FITT - Moving on to GT6!

[DigitalBaka]

Thank you, may I? And yes I hope they will

You may, if "dad" let's us. In fact anyone who wants can feel free to use it as a template for future STC-type events.

(or maybe "cuddle" with the wife )

Wish I could "cuddle" the wife. Er, mine, not yours. Unfortunately I am banned for a few days if you know what I mean.

At least there is plenty of new stuff to do in GT5. My mistress never lets me down.

 

[VTiRoj]

In the dog house, Baka?

Also these seasonal shootouts are pretty short and sweet, as long as we start it very soon and end it around the time XDesperado plans to start his shootout, we should be golden.

Disclaimer: When I say "we", I mean everyone but me.

 

[krenkme]

Well it's up here, I just hope I don't piss anyone off ..... oh and I need sleep so I'm sure I need to fix things

 

[DigitalBaka]

In the dog house, Baka?

Actually no...not this time.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yay krenkme!

I think we've all agreed on 380PP FF cars on SH tyres at Cape Ring Periphery (that's what the seasonal uses anyway) with no power limiter or ballast allowed.

Rather than no power limiter and no ballast how about allowing a small degree of both, say 5% power limiter and 20-30kgs of ballast? It's not always possible to get to an exact PP level through adding or taking away parts.

 

[trackripper123]

Too late Johnnypenso
But it's working well so far

 

[Motor City Hami]

Any more information on X's FF Summer Shootout? There are sooooo many cars to pick from. Hoping he picks restrictions that eliminates the Integra of if he just out right bans them. Was playing with a Focus RS this week and the car was way more fun than I had expected - even a little tail happy.

 

[DigitalBaka]

There was somewhere that he said the Integras will not be a "problem" this time around. I'm guessing that the restrictions will be much lower than last time so as to open up the field but I haven't seen any specifics.

 

[XDesperado67]

Definitely won't be any Integras in this years FF Shootout. Unfortunately the restrictions will keep a few others of my favorite FFs out as well but there should be an excellent selection of Cars to choose from, many of which would get very little track time otherwise.

 

[VTiRoj]

Rather than no power limiter and no ballast how about allowing a small degree of both, say 5% power limiter and 20-30kgs of ballast? It's not always possible to get to an exact PP level through adding or taking away parts.

True, but if you check out the entries entered into that shootout, none of them have struggled to reach 380PP. It's fun to see what tuners can do with such tight limits. :tup:

Tell us already XDesp! You're more of a tease than a stripper.

 

[XDesperado67]

True, but if you check out the entries entered into that shootout, none of them have struggled to reach 380PP. It's fun to see what tuners can do with such tight limits. :tup:

Tell us already XDesp! You're more of a tease than a stripper.

I'm still finalizing things here on my end. Trying to insure that there is not only a large variety of cars to choose from but that as many of those cars as possible remain competitive. While we're still likely to find some ringers in the field I'm hoping they won't be overly obvious the way the Integras and Trial Celicas were last year.
That being said I'll get the Shootout rolling come the 5th with full rules and its own thread.:tup:tup:
I'm liable to "leak" a few more details here between now and then though if your all nice to me.

 

[VTiRoj]

I'm liable to "leak" a few more details here between now and then though if your all nice to me.

Can't wait for the shootout. Would you like one of your cars painted in a DLC colour?

 

[trackripper123]

Krenkme's shootout is a nice warm up to this one in terms of tuning FF's and such Sounds awesome.

 

[krenkme]

Krenkme's shootout is a nice warm up to this one in terms of tuning FF's and such Sounds awesome.

Mine has seemed to turn into a full on shootout, crammed into two weeks . I was just expecting maybe 6 or 7 tuners and a couple testers, not 17 tuners and six testers ... I'm warn out .

Looking forward to Harveys shootout so I can rest

 

[Michelin]

Mine has seemed to turn into a full on shootout, crammed into two weeks . I was just expecting maybe 6 or 7 tuners and a couple testers, not 17 tuners and six testers ... I'm warn out .

Looking forward to Harveys shootout so I can rest

You mean 20 tuners, right? Counting with those who still haven't posted their cars along with LanceVance entry.

 

[krenkme]

You mean 20 tuners, right? Counting with those who still haven't posted their cars along with LanceVance entry.

Yep, it keeps growing . I didn't even have this many in the Clueless shootout

I hope the "newer" members enjoy this mini-shootout and sign up for Harvey's for a great turn out

 

[Michelin]

Yep, it keeps growing . I didn't even have this many in the Clueless shootout

I did reach 20 in my shootout.

 

[Motor City Hami]

I'm still finalizing things here on my end. Trying to insure that there is not only a large variety of cars to choose from but that as many of those cars as possible remain competitive. While we're still likely to find some ringers in the field I'm hoping they won't be overly obvious the way the Integras and Trial Celicas were last year.
That being said I'll get the Shootout rolling come the 5th with full rules and its own thread.:tup:tup:
I'm liable to "leak" a few more details here between now and then though if your all nice to me.

Why not just ban the Integras and Celicas from the start, rather than trying to set PP limits low enough to keep them out? Like you said, too tight of specs and you knock out some pretty cool cars (Mini, Focus, etc.).

 

[XDesperado67]

Why not just ban the Integras and Celicas from the start, rather than trying to set PP limits low enough to keep them out? Like you said, too tight of specs and you knock out some pretty cool cars (Mini, Focus, etc.).

Trust me it's not the PP that will keep them and others out on this one, and I think people will find more than enough cool cars anyways. They just may need to look a bit more for their picks instead of just grabbing the usual suspects.

 

[krenkme]

Why not just ban the Integras and Celicas from the start, rather than trying to set PP limits low enough to keep them out? Like you said, too tight of specs and you knock out some pretty cool cars (Mini, Focus, etc.).

Because if you put in a rule or restriction, people will debate it and what difference it makes and the meaning behind it and why its there and... sorry I needed to get that off my chest. Any rule the OP wants and states should be followed, so banning a certain car, or cars, should be left up the the host of the shootout. Just saying.

Red cars for my next shootout

 

[CSLACR]

The problem with banning certain cars, is that then we'll have new "usual suspects". (The next in line fastest)

I've spent quite some time trying to figure out ways to make a shootout with even 10 equal cars, and short of individual specs for each car, it's pretty much impossible imo. So to me, the shootouts are more about finding new good cars, and making them go faster than they've gone before.

 

[XDesperado67]

Okay guys I've decided to give out a little information about my FF Shootout mainly because I need some feedback here to set this up.
The Shootout will feature 2 classes and tunes will be able to enter both.
Class A is for FF cars with engine displacement under 1,000 CC.
Class B is for FF cars with engine displacement up to 1,500 CC.
(See not an Integra in sight and I didn't ban them specifically or limit PP yet!)

Okay I'm leaning towards allowing free use of both ballast and power limiter. That being said I'm having difficulty settling on the PP limits.
I've considered 405PP for Class A and 430PP for Class B but am worried that those are a bit low and to close to other recent events. Have alternatively thought of 425PP and 450PP.
I'm really open to suggestions here. A lower PP limit will help keep more cars at least competitive while higher limits will obviously allow for faster cars but may make for fewer competitive cars.

Since technically Class A cars also qualify for Class B I have also thought of placing a 900kg minimum on cars over 1 liter to see if some of the smaller cars can still be competitive in Class B at the higher PP level since they tend to gain a lot of PP simply due to weight and aero which with the relatively low PP levels really doesn't make up for their general lack of HP.

Thoughts and comments will be welcomed and happy hunting for your econo rockets.

Note:No racccars, RMs or Tuner Cars allowed. Also format will be similar to my Tons of Fun Shootout with 2 tracks and a drivers choice all being used to determine overall winner. Of course both tuners and test drivers may want to kill me when they see my track selections!

 

[VTiRoj]

The 1000cc division would do better if you kept it at 405PP. That division is going to have a lot of Kei cars and classic cars entered and not all of them can reach 425PP. Especially those 356cc Honda's that struggle to even achieve 100bhp.

1500cc... Honestly I'd push for 1600cc but that's just me. 450PP would work fine for 1500cc, there's a lot of cars that will fit nicely in that group. 👍

 

[XDesperado67]

The 1000cc division would do better if you kept it at 405PP. That division is going to have a lot of Kei cars and classic cars entered and not all of them can reach 425PP. Especially those 356cc Honda's that struggle to even achieve 100bhp.

1500cc... Honestly I'd push for 1600cc but that's just me. 450PP would work fine for 1500cc, there's a lot of cars that will fit nicely in that group. 👍

I made it 1,500CC because there are some 1,600CC cars I didn't want included plus there are enough good cars under 1,500CC that rarely get seen to make it interesting. This is partly an effort to get tuners to work with cars outside the normal culprits.

 

[krenkme]

I like the idea, and the way you have it divided. Only one question. Is there a way to see the CCs before you buy a car?

Looking forward to this

 

[trackripper123]

It's a novel idea and I think it could work. I don't personally agree with free use of power limiter and ballast though, say 10% and 30kg max.

Right I better get searching for cars then.

 

[VTiRoj]

I made it 1,500CC because there are some 1,600CC cars I didn't want included plus there are enough good cars under 1,500CC that rarely get seen to make it interesting. This is partly an effort to get tuners to work with cars outside the normal culprits.

Aw. I would've liked to have used a Civic Type R, guess I'm using a CR-Z then.

I like the idea, and the way you have it divided. Only one question. Is there a way to see the CCs before you buy a car?

Looking forward to this

Yes, both in the used and new dealership you'll be able to see the displacement of the car. 👍

 

[XDesperado67]

It's a novel idea and I think it could work. I don't personally agree with free use of power limiter and ballast though, say 10% and 30kg max.

Right I better get searching for cars then.

Excessive use of the power limiter tends to hurt more than give an advantage in most cases so I don't see a problem there. Plus I have reasons that will be clarified a bit when I post the Shootout.
As for ballast you get tradeoffs there as well, better weight distribution yes but the extra weight can also slow the cars acceleration and reduce cornering speed despite better weight distribution.
While the system is far from perfect I do feel that it generally does a pretty good job of balancing out things even when you don't highly restrict the use of ballast and power limiter.
Finally most of the recent Shootouts have had very tight restrictions on these things and this will be more about getting the best out of these cars than trying to work under very tight restrictions.

 

[trackripper123]

Fair enough, I see your points. Can't wait.

 

[CSLACR]

All of the FF's I really like are bigger than 1500cc's.

Guess I might be able to use my Honda Fit. (Or not, I never know what size half the cars I drive have for engines.


But with these engine sizes, knowing the cars that carry them, 400-420 range should be ok. 450PP is probably going to leave 2-3 cars that dominate. The faster the cars, the more handicapped low grip cars become, because wheel-spin starts happening, and power advantages lose some of their value as PP rises.

Excessive use of the power limiter tends to hurt more than give an advantage in most cases so I don't see a problem there. Plus I have reasons that will be clarified a bit when I post the Shootout.
As for ballast you get tradeoffs there as well, better weight distribution yes but the extra weight can also slow the cars acceleration and reduce cornering speed despite better weight distribution.
While the system is far from perfect I do feel that it generally does a pretty good job of balancing out things even when you don't highly restrict the use of ballast and power limiter.
Finally most of the recent Shootouts have had very tight restrictions on these things and this will be more about getting the best out of these cars than trying to work under very tight restrictions.

I do agree with this, it also limits the amount of eligible cars, which can potentially narrow the field down even further.