FIA GT 2010 Championship

freshseth83
I beg to differ with the above comment. I think there is no way you could take the cars competing in the other classes and put them up against these GT1 cars. They wouldn't cut it, no matter how much HP you gave them. The GT1 cars were made for this class, designed as such. The other classes are different. The MC12 would make mince meat if the GT2 cars came up a class, even with added HP. There at least 5 seconds a lap slower. Even if you gave them the HP bump and weight equal to the GT1 class, I doubt they'd be on par.
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Actually these new GT1 cars are only about 1-1.5s faster around a track than a GT2. A GT3 is in turn roughly 1-1.5s slower than a GT2. All the GT classes are however labeled as "sportscars", mainly because they only have two doors (and because the FIA and ACO says so :dopey:). Touringcars have four doors in their classes (DTM, Aussie V8, WTCC). GT does stand for Grand Touring, but herein is also the difference. The G tells them apart.
And for what its worth - a DTM touringcar is way quicker than a GT1 car. Mainly because they are 200kg lighter, and produce a lot more downforce. Wich just shows how little the DTm cars have in common with their roadgoing siblings. I wouldn´t say that a Ford GT is in the same league as an Audi A4 though...

Great race it was indeed! Grosjean was fantastic, but I have mention Zuber aswell. Epic race it was anyway.
 
only 1.5 seconds? Really? So 600HP vs 485 HP is only that much of a difference? If anything it's the ballast weight that the cars have this year that makes them any slower. And to be frank I don't think going by the first race is anything to get a view of the difference in speed. Did GT2 even race at Abu Dhabi?
 
freshseth83
only 1.5 seconds? Really? So 600HP vs 485 HP is only that much of a difference? If anything it's the ballast weight that the cars have this year that makes them any slower. And to be frank I don't think going by the first race is anything to get a view of the difference in speed. Did GT2 even race at Abu Dhabi?
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No, but the Matech Ford and some GT-R raced a few races last season, and that was the difference then. I wouldn´t be surprised if some GT2´s are actually faster than the slower GT1 cars. Most of the difference in the old cars is the downforce. I don´t have any numbers on the new cars, but the old ones produced some 700kg of DF at 250kph, whereas a GT2 car had around 250kg at 150kph. My guess is that the new cars produce about as much DF as the GT2´s.
Power doesn´t mean that much. The GT3 cars have between 550 and 600+ bhp, and they´re slower than GT2. A DTM car has roughly 480 bhp, but is substantially quicker than a GT1 car. Even the fastest GTracers on earth, the GT500 from SuperGT have less bhp than a GT1. The SGT cars run around 500bhp, but thanks to their trickt out aeropacks, they put down LMP2 times on a circuit.
 
I saw this on Eurosport or Sky Sports HD the other night and loved it! I had forgotten how good GT racing is since the days of having to get up at 7am on a sunday to see highlights on Channel 4!
Thrilling race, especially the last lap where the guy in 5th maybe went horrendously wide and somehow managed to stay in the same position!
 
freshseth83
I beg to differ with the above comment. I think there is no way you could take the cars competing in the other classes and put them up against these GT1 cars. They wouldn't cut it, no matter how much HP you gave them. The GT1 cars were made for this class, designed as such. The other classes are different. The MC12 would make mince meat if the GT2 cars came up a class, even with added HP. There at least 5 seconds a lap slower. Even if you gave them the HP bump and weight equal to the GT1 class, I doubt they'd be on par.
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We are not talking about racing on a track, we are talking about categorising the cars - which seeing as that they both feature many similarities I think its safe to say they are the same class of motorsport.
Of course GT are generally (but not always) faster than your average Touring car. So are Formula 1 cars faster than Formula 2 or Formula 3 - this does not mean they are an entirely different class of vehicle though which was the point we were discussing referring to the thread tag.
Like I said, "tin tops" are largely the same family of motorsport, all featuring 4 wheels, a roof and a chassis based on a road car.

I never said anything about racing them on the same track or anything - please don't put words in my mouth.
 
what are you talking about? I'm stating the GT1 FIA cars are faster than the GT2 cars of the same series. It was proved last year and if there were GT2 cars this year they wouldn't be as fast. I'm not comparing GT1 cars with other racing series. The reason the Super GT cars are the fastest is because of the aerodynamics and the weight of their cars. GT1 cars weigh a lot more and are taller than Super GT series cars. Even with the higher HP #'s the weight of the cars hinder them around turns. Top speed difference is the main thing. I don't appreciate when people assume that I was talking about other racing series. This is a thread about FIA GT. GT1 is the fastest FIA GT class. These cars could be even faster than any GT series around the world if the regulations permitted such. With the vehicle weights compared to other series these cars are hindered as such. But even so, put them on a long-sweeping track and they'd be faster than most other GT cars, no matter the series. Like LeMans where top speed and acceleration are the biggest factors. Super GT cars wouldn't lap nearly as fast as GT1 cars.
 
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I don't get it, who are you discussing with, I assumed you were referring to me before with your "I beg to differ with the above comment" but I don't see what I said or anyone else said has anything to do with GT2 racing at all or whatever. It was merely a slightly off topic discussion that resulted from the tag of the thread, it was not a comment comparing race series for speed or anything.
 
Mt. Lynx
No, but the Matech Ford and some GT-R raced a few races last season, and that was the difference then. I wouldn´t be surprised if some GT2´s are actually faster than the slower GT1 cars. Most of the difference in the old cars is the downforce. I don´t have any numbers on the new cars, but the old ones produced some 700kg of DF at 250kph, whereas a GT2 car had around 250kg at 150kph. My guess is that the new cars produce about as much DF as the GT2´s.
Power doesn´t mean that much. The GT3 cars have between 550 and 600+ bhp, and they´re slower than GT2. A DTM car has roughly 480 bhp, but is substantially quicker than a GT1 car. Even the fastest GTracers on earth, the GT500 from SuperGT have less bhp than a GT1. The SGT cars run around 500bhp, but thanks to their trickt out aeropacks, they put down LMP2 times on a circuit.
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The GT3 cars have a lot of power, the new Mustang GT3 is suposedly producing 560HP but their weight is high. 2900lbs. Compare that to GT2 cars like in ALMS where they produce maybe 500HP their weight is around 2500-2600lbs. The power to weight ratio favors GT2 cars. And hell, GT3 cars like the Ferrari F430 Scuderia weighs 2700 lbs and has about 500HP. The GT3 R8 LMS weighs 2750lbs and has over 500HP. The Lamborghini Gallardo has 535HP and weighs 2724lbs. The Alpina B6/BMW has 535HP and weighs 2970lbs. but has loads of torque.

All the while the GT1 cars according to the 2010 regulations are limited to 600HP and weigh 2750lbs. So you see the regulations allow for less disparity between the classes. But that's because of the new regulations to help teams have closer racing. Last year the cars weren't as hindered in weight. Spa last year in the 24hour FIA GT race, the GTR was running 2010 regulations on their cars. They were slower than some of the GT2 cars. Their fastest lap was way off the pace of the GT1 cars of that year.
 
Ardius
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I don't get it, who are you discussing with, I assumed you were referring to me before with your "I beg to differ with the above comment" but I don't see what I said or anyone else said has anything to do with GT2 racing at all or whatever. It was merely a slightly off topic discussion that resulted from the tag of the thread, it was not a comment comparing race series for speed or anything.
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I misread your post. I agree they share the common street car base, ad the regulations differ for them. But DTM and Super GT are extremes. DTM just look a bit like the street cars but are much different and weigh much much less. Same with Super GT. The only thing i was saying was the fact that FIA GT cars used to have greater disparity between them. But now the regulations have slowed down the GT1 cars and their performance isn't much greater than even GT3.
 
Regardless, for the purposes of generalising you can say Sports Cars and Touring cars are sub-categories of an overall category of racing. But whatever, its irrelevant now as Dan has given us a "Sports cars" tag anyway.
And I was less referring to DTM and SuperGT and more referring to BTCC, WTCC, etc. Which other than regulations and speed, etc, have aesthetically a bit more in common.
 
of course, and i thought you meant something different. That's why i stated what i said. But really there was a disparity between the FIA GT classes before this year that was greater than it is now. The vehicle weights for GT1 have been increased.
 
These new GT1 machines have a lot more in common with GT3 than GT2 now. Basically the only area the 2010 GT1 cars are slightly more advanced is in the aerodepartement, and that they allow carbon brakes. The Ford GT´s that raced in GT1 last season were based on the GT3 cars. This years cars don´t share a single component with last years though. But they´re still less advanced in the chassis than the GT2 cars. What I´m trying to say is that the new rules were mainly made to make the cars cheaper, so that privateers could afford a World Championship.
 
Word has it the Nissan teams are threatening to boycott the Silverstone round of the championship.
Autosport.com
The two Nissan teams competing in the new FIA GT1 World Championship have threatened to boycott the next round and to launch a protest unless the weight penalty heaped on the GT-R ahead of the Abu Dhabi series opener is removed, this week's AUTOSPORT magazine reveals.
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I don't blame Nissan, success ballast is a stupidly stupid idea.
 
Paulie
I don't blame Nissan, success ballast is a stupidly stupid idea.
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I agree completely. Racing is about finding out who's the fastest or who has the best endurance, not about leveling the playing field.

Putting success ballast on a car is the same as making Usain Bolt wear lead running shoes in the Olympic 100 Metres final just because he's the world Record holder.
 
Leonidae@MFT
It seems that it's early 90's again.. :lol:
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They've been putting success ballast in FIA GT cars for years, I was able to watch some of the series last year, and every round a car would win a race, they'd be at the back of the pack next round completely hindered by their ballast.
 
Now we have the WTCC scrapping the idea of success ballast this year. And the racing is pretty good based on the first two races.
 
While I do believe that successballast should be dropped, I have to point out that last year, the winners in both GT1 and GT2 had maximum ballast, and still won races. Much of the cars performance does seem to derive from its driver and the rest from its teams skills.

But anyway, I think balance of performance is pretty OK, but the successballast should be taken away. I´d rather see a reverse gridformation actually.

In the case of Nissan though, it was the BoP that was sort of sloppy, so I think they are entitled to their protest.
 
The Ford GT had no ballast. Unless there was ballast added from the qualifying race. Even so, the success ballast is nothing compared to the hindrance that the GTR's already have, even if there is no ballast on any car, the GTR was added ballast to the season, not because of success but because of one guys supposed lap times.
 
So I just read this isn't success ballast, it's some pre-determined ballast before the season to even cars out and the Nissans are complaining they've been unfairly done by. But seriously, they've got 5kg more than some cars, and only 10kg more than others. The drivers would make up that difference no?


Crashbroke23
Now we have the WTCC scrapping the idea of success ballast this year. And the racing is pretty good based on the first two races.
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Not the BTCC, I watched some last night and they still had it.
 
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Program for this weekend, Silverstone:

Mainly started the thread to follow up on the racers Lucas Ordoñez (this weekend in Nissan 350Z I believe) and Jordan Tresson (Nissan 370Z) that came out of the GT Academy.

But as you can see a lot of excitement going on this week-end.

FRI 30 APR 2010
Below is the timetable for Fri 30 April 2010.

Start Finish
09:00 09:30 Cooper Tires British F3 Int. Series Free practice 1
09:40 11:00 FIA GT1 World Championship Free practice
11:10 11:50 GT4 European Cup Free practice 1
12:00 13:00 FIA GT3 European Championship Free practice 1
13:00 14:00 Lunch break -
13:15 13:45 Media laps and Supercar Tour -
14:00 14:30 Cooper Tires British F3 Int. Series Free practice 2
14:40 16:00 FIA GT1 World Championship Pre-Qualifying
16:10 16:50 GT4 European Cup Free practice 2
17:00 18:00 FIA GT3 European Championship Free practice 2


SAT 01 MAY 2010
Below is the timetable for Sat 01 May 2010.

Start Finish
09:00 09:50 FIA GT3 European Championship Qualifying
10:00 10:30 Cooper Tires British F3 Int. Series Qualifying
10:45 11:45 FIA GT1 World Championship Qualifying
11:55 12:30 GT4 European Cup Qualifying
12:30 13:15 Lunch break -
13:15 13:45 Cooper Tires British F3 Int. Series Race 1
14:14 15:15 FIA GT3 European Championship Race 1
15:45 16:25 GT4 European Cup Race 1
17:15 18:15 FIA GT1 World Championship Qualifying Race


SUN 02 MAY 2010
Below is the timetable for Sun 02 May 2010.

Start Finish
09:30 10:00 FIA GT1 World Championship Warm Up
10:30 10:50 Cooper Tires British F3 Int. Series Race 2
10:55 11:10 Church Break -
11:00 11:30 Pit Walk and Autograph Session -
12:15 13:15 FIA GT3 European Championship Race 2
13:45 14:25 GT4 European Cup Race 2
15:15 16:15 FIA GT1 World Championship Race 2
16:45 17:25 Cooper Tires British F3 Int. Series Race 3
 
Hope the Aston Martins and the GTRs do good this weekend. I don't want them to boycott the race. I hope they can come to an agreement to reduce the performance ballast they gave them before the start of the season.
 
Mm same. I've been looking at the weather forecast and it says it's supposed to be heavy rain all of Saturday at Silverstone :grumpy: I hope the weather forecast is wrong. Very, very wrong.
 
I hope the Corvettes do well, but I imagine if it's raining that they won't, the Ford GTs and Maserati MC12s (are they still in it?) will since they have more weight over the wheels to get the extra traction.
 
Dear friends,

Well I'm sure you know Jordan and me will start the GT4 Cup next weekend at Silverstone. He will drive the new 370 alongside with my last year teammate A.Buncombe. About me I'll drive the last year 350 GT4 which stills very competitive on the track as we saw on the BOP (balance of performance).

We have good expectations for the first race of the season and I hope you will follow our steps this season. To make it easier I would like to let you know that you can see all my live updates from Silverstone in my website www.lucasordonez.com and of course you will find results, pictures, videos, comments and much more in my Fan club website http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucas-Ordonez/112150848800761?ref=ts

Hope you share this with your friends and all GTP comunity which I would like to thank again for all your support.

Hope to see you in the racing tracks one day!

Lucas
 
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Lucasordonez
Dear friends,

Well I'm sure you know Jordan and me will start the GT4 Cup next weekend at Silverstone. He will drive the new 370 alongside with my last year teammate A.Buncombe. About me I'll drive the last year 350 GT4 which stills very competitive on the track as we saw on the BOP (balance of performance).

We have good expectations for the first race of the season and I hope you will follow our steps this season. To make it easier I would like to let you know that you can see all my live updates from Silverstone in my website www.lucasordonez.com and of course you will find results, pictures, videos, comments and much more in my Fan club website http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/...8800761?ref=ts

Hope you share this with your friends and all GTP comunity which I would like to thank again for all your support.

Hope to see you in the racing tracks one day!

Lucas
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Hey Lucas!, I had no idea you were on GTP.
Good luck to you and the rest of the team this weekend:tup:, hopefully the weather will be a lot better than forecast and the layout will bring some great moments. Unfortunately im going to miss race 1 and the qualifying(And the GT1 & 3 action too:() because of work but will definitely catch it when I get home and keep up to date via your website.:)
 
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