[FGTA][ENDURANCE][GT300]Season2-FINALE: OZWHEELS IS THE CHAMPION!Open 

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Just to inform a few, "My G27 Wheel will be here on Monday" Good DS3 driver moving up to the good stuff. :)
Just wait till I get used to it. :)
 
i think we should all accept that there is no way things can be exactly equal, different drivers at different tracks will never allow it to be equal. even if all had the same car some driving styles suit a particular car more than others and some drivers have a gift at particular tracks they feel at one with , and some just have a great feeling about a particular bend wheras others always seem to have a bit of a struggle at the same bend .
In reality i wouldnt like to see the regs change as i am sure they wont , and also i respect that everyone has their own opions on how things should be , but i do think we should all be aware that Karsten has put a huge amount of time and effort into trying to make this as smooth and fair and enjoyable as possible, with others he spent ages trying to make the cars as even as possible at different tracks. We must be sure we remember that friendly opinions are fine, but there is never any need to get nasty with each other, we should all try to remeber that its a game, and shpould be enjoyable .
 
I've been as respectful as possible and if you guys will relax for a few hours I will post my suggestion that puts cars within 4 tenths of each other. Currently the RX-7 is anywhere from 5 tenths to 1.2 seconds faster. That's not exactly equal. Car regs should be within 3 to 4 tenths on every track which is absolutely possible and I've reged cars to so that for multiple series when founders ask me too. Slower drivers is where hp penalties come in.
 
If you haven't read my post that starts with PLEASE READ THIS then look at that first.

First the cars:
Lexus- Very track dependent car. Suffers from high speed understeer but has the best mid-range power

WRX- This car surprised the hell out of me, it is the best all around car but takes a particular driving style and understanding of the car to be fast

BRZ- Great handling but suffers from a terrible top end. Can be tricky on power

RX-7- The most overall grip and carries the most speed through corners, I would compare it to the HSV

The tracks:

Fuji GT- I only tested it because we raced there and I wouldn't even bother with its results I got

Silverstone- Used it for a combination of speed and handling and with no surprise the lap times are the closet here because of the combination

Brands Hatch- This was the handling track I used since we're not going to Laguna Seca. The Lexus' understeer is very evident here

Daytona Road Course- The high speed test. BRZ definitely surprised me. I thought it would struggle but it makes up enough time in the infield to compensate for the oval

The Data:

Current Regs

Fuji GT (mph/kmh is at braking point on front straight)

RX-7 - 1:37.2 149mph/240kmh
WRX - 1:37.7 146mph/235kmh +0.5
Lexus - 1:37.8 146mph/235kmh +0.7
BRZ - 1:38.4 145mph/233kmh + 1.2

Silverstone (mph/kmh is at the white sign on back straight)

RX-7 - 2:03.8 137mph/220kmh
BRZ - 2:04.7 134mph/215kmh +0.9
WRX - 2:04.7 135 mph/217kmh +0.9
Lexus - 2:04.9 136mph/219kmh +1.1

Brands Hatch (mph/kmh at end of 3rd sector straight)

RX-7 - 1:24.6 131mph/211kmh
WRX - 1:25.1 129mph/208kmh +0.5
BRZ - 1:25.3 129mph/208kmh + 0.7
Lexus -1:25.5 131mph/211kmh +0.9

Daytona Road Course (mph/kmh at finish line)

RX-7 - 1:52.2 150mph/241kmh
Lexus - 1:53.0 146mph/235kmh +0.8
WRX - 1:53.2 146mph/235kmh +1.0
BRZ - 1:53.2 145mph/233kmh +1.0


RX-7 280hp (The reg check is 285hp & 489pp)

Fuji GT (mph/kmh is at braking point on front straight)

WRX - 1:37.7 146mph/235kmh
Lexus - 1:37.8 146mph/235kmh +0.1
RX-7 - 1:38.0 146mph/235kmh +0.3
BRZ - 1:38.4 145mph/233kmh +0.7

Silverstone (mph/kmh is at the white sign on back straight)

WRX - 2:04.7 135 mph/217kmh
BRZ - 2:04.7 134mph/215kmh +0.0
RX-7 - 2:04.8 134mph/215kmh +0.1
Lexus - 2:04.9 136mph/219kmh +0.2

Brands Hatch (mph/kmh at end of 3rd sector straight)

WRX - 1:25.1 129mph/208kmh
BRZ - 1:25.3 129mph/208kmh +0.2
RX-7 - 1:25.3 128mph/206kmh +0.2
Lexus -1:25.5 131mph/211kmh +0.4

Daytona Road Course (mph/kmh at finish line)

Lexus - 1:53.0 146mph/235kmh
WRX - 1:53.2 146mph/235kmh +0.2
BRZ - 1:53.2 145mph/233kmh +0.2
RX-7 - 1:53.3 147mph/236kmh +0.3

It's very clear the RX-7 has an advantage with our current regs. I feel very confident everyone will be happy with what I propose to lower the RX-7 by 15hp. With the lower hp all the cars have an even chance to win and the hp penalties will do what their meant to do and bring the field closer together as far as driving skill goes. If anyone has a complaint about the regs I propose or a question about the testing please say so and I will try to answer them.
 
Can I ask what time of day/settings you ran at Silverstone?

Compared to the times we have from last season all those those are least 1.5s+ faster than what GP/Skeg ran so that doesn't quite look right to me (Fastest lap we had was 2:05.7 in the Grayia) but I think that was a dirty lap.

They could be correct but still, thought I'd check.
 
priesty_lfc
Can I ask what time of day/settings you ran at Silverstone?

Compared to the times we have from last season all those those are least 1.5s+ faster than what GP/Skeg ran so that doesn't quite look right to me (Fastest lap we had was 2:05.7 in the Grayia) but I think that was a dirty lap.

They could be correct but still, thought I'd check.
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I believe the time is 17:00 and time change is on 1. It's whatever time is there when you load the track I just change the progression. Silverstone is one of my favorite tracks. I assure you there all legit times. If you'd like I can show you if you add me on PSN.
 
Harsk100
Banned from championship by just not seeing all drivers? It ain't my fault :/
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Do you feel it's fair to have someone's race end like mine? did you se you lag what made happen in the video?

gtpcaine
I appreciate I'm not running in this series, but as a co-founder of the FGTA I've been paying attention to the thread. I've just done some testing with the RX7 + BRZ at Silverstone, 10 laps in each car. Also, wasn't sure which BHP setting from OP was correct so ran both.

RX7

295 bhp : 2'04.9
300 bhp : 2'03.8

BRZ

315 bhp : 2'05.0
320 bhp : 2'04.0

Judging by rosckolove's times at Silverstone, I'm guessing the higher BHP value. Now about to head to Apricot Hill.
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Thanks gtpcaine.



Cars were tested season long; there were cars doing better here and there; for example the subaru impreza in gprili's hands at nur 24h is 15seconds faster than rx-7. What do you guys think? shall we change regs on track basis? :P

rosckolove
I used the lower Hp values, the ones we race with. 295hp/RX7 315hp/BRZ. The BRZ is significantly slower than the RX7. Include tire wear in to that and the problem gets worse. I raced Karsten earlier and I would get the run on him out of a corner (side by side) and couldn't make the pass stick because the BRZ has nothing on the straights. That's gonna promote more aggressive tactics in order to overtake. It's very unfortunate that we can only regulate HP by increments of ten. I haven't tested it with ten extra HP so maybe it would be to fast then, I don't know. You could probably regulate a smaller HP gain with a PP check, since tuning is prohibited. Also, if anyone wants to run practice races tonight I'll be on. I hate running laps by myself.
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You raced me in a LEXUS, not rx7. And while you had problems passing me on straights the brz was significantly faster in turn in and able to open throttle way sooner. Also lexus tires are gone by lap 6.

"promoting aggressive tactics in order to overtake" you say? It's endurance race!

rosckolove
I just checked what car your driving.... Figures. Your gonna leave if your car doesn't stay unbeatable?
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Are you gonna leave if you can't win all races? what is this attitude all the time?

ozwheels
I've been as respectful as possible and if you guys will relax for a few hours I will post my suggestion that puts cars within 4 tenths of each other. Currently the RX-7 is anywhere from 5 tenths to 1.2 seconds faster. That's not exactly equal. Car regs should be within 3 to 4 tenths on every track which is absolutely possible and I've reged cars to so that for multiple series when founders ask me too. Slower drivers is where hp penalties come in.
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Remember that we have success penalties and that a -10, 20 or even 30hps won't hit as hard on a 320hp car as it does on a 300hp car.

The 0.5 to 1.2 second figures is something just you and roscko have. Never had such gap in a whole season not even from first to 8th place in a single lap.

again rx7 is easy to run fast; takes less effort to do so. Is it 0,5-1.2 faster the other cars in all tracks? No way, maybe just in your hands. Skeng run a whole season against rx-7, so ask him if he was 1 second off in all tracks.

If rx7 will show dominance as you're sugesting by half season it will get slowed down; but i won't use skeng as the only parameter.
 
azidahaka
Do you feel it's fair to have someone's race end like mine? did you se you lag what made happen in the video?


Thanks gtpcaine.



Cars were tested season long; there were cars doing better here and there; for example the subaru impreza in gprili's hands at nur 24h is 15seconds faster than rx-7. What do you guys think? shall we change regs on track basis? :P



You raced me in a LEXUS, not rx7. And while you had problems passing me on straights the brz was significantly faster in turn in and able to open throttle way sooner. Also lexus tires are gone by lap 6.

"promoting aggressive tactics in order to overtake" you say? It's endurance race!


Are you gonna leave if you can't win all races? what is this attitude all the time?


Remember that we have success penalties and that a -10, 20 or even 30hps won't hit as hard on a 320hp car as it does on a 300hp car.

The 0.5 to 1.2 second figures is something just you and roscko have. Never had such gap in a whole season not even from first to 8th place in a single lap.

again rx7 is easy to run fast; takes less effort to do so. Is it 0,5-1.2 faster the other cars in all tracks? No way, maybe just in your hands. Skeng run a whole season against rx-7, so ask him if he was 1 second off in all tracks.

If rx7 will show dominance as you're sugesting by half season it will get slowed down; but i won't use skeng as the only parameter.
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You can't be serious after what I just posted. It's as simple and plain as I could make it. Did you even read my other post about Skeng and other people? The regs I suggested are even on every track. Hp penalties are NOT for cars there for drivers, that's a big difference. I just don't how else to put if all that data doesn't prove my point.
 
Karsten, I'm assuming you think my lap times are impossible to do and I made all of them up since you liked priesty's post saying that. This is why I created the post that says PLEASE READ THIS but I guess no one read it.
 
ozwheels
Karsten, I'm assuming you think my lap times are impossible to do and I made all of them up since you liked priesty's post saying that. This is why I created the post that says PLEASE READ THIS but I guess no one read it.
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I did read it and I didn't say I didn't believe you.

You said its one of your favourite tracks so I know you can gain extra speed from that as I'm certainly better at certain tracks.

I was just surprised how it compared to times from our race last season. As mentioned Fuji was not ran last year so all times were new to us and only comparable to what people ran there.

Brands was also ran last year (although it might have rained) so perhaps someone can compare your times to the race times from S1, I didn't race there so I don't have the replay.
 
priesty_lfc
I did read it and I didn't say I didn't believe you.

You said its one of your favourite tracks so I know you can gain extra speed from that as I'm certainly better at certain tracks.

I was just surprised how it compared to times from our race last season. As mentioned Fuji was not ran last year so all times were new to us and only comparable to what people ran there.

Brands was also ran last year (although it might have rained) so perhaps someone can compare your times to the race times from S1, I didn't race there so I don't have the replay.
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I'm assuming you tested some of my stuff and with what I showed that the rx-7 is faster by at least half a second to the next car on every track do you think the regs should be changed to what I tested in the second set of numbers?
 
I haven't tested no, I ran last season so I'm happy with the current regs and think the HP system will work anyway (regardless if you think that's against the driver and not the car)

Personally I don't see why your so against the current regs, you had 1 RX7 in front of you who imo was the fastest driver from S1 so would have expected him to be at the front in whatever he was driving.

If myself and the other RX7 drivers (no offence to them but Flanked is slightly faster than me imo) are suddenly fighting for 1st then yes there is something wrong as I know my ability and I'm not as fast as you guys regardless of what cars were in.

The faster drivers will be faster regardless so it doesn't bother me.

And yes I'm in the RX7 this year but I actually wanted the BRZ but decided against it due to tyre wear so I agree with that comment.

As others have mentioned it's far too early to be talking about changing regs and again like Skeg unless it's absolutely wrong and proving so in race changing mid series is something I would be against as at present I just don't feel it's justified.
 
priesty_lfc
I haven't tested no, I ran last season so I'm happy with the current regs and think the HP system will work anyway (regardless if you think that's against the driver and not the car)

Personally I don't see why your so against the current regs, you had 1 RX7 in front of you who imo was the fastest driver from S1 so would have expected him to be at the front in whatever he was driving.

If myself and the other RX7 drivers (no offence to them but Flanked is slightly faster than me imo) are suddenly fighting for 1st then yes there is something wrong as I know my ability and I'm not as fast as you guys regardless of what cars were in.

The faster drivers will be faster regardless so it doesn't bother me.

And yes I'm in the RX7 this year but I actually wanted the BRZ but decided against it due to tyre wear so I agree with that comment.

As others have mentioned it's far too early to be talking about changing regs and again like Skeg unless it's absolutely wrong and proving so in race changing mid series is something I would be against as at present I just don't feel it's justified.
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The rx-7 has a huge top speed advantage and is the fastest by a second over the slower car on every track, that's why I'm against the regs. This has nothing to do with Skeng or anyone else driving the RX-7 it's purely the car. It's the point of making every car having the same opportunity to win and as of now that's not how it is. RX-7 drivers have loads of room for error and can still do well.

I'm very interested in what Skeng has to say.
 
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It also has a disadvantage off the line and at lower speeds and out if slow corners.

Every car does have the chance to win as proven by S1 so I can't see that argument as I'm pretty sure the RX7/IS350 and BRZ all won.

And that big a time difference only seems to be in your hands.
 
I agree with what priesty is saying, every car has a chance of winning.

Oz your the only one who seems to be able to get a second faster than all the other cars. The only thing your regs will do is give you and your team a massive advantage, which is what your aiming for I suppose.
 
priesty_lfc
It also has a disadvantage off the line and at lower speeds and out if slow corners.

Every car does have the chance to win as proven by S1 so I can't see that argument as I'm pretty sure the RX7/IS350 and BRZ all won.

And that big a time difference only seems to be in your hands.
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If you know how to drive an rx-7 you will know it has zero disadvantages coming out of corners. Just because a car has low torque doesn't mean it's slow out of corners. Off line in a 50 lap race doesn't really matter. I don't think the fastest person from season one had the rx-7 either . And now the fastest person from season one has the fastest car.
 
BAZZER
I agree with what priesty is saying, every car has a chance of winning.

Oz your the only one who seems to be able to get a second faster than all the other cars. The only thing your regs will do is give you and your team a massive advantage, which is what your aiming for I suppose.
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Wow
 
BAZZER
Wow indeed, wow that you can't see what we are saying. If nobody from last season can get near this 1 second, then how is it benefiting anyone?
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So Skeng saying he did a 37.6 at Fuji and if did a 38.4. I could be wrong but in petty sure that's 8 tenths.
 
again comparing fuji? it's the longest low to top speed straight in the serie. a 100% rx7 friendly race.

also 0.8, not 1.2seconds. But if you are sure you're faster then him it would be more than 0.8; instead if you are slower it could be less. Have you asked him if he had draft?

is this discussion bringing anywhere? didn't i already say that it'll be looked into after some races results will come in? Are we going to keep on like this for much longer?

I see no merit in going on. I just think you feel you are so way incredibly faster than ALL others and expected more. Blame me for poor balancement in cars, ok with it. I said we may fix it in a few races if it ACTUALLY PROVES SO.
 
Your same test says all the other cars are atleast .6 quicker than the BRZ at Fuji, it's obviously not a track for the BRZ.
 
It's the RX7 drivers defending the car, with points that make no sense whatsoever, it's actually quite baffling to read haha. It's to fast end of story. And Karsten, I know you were in the Lexus. I was faster through the corners because I had been practicing all day hoping to gain an advantage on the RX7. I would get a run on you out of the corner and my BRZ couldn't make it stick. Same thing happened on the beginning of lap 21 at Fuji. Oz got a huge run on skeng and couldn't make it stick. That means the only way we can pass is to late brake into corners. The power penalties are going to hide the dominance of the RX7 in the "next few races" so everyone is going to think the cars are equal. When in truth they are not. However Karsten it is your series and I respect your decision. I'll see you guys on track.
 
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Hey guys i will not comment yet as i want to do some testing like oz did .

Valid points on both sides and all this discussion should make for some good regs for season 3.

Its probably a good thing we didnt bring in too many new cars or else it would of been a bigger headache.


One thing I will say is the rx7 is 1100 kg while brz and lexus 1150 kg , this is what makes most of the top speed difference.

GP is just as good a driver as I am id say so it is interesting that he wasnt as dominant in the rx7 without the power penalties as you would think from ozs test results.

There is a lot to look at , give me some time ill get back to you OZ
 
SkengD
Hey guys i will not comment yet as i want to do some testing like oz did .

Valid points on both sides and all this discussion should make for some good regs for season 3.

Its probably a good thing we didnt bring in too many new cars or else it would of been a bigger headache.


One thing I will say is the rx7 is 1100 kg while brz and lexus 1150 kg , this is what makes most of the top speed difference.

GP is just as good a driver as I am id say so it is interesting that he wasnt as dominant in the rx7 without the power penalties as you would think from ozs test results.

There is a lot to look at , give me some time ill get back to you OZ
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I'm glad that you are testing them SkengD. I think that the others need to back off on Oz. He's a good person, great driver and he knows what he's talking about. So does SkengD. :)
 
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azidahaka
again comparing fuji? it's the longest low to top speed straight in the serie. a 100% rx7 friendly race.

also 0.8, not 1.2seconds. But if you are sure you're faster then him it would be more than 0.8; instead if you are slower it could be less. Have you asked him if he had draft?

is this discussion bringing anywhere? didn't i already say that it'll be looked into after some races results will come in? Are we going to keep on like this for much longer?

I see no merit in going on. I just think you feel you are so way incredibly faster than ALL others and expected more. Blame me for poor balancement in cars, ok with it. I said we may fix it in a few races if it ACTUALLY PROVES SO.
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I just want to be clear, your saying its ok for the rx-7 to be that much faster?
SkengD
Hey guys i will not comment yet as i want to do some testing like oz did .

Valid points on both sides and all this discussion should make for some good regs for season 3.

Its probably a good thing we didnt bring in too many new cars or else it would of been a bigger headache.


One thing I will say is the rx7 is 1100 kg while brz and lexus 1150 kg , this is what makes most of the top speed difference.

GP is just as good a driver as I am id say so it is interesting that he wasnt as dominant in the rx7 without the power penalties as you would think from ozs test results.

There is a lot to look at , give me some time ill get back to you OZ
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I'm glad your testing also but we both know where this is going and you know just as will as I do there's a difference between a good driver and a great driver.
 
This discussion needs to be stopped tbh, Karsten said let's see what happens after a few races. Nothing else to discuss regs wise.
 

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