FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers

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DolHaus
Fair point, you might be able to get it 'stickied' perhaps. It would be nice to have a permanent record of FITT contest results
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While waiting for food I was thinking and I could include the Difficult Car threads and Bowtie's Car of the Month threads. I agreed with the keeping record of the contest results and felt like others would appreciate it too.
 
DaBomm4
While waiting for food I was thinking and I could include the Difficult Car threads and Bowtie's Car of the Month threads. I agreed with the keeping record of the contest results and felt like others would appreciate it too.
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@DigitalBaka used to do a car of the month in the early days of GT6, hate to ask you to do this, but if you really want to add mine and the prior Difficult Car, should probably add those as well? Just a thought, up to you. Would be nice to get it stickied.

@Motor City Hami I agree. Loved that challenge, was well set up and run.
 
I might have an idea for a future challenge. Featuring DTM cars (and a ALMS)

AUDI A4 TOURING CAR 2004
OPEL ASTRA V8 COUPE (OPEL TEAM PHOENIX) 2000
MERCEDES-BENZ CLK TOURING CAR 2000
BMW M3 GTR RACE CAR 2001 (the black sheep ALMS car)

All cars are to be setup at 442 HP and weight at 1120kg.

Track: Red Bull Ring (long)

Very early in testing process. The Opel Astra is struggling a bit and might need

help. Behind by 1.429 secs. All the other cars are within. .470 secs of each other. This was just a quick 10 lap session per car using "PD stock" numbers.

Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks and MAD respect to you all!!
 
Lionheart2113
I'm thinking some sort of time trials to group the racers as well. No sandbagging!:lol:
Ex. Me against @MrGrado ...not fair, I'd get slaughtered!
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Along with finding enough willing participants, this is the other issue, finding four racers that are within a few tenths of each other. I'm comfortable racing with @NEWDRIVER2 and @danbojte, I'm sure we can find a fourth EU driver from our regular racers. Compounding the geographical and pace selection, is the potential to match four drivers based on their controller type. Is it worth it? I can hang with ND and Dan using a controller, but it's evident that the other two use a wheel. I'm not so worried about auto vs manual, experience suggests that's usually decided via the users choice of controller (I appreciate there are exceptions).

Some time trials or heats to group drivers might be the answer ... the beast evolves ...

{Cy}
 
CyKosis1973
Along with finding enough willing participants, this is the other issue, finding four racers that are within a few tenths of each other. I'm comfortable racing with @NEWDRIVER2 and @danbojte, I'm sure we can find a fourth EU driver from our regular racers. Compounding the geographical and pace selection, is the potential to match four drivers based on their controller type. Is it worth it? I can hang with ND and Dan using a controller, but it's evident that the other two use a wheel. I'm not so worried about auto vs manual, experience suggests that's usually decided via the users choice of controller (I appreciate there are exceptions).

Some time trials or heats to group drivers might be the answer ... the beast evolves ...

{Cy}
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I'd like to be the 4th in your group, if my playing time matches the rest of yours..( @NEWDRIVER2 & @danbojte) We'll have to have a track day!
 
OK guys, so I am set to begin testing the current FITT GT's this evening (hopefully) but had an idea for a challenge and have bounced it off two other tuners and it is taking shape quite nicely. However, before I pitch it to the rest of the community I would really like one more tuner to test one group for me. I have the group close and the others seem to agree, but one more opinion would not hurt. If you are interested in giving me a quick test on 2 cars I would appreciate it, just send me a PM and I will share specs and cars.

Thanks, Bowtie.:)
 
After another exhaustive round of testing I have come to the conclusion that we really need standardized tune sheets.

Some are fine, good use of basic formatting so that things are easy to pick out, others are like trying to read binary on an old 8bit screen.

As a frequent tester I really do find it a pain trying to decipher peoples notes or massive walls of text with everything from transmission settings to what colour brake callipers they have crammed into one tangled lump.

I appreciate that some things are easier to do on a computer than they are on a mobile device but there must be a better way that works for everyone. Does anyone have any ideas on how we could make this easier and better?
 
I agree, building tune sheets for the GTs was not always easy, Mustangs had even more to fight and figure out. Not saying we should use it but, I use a template in my garage and when posting my tunes for these challenges. Most others do it very similar. Perhaps someone needs to create a universal sheet to be used or make everyone post in the database. @Otaliema , @brian wolf and @ImToLegitToQuit normally post that way.
 
DaBomm4
How about that sheet that @DigitalBaka made during the Miata challenge? I don't recall the page off hand but when I go about testing, even though it is a long process, I input everything into a copy of it.
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If you could track it down so we can take a look at it then that would be great. We need to check that it works for all users and can be easily translated for our friends from foreign parts 👍
 
ImToLegitToQuit
I mean we have a custom built crazy awesome tune app built into this site. It even fairly easy to use on mobile. I don't know why anything else is even considered to be honest.
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That could be a better idea, it has all the major ground work done already and would maybe lead to it being used more often than it currently is 👍

DaBomm4
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Aq8FTHHZEHVadE5oS29WX2F1Sk1EQ0s5c0RnVXp0NkE&usp=sharing

I just found it too.
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Ahh ok, didn't realise it was a google doc. This might be a problem to those using mobile devices (I don't use them so I can't say for sure)
 
If anyone is interested, here is mine. I just copy/paste then edit.

PP:
HP:
WEIGHT:
WEIGHT DIST:
TIRE(S):
OIL CHANGE -

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // BRAKES: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT -
SPRINGS -
COMP -
EXT -
ARB -
CAMBER -
TOE -
BRAKES -

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO - // TOP SPEED TO -
1ST -
2ND -
3RD -
4TH -
5TH -
6TH -
7TH -
FINAL -

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL -
ACCEL -
DECEL -

CLUTCH TYPE:
CARBON SHAFT:
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: n/a

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Standard
COMPUTER - Standard
EXHAUST - Standard
MANIFOLD - Standard
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Standard
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO -
POWER LIMITER -

WEIGHT REDUCTION -
CARBON HOOD - Standard
WINDOW WEIGHT - Standard

BALLAST -
DOWNFORCE - n/a

NOTE:

Last
 
I am transiting my garage to the tune database here at gtp, the remote site is being slowly shut down lack of traffic and costs etc.
as for a Google doc as long as we don't lock any columns only the top row at most it would be "ok" on mobile devices. The tuning part of the sheet @DigitalBaka creates is ready to use the conversion to different power formatted is taking a very long time as I can't get a single car in in the game data in all forms from people here to make sure the numbers are adding up.

Edit here is my tune post blank That I used on my site
 
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With @Motor City Hami 's Ford Challenge just about a wrap, is anyone interested in hearing an idea I have for a challenge. I have had two other tuners help with grouping and giving their feedback, or should we wait for the FITT BTCC to get further along?
 
Bowtie-muscle
With @Motor City Hami 's Ford Challenge just about a wrap, is anyone interested in hearing an idea I have for a challenge. I have had two other tuners help with grouping and giving their feedback, or should we wait for the FITT BTCC to get further along?
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I agree with @DolHaus. BTCC seems to be running okay as a separate entity now so I don't see why the regular FITT challenge shouldn't commence in the near future.
 
FITT Tuning Challenge Proposal

"The British Invasion"

Three Classes: No oil change, engine overhaul, or rigidity improvement for all classes!

Roadster - MG TF160, Lotus Elise Type 72, Vauxhall VX220(non-turbo)
450pp on Sports Hard tires, Brands Hatch Indy.
Fixed 5 speed trans, standard clutch and brakes. No aero or wing allowed. Standard rim size.

Street Sports Cars - Lotus Espirit '02 vs. TVR Tuscan
525pp on Sports Medium tires, Autumn Ring Reverse.
Front aero ok, no wing. Standard rim size.

Pro Touring Racers:
This will be something completely different. Cars will be build to match power and weight. Power and weight parts will be mandatory and unchangeable (This includes power limiter!). I have build the specs to 638hp, 1400kg and even the torque is only 1 ft/lb apart at 525 and 526. Both cars will need to have front aero, rear wing and flat floor. Standard rim size only. Run on Racing Hard tires at Silverstone GP.
Number Plate and number required.
The cars will be the Aston Martin DB9 VS. Jaguar XKR-S.
I will give all the specific parts for each car.

ALL THREE CLASSES are build to be tester friendly as only 1 of each car will need to be purchased!

If need be, could remove Street Sports and make it a two class challenge. Your thoughts and opinions are always appreciated. Two fellow tuners have helped with building this to ensure competitiveness and fun. They shall remain nameless unless this gets off the ground at which point they shall deserve credit for their time and feedback.
 
Bowtie-muscle
FITT Tuning Challenge Proposal

"The British Invasion"

Three Classes: No oil change, engine overhaul, or rigidity improvement for all classes!

Roadster - MG TF160, Lotus Elise Type 72, Vauxhall VX220(non-turbo)
450pp on Sports Hard tires, Brands Hatch Indy.
Fixed 5 speed trans, standard clutch and brakes. No aero or wing allowed. Standard rim size.

Street Sports Cars - Lotus Espirit '02 vs. TVR Tuscan
525pp on Sports Medium tires, Autumn Ring Reverse.
Front aero ok, no wing. Standard rim size.

Pro Touring Racers:
This will be something completely different. Cars will be build to match power and weight. Power and weight parts will be mandatory and unchangeable (This includes power limiter!). I have build the specs to 638hp, 1400kg and even the torque is only 1 ft/lb apart at 525 and 526. Both cars will need to have front aero, rear wing and flat floor. Standard rim size only. Run on Racing Hard tires at Silverstone GP.
Number Plate and number required.
The cars will be the Aston Martin DB9 VS. Jaguar XKR-S.
I will give all the specific parts for each car.

ALL THREE CLASSES are build to be tester friendly as only 1 of each car will need to be purchased!

If need be, could remove Street Sports and make it a two class challenge. Your thoughts and opinions are always appreciated. Two fellow tuners have helped with building this to ensure competitiveness and fun. They shall remain nameless unless this gets off the ground at which point they shall deserve credit for their time and feedback.
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Looks good, I like a three class challenge myself 👍
 
Bowtie-muscle
FITT Tuning Challenge Proposal

"The British Invasion"

Three Classes: No oil change, engine overhaul, or rigidity improvement for all classes!

Roadster - MG TF160, Lotus Elise Type 72, Vauxhall VX220(non-turbo)
450pp on Sports Hard tires, Brands Hatch Indy.
Fixed 5 speed trans, standard clutch and brakes. No aero or wing allowed. Standard rim size.

Street Sports Cars - Lotus Espirit '02 vs. TVR Tuscan
525pp on Sports Medium tires, Autumn Ring Reverse.
Front aero ok, no wing. Standard rim size.

Pro Touring Racers:
This will be something completely different. Cars will be build to match power and weight. Power and weight parts will be mandatory and unchangeable (This includes power limiter!). I have build the specs to 638hp, 1400kg and even the torque is only 1 ft/lb apart at 525 and 526. Both cars will need to have front aero, rear wing and flat floor. Standard rim size only. Run on Racing Hard tires at Silverstone GP.
Number Plate and number required.
The cars will be the Aston Martin DB9 VS. Jaguar XKR-S.
I will give all the specific parts for each car.

ALL THREE CLASSES are build to be tester friendly as only 1 of each car will need to be purchased!

If need be, could remove Street Sports and make it a two class challenge. Your thoughts and opinions are always appreciated. Two fellow tuners have helped with building this to ensure competitiveness and fun. They shall remain nameless unless this gets off the ground at which point they shall deserve credit for their time and feedback.
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Because the choice of cars is limited to 7 in total over three classes, it would be better to do all three classes in my opinion. If any tuner doesn't wish to participate in one of the classes, they still have two cars they can tune up which makes it more interesting for the testers.
 
@Otaliema have not gotten any feedback from you on this idea, however, what I need is a scorer! Would you be willing, able to build spreadsheets for the three classes? If so, whenever they get done, I will link to a post in the OP. Scoring is my issue here, have the rest all set up except for dates.

I know it's three classes, but would 2 weeks to tune and 2 to test be good or do we need more time? Roadster lap times are less than a minute so 10-15 laps should be a breeze. Street Sports are low to mid 1;20's and Pro Tourer's right around 2 minutes (2:02-2:04?).Thinking of Nov. 16 tuning deadline and the 30th for testing. Thoughts, opinions, and criticism always welcome. Or would everyone prefer a staggered set of dates? This way it is basically the whole month, staggering would stretch it out.
 
Bowtie-muscle
@Otaliema have not gotten any feedback from you on this idea, however, what I need is a scorer! Would you be willing, able to build spreadsheets for the three classes? If so, whenever they get done, I will link to a post in the OP. Scoring is my issue here, have the rest all set up except for dates.

I know it's three classes, but would 2 weeks to tune and 2 to test be good or do we need more time? Roadster lap times are less than a minute so 10-15 laps should be a breeze. Street Sports are low to mid 1;20's and Pro Tourer's right around 2 minutes (2:02-2:04?).Thinking of Nov. 16 tuning deadline and the 30th for testing. Thoughts, opinions, and criticism always welcome. Or would everyone prefer a staggered set of dates? This way it is basically the whole month, staggering would stretch it out.
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Yeah I could build the scoring sheets for that. as for time line. I think 2 weeks is enough for the two street classes but add another week to the pro class just to allow for more time as tourcing cars can be tricky to tune, you can get it right really fast or you have to hunt and dig for the correct set up and at 2 minutes a lap it will take testers a while to complete even if you only see the normal 8-10 entrants thats still 30-90 minutes testing time per car.
 
Bowtie-muscle
@Otaliema have not gotten any feedback from you on this idea, however, what I need is a scorer! Would you be willing, able to build spreadsheets for the three classes? If so, whenever they get done, I will link to a post in the OP. Scoring is my issue here, have the rest all set up except for dates.

I know it's three classes, but would 2 weeks to tune and 2 to test be good or do we need more time? Roadster lap times are less than a minute so 10-15 laps should be a breeze. Street Sports are low to mid 1;20's and Pro Tourer's right around 2 minutes (2:02-2:04?).Thinking of Nov. 16 tuning deadline and the 30th for testing. Thoughts, opinions, and criticism always welcome. Or would everyone prefer a staggered set of dates? This way it is basically the whole month, staggering would stretch it out.
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I'd say at least 3 weeks minimum tuning/testing time for 3 classes. A slight staggering of deadlines would mean a constant trickle of results which keeps interest up.

Day 1 = details released, all entries can be started/submitted
Day 7 = class 1 tuning deadline/class 1 testing starts
Day 14 = class 2 tuning deadline/ class 2 testing starts
Day 21 = class 3 tuning deadline/ class 3 testing starts

+14 days testing deadline for each class

Comes in at just over a month total duration 👍

The scoring is relatively simple to do by hand, its just averages (add everything together and divide by the number of data points ie. [time 1 + time 2 + time 3] divided by 3 = Average time). Slightly time consuming but simple enough if you're not good with spreadsheets.
 

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