FITT 535PP FR Tuner Challenge

Tracks on my current list to consider for this shootout are:
Rome
Tokyo
SS5
Grand Valley
Nurb GP/F
Nurb GP/D
Trial Mountain
Deep Forest

Want to avoid choosing a track where the lap time is highly dependent on one corner. For example, Grand Valley East reverse, if the car is good in turns one and two at the end of the straight, the lap time will be good.
 
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Curious about the range of your 3 second split.

A.) One super fast car and six about 2 to 3 seconds slower?
B.) One super slow car 3 seconds behind the other six?
C.) One super fast, one super slow and a five kind of in the middle?
D.) Some other pattern?

Hello Hami.
Till now 16 cars tested. I've loaded the ghost of my first 0.000 and checked the ime + or - of the others. On suzuka.

-1.000
-0.350
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.000
0.100
0.400
0.500
1.000
1.600
1.600
2.000
2.200
2.200
2.700
 
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For a such subjective criterion as driver choice ,i would like to submit an idea.

Each tuner X group of cars stay secret . Only Hamy know who tune what and send the sorted group to each tuner.

After the tuner set his car he send it back to Hami, who publish the tune with a number. (we need to have a ST tuning sheet to publish):
TUNE 1
TUNE 2
....
....

Any tuner or tester can build and share any car. When all the cars are OK just need to publish who have this car on share.

After this testers drive the cars only knowing the numbers and not the tuner.

At the end ,Hami reveal the Cars with each tuner name and the classification of each...

Just an idea.💡

Excellent idea! Brilliant! 👍
 
How to tune more cars so we can share 5 cars

No. You tune one car.

Praiano made a suggestion. All cars get shared, but do not reveal tuner name until the end of competition.

Potential Idea:
1. Tuner sign up by deadline
2. Tuner list placed in random order.
3. Car selection is private. I send you a PM when it is your turn to select the car group. I tell you which groups are taken and still available.
4. Tuner builds one car from their group.
5. Tuner sends the car with the tune to me.
6. I post all tunes in the forum, no tuner names.
7. I share tunes for test drivers to borrow. I can only host five tunes on my account. I have a second account where I could host five more. Would need one more person to help host tunes.

I like it. Though it is complicated. Your thoughts?
 
No. You tune one car.

Praiano made a suggestion. All cars get shared, but do not reveal tuner name until the end of competition.

Potential Idea:
1. Tuner sign up by deadline
2. Tuner list placed in random order.
3. Car selection is private. I send you a PM when it is your turn to select the car group. I tell you which groups are taken and still available.
4. Tuner builds one car from their group.
5. Tuner sends the car with the tune to me.
6. I post all tunes in the forum, no tuner names.
7. I share tunes for test drivers to borrow. I can only host five tunes on my account. I have a second account where I could host five more. Would need one more person to help host tunes.

I like it. Though it is complicated. Your thoughts?

I could share if needed. Could also build providing i have the car already broken in. Are any in the list premiums? I'm assuming all standards are broken in. Hami will only be able to send 1 per day, dunno how this would be factored into the deadlines.
 
I could share if needed. Could also build providing i have the car already broken in. Are any in the list premiums? I'm assuming all standards are broken in. Hami will only be able to send 1 per day, dunno how this would be factored into the deadlines.

I have two accounts. That is ten cars. I could PM each tuner and tell them which of my two accounts to send to.
 
I have two accounts. That is ten cars. I could PM each tuner and tell them which of my two accounts to send to.

Tuners getting cars to you is not an issue as you can receive as many as you like, and the tuners will only be sending 1 car. You can host the 10 on your 2 accounts, but extras will have to be hosted by somebody else, which is what i'm offering to do, but you can only send me 1 per day. An extra 5 tuners could put 5 days on the deadline, unless the cars come before deadline, then it's not such an issue.
 
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Tuners getting cars to you is not an issue as you can receive as many as you like, and the tuners will only be sending 1 car. You can host the 10 on your 2 accounts, but extras will have to be hosted by somebody else, which is what i'm offering to do, but you can only send me 1 per day. An extra 5 tuners would put 5 days on the deadline, unless the cars come before deadline, then it's not such an issue.

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Tested a bit tonight for parity. Built each car to 535PP specs, added custom transmission, full suspension and all the drivetrain goodies. I didn't change any settings on suspension or transmission. The only tuning that I did was to put a basic LSD tune on each 10/14/7. I drove 12 cars tonight.

After the testing, I can reconfirm that PD's PP system is totally jacked. I had looked at each car based on power and torque against weight. Many of the cars that I thought would be bottom of the pile were actually quite quick. And, the few that I thought would be overdogs, were just ordinary. I cannot make sense of the PP system against lap time. One thing's for sure, not all cars at 535PP are created equal. Car selection could make a big difference in finishing order. It could also be fun to search for that gem in the heap.

Now that I have tested a bit, I want to make a few changes. I did not expect this many tuners to sign up. We currently have 11. Two more have sent me messages on the PS3. That would be 13 if they are serious about joining. We currently have only 13 car groupings. It strips away some of the fun if you are randomly selected as tuner #13 and get the category that is left for last. So, I want to make things more open so that we all get the fun of trying a number of cars and choosing one that we like. But, I do not want more than one tuner picking the same car. I just don't want a competition where half the field picks the exact same car. So I will refine the list a little and we will still pick cars in a random order, but the list will be more open so everyone can choose between 30 or so cars. I have updated the car list.

As for track selection, I really am liking Rome. It flows so nicely. And it has lap times under 1:15 which makes testing each car for 10+ laps much easier than with a 2:00 plus lap time track. The track has everything except for a super long straight. It has a couple of good straight sections that follow 2nd gear corners. It has a few higher speed sweeping turns. It also has a decreasing radius/double apex bit. I think it will be the best test of agility of all of the tracks in the game.

I also like Praiano's suggestion of keeping the tuner secret until the end. I will randomize the tuner list and send each tuner a PM alerting them of their draft order. No one else will know the order for car selections. The front page will just list Tuner 1 - xxx car, then that car in the list will have a line through it meaning that it is now no longer available for other tuners. At the end, we will just have a listing of cars with no tuner names next to them. I will also send a PM to each tuner telling them which PSN account to send their car to. Your PM will include either my MotorCtyHamilton account, GT2ndTry or biffa. This too will keep people from knowing which tuners are hosted by which account. The Google docs score sheet will only list car names, not tuners, until the end of the competition.
 
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I love the "secret santa" idea! I find that in testing, as objective as I try to be, the tuner and their previous cars I've driven can still play a factor. This would remove the temptation to compare against anything but the cars in the shootout.

With the number of entrants I should be able to drive them all so add me in for that. Should be a nice way to break in my redesigned rig. :mischievous:

I'll get this added to the FITT thread shortly. 👍
 
ooohhhh... I like this, but to save time waiting for me to pick a car (my work days are all screwed up :banghead: ), when it is my selection just tell me the car, via PM, you would like to see me tune and I'll do that one... is that okay? :dopey:
 
ooohhhh... I like this, but to save time waiting for me to pick a car (my work days are all screwed up :banghead: ), when it is my selection just tell me the car, via PM, you would like to see me tune and I'll do that one... is that okay? :dopey:

If you sort through the list a bit and let me know five or six cars that you like, I can slot you in for one when it is your turn.
 
I need some help with the random order thing. I have placed the names list in random order but I think it would work well to have someone else also help to randomize. Someone official like Digital Baka. DB, can you send me a PM (or post here) number 1-15 in random order. I will then just lay your list next to the tuner list and we'll have the draft positions.
 
Motor City Hami
If you sort through the list a bit and let me know five or six cars that you like, I can slot you in for one when it is your turn.

Great. Let me look over the list tonight and I'll get back to you when I can. 👍
 
I need some help with the random order thing. I have placed the names list in random order but I think it would work well to have someone else also help to randomize. Someone official like Digital Baka. DB, can you send me a PM (or post here) number 1-15 in random order. I will then just lay your list next to the tuner list and we'll have the draft positions.
For transparency I'll post it here. 👍

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1
12
4
8
13
15
2
9
11
3
7
5
10
14

....bet I end up 15. :lol:

Also, since we are selecting one by one, don't post that you are working on your car until the selections are completely done. Those of use that like statistics and probablility would be able to pick out the order and who is tuning what because we like to cause trouble like that. :mischievous:
 
Also, since we are selecting one by one, don't post that you are working on your car until the selections are completely done. Those of use that like statistics and probablility would be able to pick out the order and who is tuning what because we like to cause trouble like that. :mischievous:

Exactly what I was thinking. 👍
 
PMs with your draft order has now been sent to the current 11 tuners. I just made half of you very happy and the other half :grumpy:

I have given tuner 1 until Sept 12 to make their selection. If they choose to submit early, we can move on to #2 if ready, then #3 if ready, etc.

Remember, do not post your selection on the site. Just PM it to me.
 
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