. Much as ferraris are cool, I'd more like to see the lamborghini presence in GT5 over anything else (Porsche i don't care about, you can have RUF!). But then we're dreaming there, so there's no point liking to see them. They just won't be in. Period.
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A very good idea. That's what I was thinking too. Using Koenig would be a nice loophole to get some Ferraris into the game, similar to using RUF to get Porsches in Gran Turismo. Koenig likes to turbocharge their Ferraris, so they could be some serious heavyweights in the game. Prodrive built a race version of the Ferrari 550, so that could be another loophole.
There is a company(can't remember the name) that modified the Lamborghini Gallardo for GT3 class racing. Since PD was able to get away with using the Nomad-liveried Diablo in GT3, having race-only cars might be a way to get some Ferraris and Lambos in GT5.
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Frankly, I think the PS3 hard drive guarantees that we'll eventually see The Big Three in the game legitimately. I don't know when, but I doubt it will be too very long.
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I'm inclined to agree with TD. Sooner or later, they've just got to put them in there. For me, having Ferrari, Porsche and Lambo would be an amazing addition. I haven't really missed them up until now; I mean it doesn't make GT a BAD game, but if I close my eyes and imagine seeing those names on the manufacturer's screen, and a full backcatalogue of models for each! It makes me go all tingly!!
Don't forget, you are probably talking about THE top 3 sports-car manufacturers of all time. For ALL THREE of them to be excluded from a racing game that is largely based on the idea of owning and racing road cars just seems completely crazy. Infact the more I think about it, the more I realise what we've been missing! WAAAHH!! THey can't go on with this madness!!
The selection of exotics is lacking SO badly. We've got such a thin assortment: Aston (3), Spyker (1) and Pagani (2 - same car, differnt engines), then there's the Ford GT, a Cizeta ffs!! The Cizeta was a complete farce of supercar project from well over a decade ago! There's some japanese "LM road cars" but they're really just race cars.
Oh and I don't think using Konig is the same as RUF, because, as far as I know RUF's are NOT tuned porsches: They use porsche body shells, but underneath it's a completely unique car. Anyway I don't want some red german thing with a stupid body kit and 20" chrome alloyz, I want a Ferrari! And I just can't believe the licence fee as an excuse. Polyphony has surely raked in far more cash than any of the other games companies who've stumped up the costs. I would love to know the real reason they've been excluded.
OHa nd wtf happened to Venturi!? I've only just remembered them and now I'm even more annoyed!!!
Don't forget, you are probably talking about THE top 3 sports-car manufacturers of all time. For ALL THREE of them to be excluded from a racing game that is largely based on the idea of owning and racing road cars just seems completely crazy. Infact the more I think about it, the more I realise what we've been missing! WAAAHH!! THey can't go on with this madness!!
The selection of exotics is lacking SO badly. We've got such a thin assortment: Aston (3), Spyker (1) and Pagani (2 - same car, differnt engines), then there's the Ford GT, a Cizeta ffs!! The Cizeta was a complete farce of supercar project from well over a decade ago! There's some japanese "LM road cars" but they're really just race cars.
Oh and I don't think using Konig is the same as RUF, because, as far as I know RUF's are NOT tuned porsches: They use porsche body shells, but underneath it's a completely unique car. Anyway I don't want some red german thing with a stupid body kit and 20" chrome alloyz, I want a Ferrari! And I just can't believe the licence fee as an excuse. Polyphony has surely raked in far more cash than any of the other games companies who've stumped up the costs. I would love to know the real reason they've been excluded.
OHa nd wtf happened to Venturi!? I've only just remembered them and now I'm even more annoyed!!!
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I've heard from more than one source that EA's exclusive contract is about up, and someone pointed out that Porsche's and Ferrari's are appearing in other games, like PGR. I'll have to check out PGR3 and see if it's a "Microsoft Studios" game. I'm pretty sure Forza is an EA game rebadged.
In any case, the Gran Turismo's on the PS3 will be the state of the art in driving, and I just can't see Kazunori leaving anything out. And as RT points out above, this game allows all of us to be playboy billionaire car collectors. None of us will be satisfied if we're denied much longer. Other games are getting The Big Three, and the roar of demand will get pretty loud if they aren't included in GT5 at some point.
In any case, the Gran Turismo's on the PS3 will be the state of the art in driving, and I just can't see Kazunori leaving anything out. And as RT points out above, this game allows all of us to be playboy billionaire car collectors. None of us will be satisfied if we're denied much longer. Other games are getting The Big Three, and the roar of demand will get pretty loud if they aren't included in GT5 at some point.
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