[FGTA][GT300][ENDURANCE]xChris is the Champion!Finished

[GT_Vette]

I probably should keep my mouth shut, now that I'm new here in the series, but I am curious when I see you mention me as a reason to stop your race yesterday and I have no desire to be a reason to anyone not want to race anymore , then it would be better that I stop instead , because like u wrote , then i joined halfway in the season .....

I need too ask you this Agro , because iam confused .... I understand you correctly when I say that it seems that you write that the most important thing for you is to win a race , rather than to win the championship ?

Why I decided to quit, has nothing to do with you. Your just an example of how the penalty system is flawed. If you had started at the beginning of the season I'm sure you would be at a heavy weight just like me or chris. But since newcomers are automatically set to 1230 kg, no matter of skill, you came in with a huge advantage.

Again it's not your fault, and I would hate to see someone go for such a reason.

 

[Pedroeol]

To be honest I understand Agro and together with some other reasons made me lose the enthusiasm I had in the beginning, I stopped enjoying the races and it explains why I missed last races, which is a shame as I quite enjoyed the first races until Daytona. I started the championship with pretty much the heaviest car on track (except for R1) and then rules changed in the middle of the season to even more weight, the first races weren't easy, being heavy and fighting with much lighter cars is a hard thing to do.

 

[Stephen Vann]

It was a bad call; with the weather we had you could have finished 4th or 5th easily.

I agree, Agro i think it must be hard for you to have to run midfield, and in all fairness both you and Pedro seem to have lost enthusiasm, and Sken struggles also.
The odd thing is that Chris seems to still manage to win, and i really am baffled by it.

It is worth mentioninhg here that we had the chance to bring in the new weights to keep the series fair,
i am quite happy to reduce the top weights again, in the sake of fairness also if it means the series is better for iot.

You cannot blame Srt for running a lighter car and doing so well, it was always an idea that latecomers to the series would have a help in catching up others by running lighter until they move up in the points.
The idea of this is that series often loose drivers, and having newcomers come in with no chance in the championship is not great, so the fact they can come into the series late and still catch up on points is a good thing.

But it is bad guys that you both are not willing to drive round and get some points, rather than quitting the races or not bothering to race at all.

If you look at all the rest of us we race each week to hope for a 5th or a 6th position, we kknow we have no chance of winning, yet you guys feel that you cant do that for 4 weeks while the heavier handicap syatem is in place, its a shame.

There is no exact method to handicap drivers that works fairly and it was clearly flawed when you elite guys took the top 4 spots in each of the first 7 races, yet there were no complaints then.
So to try and give all the other guys a shot at winning, which you must see as fair, we had a 4 race weight adjustment.

And now you cant win so you wont bother racing or will just park up.

Well i am dissapointed at you guys, the rest of us scramble each week and as we are not as skilled as you, we are pleased to get a 4th or 5th place, and to see you guys not bother because you are having to come 6th or 7th is not good thing.

 

[azidahaka]

Thing is all is aggravated because you top 4 guys are not on track together at the same time lately, so not fighting directly. In any case i think logic said that the new weights would be tested for 4 rounds before being reviewed; isn't this the last one?

Lastly i'm a bit sad to see you guys quitting, skipping or parking because you have to fight in the group or with slower drivers. I was against the extra weight that was added but i think it's unrespectful torward the slow and average guys that run all season in mid or back hoping to live some battles with others or you top guys...

It's like saying you don't want to meddle with "garbage" at the back of the grid. Racing and motorsport is made of faster and slower drivers and only one wins in the end. If only winners stick to it the sport shuts down

Being lapped 2 or 3 times in a 100% rain race isa worse feeling believe me guys

We'll see what logic and skeng will choose for weight, but the idea that the faster guys quit because they can't "always" win is a bit saddening for all those on grid that never did

 

[Stephen Vann]

Since I got disconnected while I was managing an encouraging 8th place, I decided to watch the race.
I hope it's allowed since it poping up on everybody's screen. If not let me know.
Lap 13 logic defending first place against Chris and MrRacingline: a joy to watch
Lap 17 Chris vs Vic for second
Lap 18 rain pourcentage climbing
Lap 20 carnage... with 20%, the track seems very slippery and everyone goes out or pretty much.
Who will put I'm first???
Kossu is at 40% and lap 21
Pubes puts full wet at 70% and lap 23 where Chris, leader, puts racing soft again and comes out second right behind MRracingline!
There must be a glitch as it is 100% wet with 30 minutes to go and only two drivers are in Wet tires!!!

Regardless of the tires, top 3 Chris, MrRacingline and logic are gliding, floating on the track
20 minutes to go Logic is slowly but surely catching up mRracingline, will there be enough time? Nope! Bi mistake by logic who has the front wheels damaged and has to stop - what pity
15 minutes to go, rain stopped all the sudden and track all dried.
After the last pit where Mrracingline put a little too much gas, Logic is right on his tail, less than 10 minutes to go. Steady driving from MrRaingline and small mistake for logic but logic keeps coming back .
Too nice, Logic let's snakes go by when in fact he's one lap behind... And clearly in the way to catch MrRacingline.

Cedbel, yes its fine to watch and again, great that you did, just a great shame that you and others had dcs.

 

[TazRacing]

Well I must say that I’m quiet disappointed in Pedro & Agro, you guys are part of the fastest drivers between us, and because you cannot win you just quiet. Most of us do never win or get on the podium.

Yesterday with the rain, you guys would be able to manage is very easily as we struggled.

I do not understand, you guys are at the top of the leaderboard, so there is not much to lose, even if you finish somewhere in the middle. I also would not understand how fun it is, if you would lead the race with no challenge for yourself and leading by several laps…

 

[Pedroeol]

I didn't quit just because I can't win, I'm not like that, like I said in my previous post, being handicapped heavily by weight and together with some other reasons explains why I stopped in Tokyo and didn't participate in Suzuka. I really don't wanna go too much in details.

Anyway I understand your guys opinions and point of views and I understand the reason of the new weight penalty, I just don't think it should have been done in the middle of it.

Also one idea to kinda balance things out is bhp removal as it seems Chris is still doing pretty good and it must be related to setup things, to be honest I don't know how he does it ^^

 

[azidahaka]

Always thought that to balance out things nothing beats no tuning and hp penalties, but that is another story

 

[Stephen Vann]

Things to address for all drivers and stewards.

1 " WEIGHTS "

We changed the weight of the top 4 in the standings from
1st.................................car weight 1300 kg
2nd...............................car weight 1290 kg
3rd...............................car weight 1280 kg
4th..............................car weight 1270 kg
To
1st.................................car weight 1350 kg
2nd...............................car weight 1345 kg
3rd...............................car weight 1340 kg
4th..............................car weight 1335 kg
We did say we would review it after Grand Valley race next Monday,
however we have drivers who are unhappy with the extra weight, and to try to make everyone happy i am suggesting an amendment to take effect now until the end of the season.........
To
1st.................................car weight 1340 kg
2nd...............................car weight 1330 kg
3rd...............................car weight 1320 kg
4th..............................car weight 1300 kg
I would appreciate anyone posting their opinion.



2 " BAD VIBES "
After the race at Suzuka, we had a few bad vibes in the room.
Without putting blame on anyone, as i did not see all the messages that were posted,
but we have to remember that messaging by text does not always get the whole meaning across, and can be taken the wrong way by others.
I have to say i was very upset that nasty names were called, and also bad feelings were caused because of this.
At the end of the day we dont all have to be best mates, we are here only to race each other, and there should never ever be a reason to say anything to another driver that would in any way upset, or cause any bad feelings or provoke another driver.
I did see there was a bit of provocation from certain people in response from provocation from others, and then some nasty names.

I really dont know what to do about this, other than to beg you guys to pm each other and apologise.
I really spend so much time trying to make this series as enjoyable as possible for everyone, and this sort of things has no place here.

The guys involved know who i am talking about, and even if you think you are right, over our virtual world this can never be sorted out fully, but by a pm and apologising to each other in a sincere manner will i hope calm things down,

If we can keep it so, you have a duty to either say nice things or say nothing at all in future please.

I would like to think that sometime today the guys involved will pm each other and hopefully resolve the bad feeling with something nice.



3 " Weather "
The weather last night was just as i had dreamed it.
I cant tell you guys how long i tested the weather at different settings with all sorts of variations.
Each setting i would let run for 90 minutes and take notes on the weather changes.
I think in total i ran 30 full 90 minute sessions over the last 3 weeks to try and give the feel of real weather changes.
There is always randomness there, but to get away from the 100% wet we got to last night was great.
Even after all the weather testing i did i never had the rain start again so soon after the start, really bad for me as i had just put on fresh slicks when a lap later the track wetness started to climb.
I have other settings also that have been run and also have weather changes, however they may make the track dry very quickly after the rain stops, but still, it creates a bit of drama in our weather races.

4 " Future series "

I am now looking at running the Honda Raybrig HSV 010 for the next series at default settings.

The idea is to have easy to drive cars to hopefully stop crashes and make the racing closer.

It will be run in the same format as this series but all default setting only.
Any tyres can be used
Adjustable brake bias
Abs allowed
Chassis strengthening allowed.

The car fits all the criteria that i think we need for most in our series.
It is most importantly very easy to drive at default settings.
Its is very well balanced.
It sounds great.
It can be painted and numbered.
Even in full wet conditions it behaves well and is predictable.

Several if us have had many little 30 minute races with drivers and they always end up very close even after no training.

The only penalties would be bhp adjustments from Base / 8th place in the standings -
8th place would always run at 470 bhp
for every championship point above 8th you would deduct the same amount bhp from 470bhp
for every championship point below 8th you would add the same amount of bhp top 470bhp

I have run so many many cars to find a car that fits the job.

I did try the vision, but not all were happy to run a concept car so there was not enough interest.

This is in the draft phase at the moment, and i am trying to run 90 minute races on Friday nights at our normal race time , and at the tracks we will be at on the following Monday.

If you have an interest please post me.

 

[azidahaka]

Concerning point 2

Hiding the issue, and avoiding pointing the finger to where the fault lies will not bring anything good, and it was done season long.

My 2cents.

 

[Stephen Vann]

Concerning point 2

Hiding the issue, and avoiding pointing the finger to where the fault lies will not bring anything good, and it was done season long.

My 2cents.

Well its a hard thing to resolve in a virtual world.
What do you suggest - pointing the finger may only make it worse and create more bad vibes.

In fairness, none of it is aimed at me, so its easy for me to say this, but i just cant see a way to resolve it where everyone is satisfied and happy.

We dont want to loose drivers over silly things, may i ask what you suggest we do ?

 

[SkengD]

First of all I thank everyone for taking part and accepting the mid season weight changes .

Everyone in the top 4 has been nice enough to give it a try but as you can see it has kinda taken the fun out of the series for us .

We understand that we want to give everyone a chance to have fun and enjoy front running but the penalties are just too extreme .

I suggest that we go back to the original penalties .

I like your idea for the new season Logic , I suggest we run a 4 week pre season with the rules for the season to make sure we sort out as many issues as possible.

 

[Stephen Vann]

Yes for sure, i am happy to go back to original weights or the inbetween weights.
With Chris still active, its hard to win anyway, lol so as soon as people post whats best then we can change it.

Also new series, it would be nice to have a few Friday night races rather than preseason, as everyone got fed up not racing for real in the 3 week preseason for this series, i thought we could set up some races that q2uite a few could join before the season ends, so we are ready to go on the 1st Monday afterwards.

 

[TazRacing]

With all respect, just hand them over then the victory!! So you do not win a race or are not in the podium, you start to wine, and we change again the rules.

So that means, as I never win I need to cry that I’m not on the podium, this is just ridiculous.

I can tell now already that none of us can keep up with the top 3, and all of us know that or they do not admit it… so what is the fun knowing if you participate that it will be impossible to get on the podium!!

if i need to vote, that is my choice;

1st.................................car weight 1340 kg
2nd...............................car weight 1330 kg
3rd...............................car weight 1320 kg
4th..............................car weight 1300 kg

 

[Stephen Vann]

With all respect, just hand them over then the victory!! So you do not win a race or are not in the podium, you start to wine, and we change again the rules.

So that means, as I never win I need to cry that I’m not on the podium, this is just ridiculous.

I can tell now already that none of us can keep up with the top 3, and all of us know that or they do not admit it… so what is the fun knowing if you participate that it will be impossible to get on the podium!!

if i need to vote, that is my choice;

1st.................................car weight 1340 kg
2nd...............................car weight 1330 kg
3rd...............................car weight 1320 kg
4th..............................car weight 1300 kg

I agree Snake, i know we dont like to make it hard for them, but the top four places are out of the question if we revert back.

 

[azidahaka]

With all respect, just hand them over then the victory!! So you do not win a race or are not in the podium, you start to wine, and we change again the rules.

So that means, as I never win I need to cry that I’m not on the podium, this is just ridiculous.

I can tell now already that none of us can keep up with the top 3, and all of us know that or they do not admit it… so what is the fun knowing if you participate that it will be impossible to get on the podium!!

if i need to vote, that is my choice;

1st.................................car weight 1340 kg
2nd...............................car weight 1330 kg
3rd...............................car weight 1320 kg
4th..............................car weight 1300 kg

It's the reason i hoped for 32 signups... Getting 2 rooms so that we would get more chances for all to "race for something". Not enough people and deemed to hard to do (both true issues lol).

 

[RodeRuner1967]

I'm very disappointed in the way a few are acting because they can't win all the time. I play this game with and without being handicaped. I very rarely see a podium. I had my PS3 die on me in the middle of the best race I've had all season. I went out and got another PS3 and GT6 just so I can race, handicap or not. I wish I was as fast as you top guys, but I do understand the reason behind slowing you all down and that's to make races competitive and not boring.

To Pedro, if you're quiting because of our crash at Tokyo, that's nonsense. I had half a car length ahead of you. You should have never tried to pass in a bad section of track and you should have backed off a bit. You would have never hit that part of the wall if you had.

 

[SkengD]

I think the rules would of been fine if that is how we started the season but remember the weight rules changed mid season.

If we started off at that super heavy weight things would have balanced out over the season.

Like Agro says it creates issues for example Racing Line , the base weight never changed so a newcomer can come in and be 100 kg less than a top 4 guy.

I know it is hard to please everyone and I know we seem like sore losers for quitting or not racing but remember we are all here for a good experience , once the fun comes out of a game you dont want to play anymore.

I am okay with the friday test races logic.

 

[Stephen Vann]

Good, thanks Sken.

 

[SkengD]

The most important thing is that we all are friendly and respectful with each other , I know things can get nasty on track sometimes but we should be mature enough to speak and talk about it without becoming enemies .

If we all work together we can make the next series twice as good as this one .

I hope we do not lose any drivers .

 

[Pedroeol]

I'm very disappointed in the way a few are acting because they can't win all the time. I play this game with and without being handicaped. I very rarely see a podium. I had my PS3 die on me in the middle of the best race I've had all season. I went out and got another PS3 and GT6 just so I can race, handicap or not. I wish I was as fast as you top guys, but I do understand the reason behind slowing you all down and that's to make races competitive and not boring.

To Pedro, if you're quiting because of our crash at Tokyo, that's nonsense. I had half a car length ahead of you. You should have never tried to pass in a bad section of track and you should have backed off a bit. You would have never hit that part of the wall if you had.

No, not really, even before this race I wasn't too excited about it for other reasons. And again I don't really want to go there, you have your opinion and I have mine, just hope you remember what happened to you before the "crash", I'd never try to overtake there in normal conditions. Anyway no hard feelings Tyson

 

[xChris93_]

I've got to say that I'm pretty gutted you guys have stopped racing, at the start of the season the races were always close and great fun. The conditions yesterday meant that anybody could've won the race if you guys had raced. I made a few major mistakes which would've normally ruined my race.

During this championship I was able to win races early on but I wasn't happy with my one lap pace tbh. Daytona was a big turning point for me and I realised that I had made a big mistake setup wise and corrected it. Once I made that change then I was able to achieve a pace that I was happy with and was able to outpace Agro in the dry for once. I've also just seemed to have had a bit of good luck and form recently.

I obviously don't want you guys to leave the championship, you are part of the reason why I enjoy this challenge so much and its been a pleasure to race against @Pedroeol, @GT_Vette and @SkengD. Yeah I agree the penalty system has been harsh and affected the balance/tyre wear performance of the car pretty badly. I don't even think my setup is pretty strong tbh lol I found it from a reliable source on gtp before race 1 and have been using it ever since, with just a few changes.

If you want me to share my setup though then I'm happy to do so to keep you guys in the championship but it would cheapen it slightly. I would only provide it on the condition that it's available to everyone on the forum so that everybody has access to it. But once I do give it out, I think the penalty system will only make it worse for us lol. You guys decide what u want to do.

I do agree though that GV and SRT should have a higher weight than they do atm, but my major aim was to alway try my best to beat you guys every race and not necessarily get the win. SRT should've won the race at Tokyo but was unlucky with DC, I think his recent form has proved that he should have an elite ballast rating. He would've won Tokyo with 50+ secs to spare, which is a bit much.

 

[xChris93_]

I've never really been a great tuner but I've been lucky to know people who would help me out, or a quick google search would provide. I prefer to drive stock cars, all equal, then it's a pure judge of who's the best driver.

We still have plenty of races left and we've had a great championship so far. Leaving now just cheapens the hard work that's been put into this series, and tbh in all the series that I have raced in so far; this is by far the most organised and best community feel. It's a pleasure to be a part of and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. It's made Monday nights much more enjoyable

I'm just sick and tired of the moaning and petty fights some people have all the time, best place to do your talking is on the track. For instance yesterday I tried to make a point of my own in response to something

I've had to fight back after a harsh penalty and missing a race because of uni which kinda inspired me to try harder and now I have won 5 races in a row. I think red bull ring and Silverstone proved that my wins haven't been due to setup of suspension/transmission/lsd/aero (that's a pretty good clue as to what works lol); I've felt that I've had to overdrive the car through the corners tbh and my wear as a result hasn't been as good as others. So I challenge any of you who say that my wins are based on setup to race me in a stock car, and we'll see what happens

 

[RodeRuner1967]

No, not really, even before this race I wasn't too excited about it for other reasons. And again I don't really want to go there, you have your opinion and I have mine, just hope you remember what happened to you before the "crash", I'd never try to overtake there in normal conditions. Anyway no hard feelings Tyson

Never hard feeling towards you ever. I was enjoying the battle and I should have gone a bit wider. Really hope you stay.

 

[kossu]

I do not want that no one leaves off. And im vote back to old weights.
And next series we need all drivers testing And the fact that everyone is satisfied. Yesterday me and logic and gueven test HSV-010 same bhp no one got away. But bhp change me 476 log 470 and gueven 474 me and gueven faster than log but never Still does not escape.
And sorry guys I parked in Suzuka.

 

[kossu]

yes all drive default settings and same bhp and we watch who is faster

 

[kossu]

One of the proposal with the following works for the same when the two categories of LeMans cars. Example GT500 and GT 3 or GT300 and GT500 or lm and the LMP1 cars.
Each team has two drivers the second one, and the second series.

 

[Gavin Vickers]

 

[Gavin Vickers]

 

[Gavin Vickers]

All I can say is that the Toyota championship I'm doing on a Tuesday all in same cars no tuning different Toyota each race last week was rally car corolla S'S tyres it was fire and ice this week LMP TS030 hybrid around Sarah La man's all races are 60 minutes full damage 13 in the race every week next Tuesday is the Vision FT-1 RACE last night I had 3rd last week 5th so I think that this is a great way ove keeping people happy cause some people are good at one car I'm better in faster cars like LMP?