FITT Ford Challenges by MCH

In the words of Nascar driver, Carl Edwards, "Winner, winner, chicken dinner."

On another note, I am just not going to have time to tune my GT. :grumpy: Maybe I'll finish it and post by the end of the competition if test drivers want to drive it just as a bonus. So, it looks like everyone has submitted their GT tunes. Right? Let the testing begin.
Not sure on that one, am I that far off of everyone else. Tried camber and did not like it for me but did not give it much time either. Time was limited anyway and I should likely get out ran in this one.

Anyway, as a tester, if you post it - I will test it :) just as I did your Boss. Always good to have another tune to compare to, even if it will likely cause me to hate my own more. :rolleyes:
 
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Not sure on that one, am I that far off of everyone else. Tried camber and did not like it for me but did not give it much time either. Time was limited anyway and I should likely get out ran in this one.

Anyway, as a tester, if you post it - I will test it :) just as I did your Boss. Always good to have another tune to compare to, even if it will likely cause me to hate my own more. :rolleyes:

I only got about 15 laps with my car and that's just not enough to meet my standard of tuning. I think I have as many tunes in my PS3 that I have not posted as I do posted in the GTPlanet garage. As for the GT, it has a really nasty habit of laying over after the apex, just before getting back to throttle. The rear seems to break loose just before exit. Maybe it was something in my base tune, but even with a few adjustments it was the car's biggest weakness. I have never experienced this corner problem in GT6. I still want to finish my tune because of this.
 
I only got about 15 laps with my car and that's just not enough to meet my standard of tuning. I think I have as many tunes in my PS3 that I have not posted as I do posted in the GTPlanet garage. As for the GT, it has a really nasty habit of laying over after the apex, just before getting back to throttle. The rear seems to break loose just before exit. Maybe it was something in my base tune, but even with a few adjustments it was the car's biggest weakness. I have never experienced this corner problem in GT6. I still want to finish my tune because of this.
I had the same issue, losing the the rear just before throttle application on 2 or 3 corners, adjusting the line improved but I never really got happy with it. Maybe using camber helps and that is why everyone else is using it. Will find out during testing. I did struggle to put more than 4 laps in at a time before either exiting or restarting, this is why I expect to finish near the bottom. Also why I am not sure if it was me, the car or the track.
 
I only got about 15 laps with my car and that's just not enough to meet my standard of tuning. I think I have as many tunes in my PS3 that I have not posted as I do posted in the GTPlanet garage. As for the GT, it has a really nasty habit of laying over after the apex, just before getting back to throttle. The rear seems to break loose just before exit. Maybe it was something in my base tune, but even with a few adjustments it was the car's biggest weakness. I have never experienced this corner problem in GT6. I still want to finish my tune because of this.

I had the same issue, losing the the rear just before throttle application on 2 or 3 corners, adjusting the line improved but I never really got happy with it. Maybe using camber helps and that is why everyone else is using it. Will find out during testing. I did struggle to put more than 4 laps in at a time before either exiting or restarting, this is why I expect to finish near the bottom. Also why I am not sure if it was me, the car or the track.

I had the same issue with oringal tune, I more or less fixed it as long as your not still turning the car when you hit the gas it wont happen.
Soultion was soften the rear, toe in and bit more camber than I thought it needed. The GT was an odd car to tune. Also using lower than normal LSD accel settings helped contain it, force the inside to spin before the outside and would stablize the car just long enough to allow me to get control of it.
 
I had the same issue with oringal tune, I more or less fixed it as long as your not still turning the car when you hit the gas it wont happen.
Soultion was soften the rear, toe in and bit more camber than I thought it needed. The GT was an odd car to tune. Also using lower than normal LSD accel settings helped contain it, force the inside to spin before the outside and would stablize the car just long enough to allow me to get control of it.
Well thanks, now I have even more confidence in my tune. :rolleyes: Finishing last that is. Oh well, would not be the first time. :grumpy:
 
Well thanks, now I have even more confidence in my tune. :rolleyes: Finishing last that is. Oh well, would not be the first time. :grumpy:
Ohh have confendice in your self man, you always do better than you think you will. I always do worse :lol: I took a different approach to this car than I normally do I set up as more race style than TT style so it's stable but I'm sacrificing speed to get it. I loosened it up as much as I thought I could and still keep it so you can could lay into the car and pretty well know it's not going to put you in a wall.
 
Ohh have confendice in your self man, you always do better than you think you will. I always do worse :lol: I took a different approach to this car than I normally do I set up as more race style than TT style so it's stable but I'm sacrificing speed to get it. I loosened it up as much as I thought I could and still keep it so you can could lay into the car and pretty well know it's not going to put you in a wall.
To be perfectly honest, on the surface this track/car combo are a challenge. I do not spend much time in MR cars or at this track. I was more concerned with getting used to the combo so as to get the best time for each of the other tuners as possible. My tune may very well do just fine due to the nature of the challenge being not so easy. We shall all find out soon, just hoping to do justice to the other tunes submitted. Good luck gentlemen! :cheers:
 
Ohh have confendice in your self man, you always do better than you think you will. I always do worse :lol: I took a different approach to this car than I normally do I set up as more race style than TT style so it's stable but I'm sacrificing speed to get it. I loosened it up as much as I thought I could and still keep it so you can could lay into the car and pretty well know it's not going to put you in a wall.
I second this @Bowtie-muscle - The tunes which people feel aren't up to scratch are often better than they think.
 
Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07


@DaBomm4 – 1:19.981

DC - 7

This car has always had a massive problem with understeer, don't know what causes it but that's just the way it is. This tune felt initially promising through the first few corners, the understeer was still there but it was manageable, the car didn't hold its speed well through the corners but it was definitely an improvement. I was quite enjoying it until the last corner where that understeer came back with a vengeance, it just gave up halfway through and sent me off into the desert. The only way I could combat the understeer was to back right off the throttle as soon as I entered and coast through the entire section, even then I'd often have to brake to get the nose tucked in. This just killed the times, it wasn't bad round the rest of the circuit, not fast but definitely usable, it just lost time hand over fist in the last section.


Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13


@787bcgr – 1:17.792


DC - 6.5


Didn't really know what to make of this car, seemed to change its characteristics from corner to corner, sometimes it had loads of grip, sometimes it would just let go for no apparent reason. I just couldn't work out what the car wanted me to do with it, sometimes it responded to aggressive driving, sometimes it needed you to be butter smooth. this would have been fine if the car gave more feedback but I just couldn't get any feeling from it, I found myself approaching corners with no idea where I was supposed to be braking or aiming for in order to get the car out the other side as fast as possible, it was always just a case of chucking and chancing it.


@Bowtie-muscle – 1:17.743


DC - 7.5


Didn't have any major problems but it didn't excel anywhere either. The car seemed to have a slight delay between steering input and the car reacting, I can only put this down to the soft rear springs slowing the weight transfer. It wasn't a major problem but took a few laps to get used to and could make the car tricky to save when I got it wrong. Brakes and transmission seemed fine, didn't really notice any problems there apart from maybe 2nd and 3rd being a bit far apart. All in all it was fairly competent but just too safe to be fast, a decent race tune perhaps.


@DolHaus – 1:17.324


DC - 7


More understeer than I wanted, had intentions to fix that but ran out of time


@gtmetacrisis – 1:17.987


DC - 7


Wasn't bad, handled very much as I expected when reading the tune sheet. Fair amount of grip, decent in the slow sections but struggled to hold speed in the longer turns. The car did seem to move about a bit on top of the chassis, I have a feeling the dampers or ARB's maybe could have done with being stiffer. The transmission was a bit too short, I found myself bouncing off the limitter at the end of the main straight, probably could have dropped a 10th by just stretching the final out a bit. Overall it felt fine but just not suited to the track, on a tighter, twistier circuit this thing would probably be quite fun but just didn't do well in the longer, faster corners.


@ImToLegitToQuit – 1:17.238


DC - 9


I quite liked this one, it felt a bit fidgety and a little nervous but it was very responsive to being driven hard. The throttle response was sharp and the diff settings allowed more direct control over the rear wheels, this suited my driving style more than the open diffs found on a lot of the other cars. The other perk of this was when the rear got a bit nervous or unbalanced it was easy to regain control without shedding too much speed. The one thing I didn't really like was the transmission, it just didn't work with auto and kept upshifting in both of the long corners which made it difficult to hold the line. Apart from that I thoroughly enjoyed the car, it just felt wild enough to be fun but not so over the top that I didn't feel confident pushing it, great job.


@krenkme – 1:18.115


DC - 8


Easy to drive but really not suited to the track. The car would do everything you asked it to in a stable and predictable fashion and I found myself getting progressively faster with it but it was just too soft and wobbly for a high load circuit like Big Willow. In the long corners it was dragging its door handles along the pavement and yawing like a boat in a storm, the softness helped with the bumpy surface but it just killed the speed in the corners. The other problem was that I was bouncing off the limiter on the main straight and coming into the last corner, the transmission was just too short and killing the car in a straight line. These issues aside, I quite enjoyed learning and driving the car, had very few off's in it and it didn't stress me in the same way as some of the others.


@xande1959 – 1:18.678


DC - 6.5


Very stable but quite a lot of understeer, I just found that I couldn't sustain any speed through the corners because the car just wanted to plough wide at every opportunity. Wasn't bad on entry, the brakes felt competent and the stability gave confidence but once you were past this stage the car became hard to rotate and I found myself having to keep backing off the throttle in order to keep the nose pointed where I wanted it. In its favour though, the car was the easiest to recover with if you put a wheel on the dirt, didn't seem to lose as much grip and was quite forgiving.



Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 '13


@Badger66 – 1:18.053


DC - 7


A competent and stable tune, very easy to drive consistently. The main problem for was late corner rotation, the car just started to understeer in the longer turns and lost a fair bit of time as a result, I kept having to lift off to get the nose pointed back into the bend and that cost me a lot of speed on exit. I think the heavy nose is the cause of the understeer, the car just can't find the grip to keep rotating once you are past a certain amount of cornering load, this combined with the resistive forces generated by the rear toe in prevents the car from holding its line in the longer corners.


@brian wolf – 1:17.825


DC - 7.5


Surprisingly little to say about a car with such interesting and unusual methods used in tuning. The car wasn't bad, reasonable turn in, neutral mid corner and a bit of understeer on exit. It was far more conventional than I expected, the trans didn't feel unusual and the lift off oversteer never really materialised for more than a bit of a nod occasionally on entry. Overall it was fairly competitive and easy enough to drive but it didn't really do anything for me


@Lewis_Hamilton_ – 1:17.317


DC - 5.5


This thing was fast but a complete pain in the ass to drive. It was just so temperamental, the LSD felt like it was backwards with the Initial and Accel values, it would keep turning if you stayed on the throttle but push really wide if you lifted, this meant that you were fine if your line was perfect but if you came in a bit wide then you might as well pack your camel because you were definitely going on a trip through the desert. I had two clean laps in the car, both were mid/low 17s, the rest were in the 20-40 range because a small mistake on had lead to a massive problem, the car just felt too specialised and unforgiving. Credit where its due the car was fast and it certainly could have gone much faster, it just felt like the car was punishing me for being an average driver, it demanded way more than I was capable of giving in our short time together.


@Otaliema – 1:17.449


DC - 8.5


I quiet liked this one because it felt different to the others, it handled kind of like an MR in the way that it would suddenly turn in as soon as you lifted off the throttle. Took a while to get used to how sharply the car would turn in and every corner felt like an experiment as you could never really be entirely sure what it was going to do next. It wasn't unstable or difficult but it was slightly hard to predict on entry. I liked the brakes, they felt capable but didn't detract from the front end grip or cause it to straight line. The one thing I found a little bit difficult to work with was the way the car delivered its power on exit, it had too much rear grip for me when combined with the sharp turn in, I feel I could have gone a fair bit faster if I could have used a bit of slip to sustain speed through the corners. With the Accel being so open I just couldn't spin the rear tyres when I needed to and often ended up either having to lift to get the nose tucked in or run wide and compromise entry into the next corner. All in all a decent hot lap tune that treads the line between safe and psychotic, I think if it was a little bit less safe then it would be a real contender in the right hands


@shaunm80 – 1:17.985


DC - 7.5


I found this car a little bit hard to get along with initially, it felt a little bit vague and hesitant, couldn't quite work out what it wanted me to do with it. It seemed to only like one particular line, it was pretty quick once you found that line but it felt kind of unhappy if you fell out of that groove. I liked the brakes, they were like dropping an anchor out the back in terms of slowing down but I'm not sure if they fit the track that well. On the few corners where I wanted to shed a lot of speed quickly they were perfect but I found it difficult to gently shed speed with them during the longer corners, they were just a bit too aggressive. When it was in the groove the car was a pleasure to drive but once you left the groove the car didn't really know what to do with itself.


@sinof1337 – 1:19.047


DC - 6.5


The car felt fairly grippy and stable on entry but suffered really badly with understeer on exit. The general stability and composure on entry gave initial confidence but that went away as soon as the front outside tire lit up and the nose ploughed wide. I think that the car was a little bit too heavy for the springs and the dampers might be too soft as well, you could feel the car wobbling around on top of the wheels every time the weight shifted, took a long time to regain that composure. This track doesn't really have enough long straights for the extra muscle to be effective, the small amounts of time you gain on the straights before and after the last corner just don't add up with the large amounts of time you are losing around the rest of the track.
 
@Lewis_Hamilton_ – 1:17.317


DC - 5.5


This thing was fast but a complete pain in the ass to drive. It was just so temperamental, the LSD felt like it was backwards with the Initial and Accel values, it would keep turning if you stayed on the throttle but push really wide if you lifted, this meant that you were fine if your line was perfect but if you came in a bit wide then you might as well pack your camel because you were definitely going on a trip through the desert. I had two clean laps in the car, both were mid/low 17s, the rest were in the 20-40 range because a small mistake on had lead to a massive problem, the car just felt too specialised and unforgiving. Credit where its due the car was fast and it certainly could have gone much faster, it just felt like the car was punishing me for being an average driver, it demanded way more than I was capable of giving in our short time together.

Thank you for the review, Dolhaus.

Oh man, good to see you got your second fastest time in it but a shame that you hated the car. You shouldn't be so harsh on yourself saying that you're an "average driver", it is simply down to driving style and my tune did not suit yours.
 
Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07


@DaBomm4 – 1:19.981

DC - 7

This car has always had a massive problem with understeer, don't know what causes it but that's just the way it is. This tune felt initially promising through the first few corners, the understeer was still there but it was manageable, the car didn't hold its speed well through the corners but it was definitely an improvement. I was quite enjoying it until the last corner where that understeer came back with a vengeance, it just gave up halfway through and sent me off into the desert. The only way I could combat the understeer was to back right off the throttle as soon as I entered and coast through the entire section, even then I'd often have to brake to get the nose tucked in. This just killed the times, it wasn't bad round the rest of the circuit, not fast but definitely usable, it just lost time hand over fist in the last section.
Thanks for the effort, you had better luck than me through most of the lap, the last section I was braking a little before the final part of the turn and then I could accelerate through and have a good exit speed.
 
Thank you for the review, Dolhaus.

Oh man, good to see you got your second fastest time in it but a shame that you hated the car. You shouldn't be so harsh on yourself saying that you're an "average driver", it is simply down to driving style and my tune did not suit yours.
It could have gone a lot quicker if I had a lot more laps, definitely could have pushed into the 16s. I just couldn't adapt to the car fast enough, it needed a more precise touch and quicker reactions than I posses.

I'm guessing you're at the Alien end of the scale when it comes to driving? :lol: The car just had that kind of feel to it

Thanks for the effort, you had better luck than me through most of the lap, the last section I was braking a little before the final part of the turn and then I could accelerate through and have a good exit speed.
It just couldn't hold the speed unfortunately, I must have been down by at least 15mph all the way round the final bend just trying to keep it on the black stuff. Shame really, the car was quite well mannered otherwise
 
Thanks for the review, I had a feeling you were going to think it was a bit safe but that was how I was able to keep it fast and manageable. Still you got a fairly quick lap with it so that is all I can ask for. Did not think your tune was that bad that you should give yourself a 7! And it looks like you found the same results with most of the tunes as me. 👍 And you had me as 5th fastest out of 16, how could I complain.:)
 
Thanks for the review, I had a feeling you were going to think it was a bit safe but that was how I was able to keep it fast and manageable. Still you got a fairly quick lap with it so that is all I can ask for. Did not think your tune was that bad that you should give yourself a 7! And it looks like you found the same results with most of the tunes as me. 👍 And you had me as 5th fastest out of 16, how could I complain.:)
A lot of the cars felt way too safe, I think its probably the safer approach to the track because its so unforgiving when you get it wrong, the faster ones were definitely those that aimed for one fast lap rather than a good average though.
I didn't like the safeness of my own car either, I had intended to go back and play with the toe settings a bit more to try and liven the thing up but I ran out of time and had to leave it safe and dull :lol:

@DolHaus thank you for the feedback glad you enjoyed it. I dialed diff down to what I was hoping was a happy middle between spin ya and make you go strait.
Personally I think it could have done with a slightly higher Accel, the nose was really easy to get into the turn but it just wouldn't let me slide the rear on exit and as a result the nose would push wide whenever you got on the throttle. With a bit of slip I could have held the tighter, faster lines better and got more out of the car. The entry and exit were just at opposite ends of the scale, entered like a drift tune then stuck like a drag tune on exit.
 
A lot of the cars felt way too safe, I think its probably the safer approach to the track because its so unforgiving when you get it wrong, the faster ones were definitely those that aimed for one fast lap rather than a good average though.
I didn't like the safeness of my own car either, I had intended to go back and play with the toe settings a bit more to try and liven the thing up but I ran out of time and had to leave it safe and dull :lol:


Personally I think it could have done with a slightly higher Accel, the nose was really easy to get into the turn but it just wouldn't let me slide the rear on exit and as a result the nose would push wide whenever you got on the throttle. With a bit of slip I could have held the tighter, faster lines better and got more out of the car. The entry and exit were just at opposite ends of the scale, entered like a drift tune then stuck like a drag tune on exit.
Nothing wrong with safe, and after driving them all I can see how that can be the thinking of most of the tunes. I did not think yours was all that much different from my own, different yes, but not much. Otaliema, Legit and Lewis however, were night and day different from ours.
 
Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 '13


@Badger66 – 1:18.053


DC - 7


A competent and stable tune, very easy to drive consistently. The main problem for was late corner rotation, the car just started to understeer in the longer turns and lost a fair bit of time as a result, I kept having to lift off to get the nose pointed back into the bend and that cost me a lot of speed on exit. I think the heavy nose is the cause of the understeer, the car just can't find the grip to keep rotating once you are past a certain amount of cornering load, this combined with the resistive forces generated by the rear toe in prevents the car from holding its line in the longer corners.

Thanks @DolHaus for your time testing my tune and your Review...I am happy with a 7..and glad you found it a competent and stable tune..i had the same problem with the late corner rotation and understeer... mainly on the last corner...i just couldn't quite get that bit nailed down.... i found the only way to help with the last bit was to brake half way into the red braking zone at mid corner and induce the rear to come around and then feather it out to the exit with throttle control pass the second red braking zone and then full throttle out onto the straight...but if you dont hit this right it's good night Vienna and onto the dirt...therefore loosing time even if you get it right...and i know this is not the way that this should be done...but it was really hard to tune this car to cope with this last sweeping corner without compromising the rest of the track and i felt that the high rear toe would help with this... if you hit the braking zones right at the right speed..most of the time this worked for me and it felt ok.

And with the weight balance i chose in the end helped my front tires from going red at mid corner to exit and i think that this tune had to be driven 100% correctly to get the best out of it and even i couldn't do that all the time.

For me as a first time tuner...i found this circuit very hard to get right throughout...and i hope you understand what i've been trying to explain to you above. i have a weird way of explaining things...:lol:

Well done on your time...you were 200th quicker than me...👍

Thanks again and i do appreciate your feed back and taken on board what you have said....:cheers:

Well done to @ImToLegitToQuit for getting a 9...👍
 
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Very stable but quite a lot of understeer, I just found that I couldn't sustain any speed through the corners because the car just wanted to plough wide at every opportunity. Wasn't bad on entry, the brakes felt competent and the stability gave confidence but once you were past this stage the car became hard to rotate and I found myself having to keep backing off the throttle in order to keep the nose pointed where I wanted it. In its favour though, the car was the easiest to recover with if you put a wheel on the dirt, didn't seem to lose as much grip and was quite forgiving.
1 second less than I applaud the performance, thanks
 
@brian wolf – 1:17.825

DC - 7.5


Surprisingly little to say about a car with such interesting and unusual methods used in tuning. The car wasn't bad, reasonable turn in, neutral mid corner and a bit of understeer on exit. It was far more conventional than I expected, the trans didn't feel unusual and the lift off oversteer never really materialised for more than a bit of a nod occasionally on entry. Overall it was fairly competitive and easy enough to drive but it didn't really do anything for me
That wil do nicely! 👍 Well done mate! :cheers:
 
@shaunm80 – 1:17.985


DC - 7.5


I found this car a little bit hard to get along with initially, it felt a little bit vague and hesitant, couldn't quite work out what it wanted me to do with it. It seemed to only like one particular line, it was pretty quick once you found that line but it felt kind of unhappy if you fell out of that groove. I liked the brakes, they were like dropping an anchor out the back in terms of slowing down but I'm not sure if they fit the track that well. On the few corners where I wanted to shed a lot of speed quickly they were perfect but I found it difficult to gently shed speed with them during the longer corners, they were just a bit too aggressive. When it was in the groove the car was a pleasure to drive but once you left the groove the car didn't really know what to do with itself.
Thanks for the review. I found your comment about the brakes funny. thats the first time they have been compared to dropping an anchor.. I think I know what you mean about this car being in the grove but I felt that it was a bit more forgiving than previous entries I have submitted. I am glad that this car gave you some driving pleasure and you managed to find the sweet spot in it.
 
Thanks @DolHaus for your time testing my tune and your Review...I am happy with a 7..and glad you found it a competent and stable tune..i had the same problem with the late corner rotation and understeer... mainly on the last corner...i just couldn't quite get that bit nailed down.... i found the only way to help with the last bit was to brake half way into the red braking zone at mid corner and induce the rear to come around and then feather it out to the exit with throttle control pass the second red braking zone and then full throttle out onto the straight...but if you dont hit this right it's good night Vienna and onto the dirt...therefore loosing time even if you get it right...and i know this is not the way that this should be done...but it was really hard to tune this car to cope with this last sweeping corner without compromising the rest of the track and i felt that the high rear toe would help with this... if you hit the braking zones right at the right speed..most of the time this worked for me and it felt ok.

And with the weight balance i chose in the end helped my front tires from going red at mid corner to exit and i think that this tune had to be driven 100% correctly to get the best out of it and even i couldn't do that all the time.

For me as a first time tuner...i found this circuit very hard to get right throughout...and i hope you understand what i've been trying to explain to you above. i have a weird way of explaining things...:lol:

Well done on your time...you were 200th quicker than me...👍

Thanks again and i do appreciate your feed back and taken on board what you have said....:cheers:

Well done to @ImToLegitToQuit for getting a 9...👍
It was tricky to get the balance right in terms of late corner rotation, the mustangs just seem to have an inherent problem with it. The thing that makes me think t the weight distribution was too far forward was the lack of front end grip in the mid/late parts of the corner, the front tyres were just getting overwhelmed and causing it to push wide and follow the nose, needed a little more junk in the trunk to help keep the nose pushed in to the turn. Its a tricky balance as it needs to be just on the verge of oversteering so you need to retune the rest of the car so it can respond to and deal with the oversteer. Was a good effort though, very much on par with other more experienced tuners, my advice would be to keep this as a base and then make a modified version that is more on the edge and do a back to back 10 lap run and compare the outcomes, sometimes its worth a punt on a riskier car. 👍

Thanks for the review. I found your comment about the brakes funny. thats the first time they have been compared to dropping an anchor.. I think I know what you mean about this car being in the grove but I felt that it was a bit more forgiving than previous entries I have submitted. I am glad that this car gave you some driving pleasure and you managed to find the sweet spot in it.

The brakes would have been superb on a different course, they got the car stopped faster and more efficiently than the others. Unfortunately Big Willow only has one corner where heavy braking is required, the rest are just little dabs on the brakes to keep the nose from pushing wide, I found them difficult to shed small amounts of speed with as they were just so effective.
The car was great in its groove but as soon as you left it it was like when you see F1 cars running off line, it got all jumpy and fighty and really didn't want to play nice
 
@Motor City Hami looks great:tup:, I can't believe how up and down the DC points are in this one!:scared:
Very difficult handing those points out for this one as each tester seems to like different tunes more and struggles with some of the fast ones. Times are pretty consistent on most. Driving style might make more of a difference at this track?
Also the way they are handed out for each tester may be different.
 
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