Ferrari in GT? Not a chance.

[Mad Murphy NZ]

Gran Turismo isn't really about Supercars, notice how few races there are for supercars like the Zonda, GT40 etc. Gran Turismo never needed to sell itself on offering Gimmicky supercars like other games do, people buy Gran Turismo to race real cars not crazy exotic cars they'll never get to see in real life.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Well, the game wont benefit from these cars to the people that think these cars are ultro-exotic-super-over-rated-fat-rich-people-that-leave-them-gathering-dust-in-some-mantion. No, they dont care. Personally, I think that Lamborghinis are over weight cows. Yet, Id still like to see Diablos, Gallardos and miura's in the game, to broaden the selection of cars, satisfy the lambo-people, but mostly so I can embarass them on the track. Now, Im a big Ferrari and Maserati (nobody ever mentions maserati) fan. When I think pure GT cars, the first thing that comes to my mind are Astons and Maseratis. Ferrari's are also right up there with their 456 GTs and 575Ms. The game needs these cars, eventually. You see, video games are now becoming much more advanced with alot more space on the disks. Soon, our GT games will be packing 1000+ cars and the GT games will likely include alot of racing cars. Thats where a problem is. You cant have a complete collection of JGTC cars without Jim Gainer 360s, JLOC Diablos and Murcies, and the various GT3s that have competed and done well in GT300. What is FIA GT without MC12s and 550/575Ms? What is the history of Lemans without the various Ferrari and Porsche sports cars of the last 50 years? PD said themselves GT is becoming a library of automotive history.

Speaking of history, the game lacks record breakers like the Mclaren F1, Koenigseggs, and Ferrari F40. The game has the Ford GT40, but lacks its rivals, the Ferrari 330 and various Porsche prototypes of the 60s (904,906 etc.). And where is Bugatti? Hell, Enthusia has bugatti. Pd will be filling up their roster with more econo boxes and sedans while the rivals give the people fast coupes, exotics and real sports cars. This is the problem.

Now, this problem will be concealed by great graphics, Great physics, realistic real-world tracks, a massive car list featuring BMWs, Mercs, Corvettes,Zondas, Lancer EVOs and Subarus and hopefully great online. This creates an attractive package and it sells. But later, this 'ferrari and porsche issue' will start to grow bigger, and it already is.

For now though, PD needs to work on its physics, weather system, larger grids and online play. I think thats more important.

 

[KENJIusa]

well, **** ferrari, porsche and lambo, I don't really give a damn if those branches don't appear in GT5, like John said, as long as the racing is good, then GT5 is good to go. Great physics, AIs and graphics , those are what I really expect from Gt5.

 

[Pupik]

Gran Turismo never needed to sell itself on offering Gimmicky supercars like other games do, people buy Gran Turismo to race real cars not crazy exotic cars they'll never get to see in real life.

Exactly!

The original GT had mostly everyday cars in it. Save the two Vipers and the Aston Martins, there actually wasn't anything exotic or limited to choose from. Sure, if you're from North America, some of those Skylines and a few other cars are super-rare and unusual, but where the game was created and initially released, it's comparatively run-of-the-mill. PD also added a few race cars, some fantasy "dream cars", three tuner cars, and a concept car or two to spice it up.

And that was it. GT2 just exploded with new brands, and after it's release with a staggering 600+ cars, that's when people started to wonder..."Well, where's Porsche and Lamborghini and Ferrari?" Even I figured they were hidden somewhere in the game, but the more I played it, the less it meant in the whole scope of things to have them included.

Face it, if you're not buying the GT games solely on the absence of a few brand names, you're what I'd call a labelwhore.

 

[Laorin]

Well, the game wont benefit from these cars to the people that think these cars are ultro-exotic-super-over-rated-fat-rich-people-that-leave-them-gathering-dust-in-some-mantion. No, they dont care. Personally, I think that Lamborghinis are over weight cows. Yet, Id still like to see Diablos, Gallardos and miura's in the game, to broaden the selection of cars, satisfy the lambo-people, but mostly so I can embarass them on the track. Now, Im a big Ferrari and Maserati (nobody ever mentions maserati) fan. When I think pure GT cars, the first thing that comes to my mind are Astons and Maseratis. Ferrari's are also right up there with their 456 GTs and 575Ms. The game needs these cars, eventually. You see, video games are now becoming much more advanced with alot more space on the disks. Soon, our GT games will be packing 1000+ cars and the GT games will likely include alot of racing cars. Thats where a problem is. You cant have a complete collection of JGTC cars without Jim Gainer 360s, JLOC Diablos and Murcies, and the various GT3s that have competed and done well in GT300. What is FIA GT without MC12s and 550/575Ms? What is the history of Lemans without the various Ferrari and Porsche sports cars of the last 50 years? PD said themselves GT is becoming a library of automotive history.

Speaking of history, the game lacks record breakers like the Mclaren F1, Koenigseggs, and Ferrari F40. The game has the Ford GT40, but lacks its rivals, the Ferrari 330 and various Porsche prototypes of the 60s (904,906 etc.). And where is Bugatti? Hell, Enthusia has bugatti. Pd will be filling up their roster with more econo boxes and sedans while the rivals give the people fast coupes, exotics and real sports cars. This is the problem.

Now, this problem will be concealed by great graphics, Great physics, realistic real-world tracks, a massive car list featuring BMWs, Mercs, Corvettes,Zondas, Lancer EVOs and Subarus and hopefully great online. This creates an attractive package and it sells. But later, this 'ferrari and porsche issue' will start to grow bigger, and it already is.

For now though, PD needs to work on its physics, weather system, larger grids and online play. I think thats more important.

Well said. I would have to agree with you 100% - I'm a huge GT40 fan and it really really sucks not being able to race the true rivals of that car. Instead, I'm stuck on the track versus cars that are the same age and suck, or are newer and thus handle a lot better due to the progression of suspension mechanics and construction materials etc. - the GT40 is a beautiful car and maybe it is just me sucking with driving, but it doesn't really have any true competition. Everything seems either above or below it, and if any cars are equal to it, it sure as hell aint from the same time period.

This is where I'd adore seeing Ferraris and Porsches. Bring the old 1960's lemans cars in. For the love of whatever is holy to you, please, PD.

 

[JohnBM01]

About Post #91 by "MadMurphyNZ," that's the point I've been getting across all this time and glad you reinforced that point. I think the point some people don't really get is that we can be so childish at times. Childish to the point where we see Ferraris and Porsches as the ultimate machines out there, and everything else doesn't matter. To me, only enthusiasts will say that Ferrari and Porsches have withstood the test of time, and many of which make for perfect candidates for race cars. Sure, you'll see people type something like "Ferraris are so cool, but for PD not to include such cars is inexcusable." But how many do you see say "Ferrari, Porsche and such are some of the most complete and most storied auto makers in the world, and it would be a privledge to see them in GT5?" Okay, let's say they get the companies into GT5. NOW what do you do? Do you market or view the game as "FERRARI! PORSCHE! dodge, daihatsu, ford, mini, and FERRARI," or "another welcomed addition to the GT lineup?" Remember, I'm a Ferrari fan, but I'm not bothered that is isn't in a GT game. If PD can't get them in, I don't care. It won't make that much of a difference. Unless a game is about one specific car company (which GT CERTAINLY isn't about), a game shouldn't be judged only on what cars are in it. Did you enjoy Forza and the PGR series for the supercars only? If so, any GT game shouldn't be in your game collection.

I guess I'm going to try to counterattack and back up all kinds of stuff on cars in GT games. (1) People want real sports car companies. Well, what's wrong with names like Alfa Romeo, Jaguar, Aston Martin, MG (rest in peace), Audi, Mercedes-Benz to name a few? (2) People want great sports cars and exotics. What's wrong with the Ford GT, Pagani's lineup of Zondas, Saleen S7, Mercedes SLR McLaren, Spyker C8 Laviolette, Cizeta C16T, any Aston Martin in GT4, almost any TVR, almost any Ruf, Callaway C12, or anything that isn't on this list? People! You can still have sports car fun even without Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini. To me, this is something to be thankful to have. GT could have been all "grocery getters" and so-so sports cars and still be good. How can you write off other companies and only care about a certain manufacturer not included? I just don't get it. Are we looking at this wrong, or are we just ingrates to all this?

 

[SagarisGTB]

^^ I see what you are saying yet I dont think that is exactly the case. Ive always viewed as GT being about sports cars and not econoboxes or supercars. A middle ground with sporty cars like Imprezas, Evos, NSXs, Supras, Skylines and RX7s. Not all Ferraris and Maseratis are super exotics like Enzos and MC12s. My favorite Ferrari is the 275 GTB (Hence the GTB in SagarisGTB, Gran Turismo Berlinetta) and with 280hp, I dont think it would tear up Tokyo R246. In fact, the Dino line (206, 246, 308/208, 328, 348, F355, 360 and F430) wouldnt be able to keep up with an Evo until you get up to the modena, even then the Evo would still be, in my opinion, the favorite to win.

The game is called 'Gran Turismo' and it doesnt include Ferraris and Maseratis. Somehow, that doesnt sound right. Those two manufacturers helped invent the GT car as we know it.

And since when are Porsches super-exotics. They are the midlife crisis mobiles. Im pretty sure 944s, 924s, 928s, 911s and Boxters would have a hard time beating Kazs precious GTRs up until the late 90s 911s (the 928 is also good though). These arent high and mighty cars.

Im pretty sure that most of the GT crowd wants Ferrari and others in GT because we are Ferrari enthusiasts and car enthusiasts and we know what these cars are and how they are the real pieces of automotive gold. Many of us will never get to drive the Ferrari of our dreams around LeSarthe or the Nordschleife, so why not at least do it in our living rooms, on a future copy of GT.

 

[Mad Murphy NZ]

Ive always viewed as GT being about sports cars and not econoboxes or supercars. A middle ground with sporty cars like Imprezas, Evos, NSXs, Supras, Skylines and RX7s. Not all Ferraris and Maseratis are super exotics like Enzos and MC12s.

Couldn't have put it better myself

 

[Alonsomania]

Ferrari and Porsche's are over-hyped.

So,without the "magic three" the game would suck? Definately NO!

I don't really care if those brands are in or not,GT5 will still be an awesome game!

 

[Dave A]

They certainly arn't over hyped and anyone with a passion for cars will reel in the history of all three of thoes marquees. However GT5 being good or not will not hang on which exotic cars make the cut.

 

[rovens]

For me GT is about doin things in a car that ill probably never get to do in real life, if im lucky ill be able to take a car to a track a few times. On GT i can take a car that i could never own and drive the hell out of it, again and again and again.

Thsi sounds cliche but for me GT allows me to live my driving dreams. Ferraris, Zondas, Lambos are the cars of dreams (alright not everyones, yes zonda are here already). Being able to drive these with good physics would just complete the dream.

But hell ill buy the game woteva. I can have plenty of fun with a Lotus Elise and an S-bend.

 

[I6-4-eva]

Alright it's like this

Guy A: Whoa are you playing GT5?!
Guy B: Yeah foo it's the newest GT
Guy A: blah blah blah what no Ferrari,porsche lambo??
Guy B: Nope
Guy A: aw this sucks (leaves the room)
(5 minutes later)
Guy A: Can I play GT5?

 

[JohnBM01]

It's like this. Don't let the disappearance of Ferrari and Porsche and such disappoint you. When I'm saying this, I'm saying this out of respect. These are well-known, major makes. As much as I'd personally want to see them represented, I'm not obsessed or addicted to only big name cars. You all are right, however. The series was never meant about all sports cars all the time. You can take a Renault Avantime and make it shine in any field of racing you so choose. You can make a Saleen S7 even better than stock. The fact remains that while so many want a mix of pure sports cars and priceless exotics, I think only a select few are actually enthusiasts. Look at it like this. What car is on the cover of Gran Turismo 4? Right, the Ford GT. The Ford GT may not be an Enzo or Veyron in terms of rarity and exclusivity, but it is a powerful exotic from the blue oval of Ford. It remains a car many people won't be able to afford. Also, look at America's only real supercar- the Saleen S7. It is powerful, slick, exclusive, and just awesome. To me, it's a slap to the face to say that only Ferraris and Porsches make real race cars. People have made cars to defy imagination and to provide the best possible offering of automobles, and all you'd care about is Ferrari and Porsche. Even if Koenigsegg was in the game, there are still plenty of different car companies to choose from.

I know the Gran Turismo series is all about collecting cars, racing cars, and all this. Don't you realize, though, that people want to be able to race everyday cars or personal cars in the game? The more of "I want only supercars and sports cars" you get, you shy away from what GT is about. Not too many people admit that racing a Mini round a track can be fun because we're all driven by speed in racing games. To some, you can't race unless you have something stupidly fast and demonic. You want that attribute, here's your car: TVR Speed 12. For the rest of us, we'd like to diversify. Again, you don't need storied car companies to make a game fun. So, a completely crappy game can still be fun because of only a few companies in the game. Then too, I don't want such car companies only to smash them up. To me, I am not turned on at the notion of such car companies. But hey, we are all individuals entitled to our own opinions. I'm just trying to speak my mind through the medium of the Internet. Simply put, you don't NEED such companies. Why? Because solid racing is never secondary.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

Well yeah but damn.

Having a ferrari ingame is just awsome. It's the same as saying: "oh well I dont are Aston Martin is taken out of GT5, we still have the Honda Jazz" LOL I like having some cool names in the game.

Not that Aston Martin is taken out of it offcourse but just say it would be gone. I mean thats no fun. At least try to find cool cars instead of crappy FF cars with 60BHP I dont see why they ever felt like "OH DAMN I gotta include Nissan Pao in my game, otherwise no one will buy it!!!"

They should search for better faster cars in the game to make up with the boring ones, and if you try to find more I think you cant just ignore ferrari and porsche and stuff.

 

[SavageEvil]

Some of you peole are just missing the actual essence of what GT is. It is not about having the fastest car, or the best car, it's about CARS! Whether it be a Pao with a meager 60hp, or the S7 with a beastly 550hp, they offer the driver something to understand and experience while driving the car. GT4 while not the be all end all of sim-like driving games, does better than any one driving game on any system. It gives you variety that is pretty much unparalleled, over 50 courses, cars ranging from 0hp rating to those with well over 1000hp.

There are gripes about damage, but understand this, while it may not have damage it's not necessary at this point in GT's evolution. Seriously in collisions millions of things can go wrong with your car, not to mention with you the driver, how do you model that in a game? Crashes are an unfortunate part of racing, but it's usually a fault of either human error or mechanical failure, majority is human error. While damage is part or driving, it isn't necessary to give a quality driving experience.

 

[Jedi2016]

These are well-known, major makes. As much as I'd personally want to see them represented, I'm not obsessed or addicted to only big name cars.

Bingo. I'd like to see 'em, too, but it's not going to affect my decision to purchase the game. Hell, that decision's already been made (in the affirmative), and we've only seen TWO confirmed cars, for cryin' out loud.

 

[Laorin]

Ferrari and Porsche's are over-hyped.

So,without the "magic three" the game would suck? Definately NO!

I don't really care if those brands are in or not,GT5 will still be an awesome game!

I haven't seen a single person "hyping" Ferrari or Porsche on this thread. They're good cars, and we'd like to see them in game. That's it. If you've ever been truly passionate about a car before, you'll understand what some people are going through. Cut 'em some slack. They're good cars. Not the best obviously but no car is really the "best". They're exotics. Very sexy exotics.

Hype has nothing to do with it. They are popular cars and thus people want to try driving them in GT5. That's it. I don't see what the big deal is. Are Corvettes "over hyped" because I really like them?

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

I'd just like to see a ferrari on the starting grid(or 2, imagining 20 cars on the starting grid). No need to explain it, it would be cool!

And well I dun care if I dont like GT for it's essence, maybe I dont but I still like the game!

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

-> Well this has been an issue since after GT1 came out, whats the deal? Can't people deal with Ferrari and other exotics not being able to be in GT? As of now, I'm completely satified with the progress that PD has been doing over the years (well, with a little exception from GT3). So what gives of Ferrari not being in GT? Did GT got to this status because of FL&P (Ferrari, Lamborghini & Porsche)? Um no. All I have to say is just there are other ways of improving GT like re-do the AI, acquire more race tracks, and start making it online-ready.

-> I know its kinda bit of off-topic, is it the same thing with Tourist Trophy not having Harley-Davidson, Buell, and Ducati?

(:

 

[Jedi2016]

Actually, you know what would make me really happy? If GT finally got one of MY cars in the damn game.

An '06 Mazda3i sedan would be swell, since that's what I'm driving now.

 

[Young_Warrior]

I dont care about ferrari and porsche being in a game. And then I play xbox games which do have them in and I just want to be able to test those beasts out in a propper simulator like Gran Turismo. Ferraris sound is just amazing. PD need to get their act together. Even if they made a special edition GT which was £20 extra and only included ferrai and porsche cars I would buy it.

 

[JohnBM01]

I guess some people never grow up, Vanishing Boy. ;-) People wanted to ding up and smash up cars, and how has the public taken THAT issue? Thought so.

Anyhow, one of my fellow Texans, Jedi, came up with a good point. Not so much that we are both lovers of the Mazda 3, but basically what it means. You won't see many people who personally own a Ferrari, Porsche, or even a Lamborghini complain and b*tch that they want their personal rides in the game as much as someone with a 1949 VW Beetle. This is something else to keep in mind. Some like the daily driver aspect and consider lesser vehicles as dream cars. I don't think Ferraris and such are really overhyped. They are overhyped only if a gamer can have fun with a certain car from a certain make that they can't have any fun with in a Gran Turismo game. That's rubbish to me, because if there's a licensing issue that PD can't really sort out, then who's to blame- PD, or the auto makes? If the auto makes won't allow car damage or if PD can't implement it very well, who's to blame- PD, or the auto makes?

To me, it isn't like you can kindly ask a car company to be in the game and there they are. I'm not going to take shots at PD or anyone else just because a certain well-known sports car maker isn't in the game. I'm not looking for full speed all the time. I'd rather race around with "crappy FF cars with 60hp" a lot than exotic monsters with God-knows-what horsepower a lot. I'm not saying I hate certain companies, but sort of like, I'm sick of being concerned with ONLY fast cars. Games like "Forza Motorsport" feature Ferraris and such. And I bet many FM gamers are just prostituting Ferrari in our faces like "you can only get this in Forza, since GT is too lazy to get these licenses." Again, you don't need the car companies to make the next GT a hit. If they do find their way into GT, Don't only focus on these companies. I want my 360 Modena GT and F430 as much as any fan of the Prancing Horse, but if they don't have it in, I'm not going to protest outside of PD's home pad for Ferrari to be in the game. Then, if I was in Tokyo and I see a hot Japanese girl walking by, I'll give up the protest a bit... uh, anyhow... don't be so concerned. Can't stress this enough. There are plenty of other exotics to be had. Make it a Jaguar XJ220 and away you go. You dig?

 

[The Vanishing Boy]

^ I know what you mean dude, some people here are too thick-headed enough to understand the REAL reasons why PD can't do what they want to do. You are completely right, they're a tons of cars that can whoop Ferrari, but some guys said "Noouuuu, we want FL&P, we want damage, Forza is teh bum!", baloney! Forget FL&P, I'd rather see Marcos, Atom, Ultima, Innotech, and Venturi and Vector back since they are far easier to license than FL&P! (:

 

[GTguy40990]

That would be great if Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini were in GT5. But, if they weren't, I wouldn't raelly care.

 

[G-T-4-Fan]

You know it's damn simple but it's the smartest comment I've seen in this thread GTguy^^

I agree

 

[Dave A]

It's been a recurring theme in this thread, one or two members have said things along thoes lines and made sence, then a whole wave of other members say we need Ferrari and Porsche ect and bury the sensible comments in the middle of a pile of steaming muck.

 

[SimRaceDriver]

What I find hard to belive is that a small company such as Simbin (GTR PC Racing Game) can 'license' the 'race tuned version' of Ferrari's, Porsche's and Lambos from the FIA GT Champsionship, but a company as large as Sony/PD didn't bother to go that route! Personally, I'd rather race one of these cars than a JGCT....but can see how Sony/PD, being 'who' they are and where they're 'located' at, would probably not have even considered/bothered pursing this avenue.

 

[SavageEvil]

What I find hard to belive is that a small company such as Simbin (GTR PC Racing Game) can 'license' the 'race tuned version' of Ferrari's, Porsche's and Lambos from the FIA GT Champsionship, but a company as large as Sony/PD didn't bother to go that route! Personally, I'd rather race one of these cars than a JGCT....but can see how Sony/PD, being 'who' they are and where they're 'located' at, would probably not have even considered/bothered pursing this avenue.

You need to read up on things, there are clauses within liscences that restrict many things from happening.

 

[JohnBM01]

Well, you mentioned the three most wanted car companies. The JGTC/Super GT series is the lifeblood of Japanese racing. It is the most popular brand of racing in Japan and maybe in a few years, one of the best in the world. If any of you follow the Super GT series ( http://supergt.net (WARNING - Japanese, but you can click on "English" for English translation), you may have seen Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini mentioned. I can recall the Dentaire Projet Racing Ferrari 360 Modena, maybe heard of a 550 Maranello raced in GT500, some of the GT300 Porsches, and those big Lamborghini Murcielagos and the Nomad Diablo.

If you can't have Ferrari, Porsche, and Lamborghini, would you at least want to see these race cars I've mentioned, even if they are given dummy or fictional names?

 

[Dave A]

What I find hard to belive is that a small company such as Simbin (GTR PC Racing Game) can 'license' the 'race tuned version' of Ferrari's, Porsche's and Lambos from the FIA GT Champsionship, but a company as large as Sony/PD didn't bother to go that route! Personally, I'd rather race one of these cars than a JGCT....but can see how Sony/PD, being 'who' they are and where they're 'located' at, would probably not have even considered/bothered pursing this avenue.

Simbin didn't speak to any of the manufacturers in GTR or GT legends. They got an FIA GT license for the respective race classes, thoes licenses include all the cars in thoes classes. It gets pretty complicated but official race teams in an FIA governed race series are licensed to the FIA regardelss of what manufacturer they come from. To get thoes teams you need a license from the FIA. Thoes cars though are still covered by Ferrari's exclusive license but not the teams, so the Ferrari 360GTS is covered by a Ferrari license, the FedEx 360GTS is covered by the FIA's license (I don't think there is a FedEx 360 but thats just an example).