FITT - Moving on to GT6!

[XDesperado67]

Okay have new cell phone...
Hopefully this resolves most of my issues and I can get back to business around here!

 

[CyKosis1973]

Okay have new cell phone...
Hopefully this resolves most of my issues and I can get back to business around here!

Welcome back, now go build some cars..!!

{Cy}

 

[XDesperado67]

Welcome back, now go build some cars..!!

{Cy}

Currently doing so.

People are welcome to join me in my lounge if they want to see what I'm working on.👍👍

 

[CyKosis1973]

I'll be on later this evening (6-7pm GMT) eating Chinese and drinking beer later this evening, currently about to go to work, booooooo..!!

{Cy}

 

[Johnnypenso]

I have a couple of ideas to throw out there for future tuning challenges. I haven't followed all the previous challenges, so these may have been done already, if so, ignore me...lol.

1. A custom track challenge. I know, most custom tracks suck badly, but I've driven a few and made a few that are excellent tracks, with none of the silly hills and hairpins over the tops of hills type of thing. It would require everyone testing and tuning to friend the person with the track but I think it would add another dimension to things and shake up the formula a bit. It can be done but it would take a bit of planning and a little more lead time than the usual shootout.

2. A no ABS tuning challenge. It seems to be growing in popularity and I think some of the guys into no ABS driving could be encouraged to sign up as test drivers.

 

[CyKosis1973]

I have a couple of ideas to throw out there for future tuning challenges. I haven't followed all the previous challenges, so these may have been done already, if so, ignore me...lol.

1. A custom track challenge. I know, most custom tracks suck badly, but I've driven a few and made a few that are excellent tracks, with none of the silly hills and hairpins over the tops of hills type of thing. It would require everyone testing and tuning to friend the person with the track but I think it would add another dimension to things and shake up the formula a bit. It can be done but it would take a bit of planning and a little more lead time than the usual shootout.

2. A no ABS tuning challenge. It seems to be growing in popularity and I think some of the guys into no ABS driving could be encouraged to sign up as test drivers.

Liking Option 1, I'm a fan of well done custom courses. I'd venture that as a prelude to the event you hold a 'Track Shootout' and have track builders submit tracks, which we can then 'test' and decide which to use for the event ......... if that makes sense.

Option 2 I'm not overly interested in, but I suspect you may be able to whip up enough interest to run an event 👍

{Cy}

 

[praiano63]

I drive customs tracks since i discover the touge racing people and their Toscana custom tracks mostly.
I've downloaded 3 customs tracks from SolidSnake7735 more than a year ago and i drive them all the time to test low PP cars on sport or comfort tires.
Those tracks are wonderfull but very "touge" oriented with a lot of turns on a straight road generally .

I love your idea Johnny but i think we need to define the specifications like:
-Length
-Width
-Number of curves
Giving average numbers for all the specs. In my opinion.

I think ABS change after 2.09 or it's just a sensation. Before most of the cars were almost impossible to drive no ABS without very low brake balance settings values. Perhaps only the older cars with poor brakes were allowing this without problems. It's just a feeling, i'm not a specialist of this no ABS thing.
But, i have some cars like NSX R '92 , my touge 300 for example, that i drive most of the time without ABS now.
It's very challenging and very good to use the car like this inducing moves on a turny road, trail braking is really working like this. The only problem is that the poor perception you have in the game of the inertia don't allow you to perform strong braking as efficiently as with ABS 1 for example. This is the only problem, it turn you slower than others racers if you race mix settings.

I'll test it to have a better idea about this.

><(((((°>°°°°°°°

 

[Motor City Hami]

Liking Option 1, I'm a fan of well done custom courses. I'd venture that as a prelude to the event you hold a 'Track Shootout' and have track builders submit tracks, which we can then 'test' and decide which to use for the event ......... if that makes sense.

{Cy}

I love the track builder shootout. People could make them and we could hold a track poll to select the final track. Cool.

 

[XDesperado67]

I love the track builder shootout. People could make them and we could hold a track poll to select the final track. Cool.

Just had visions of a Touge stile track being used for a 400-425PP Cup Car shootout. Most of them are FF with no front aero.

 

[praiano63]

I've just tested braking situations with my 2 NSX , premium and Type R '92.

Same settings for both, 500PP sport soft , NO ABS, brakes set to 2/0.

The NSX R'92 is very easy to control but not the premium, principally when you don't drive straight.

I've checked also braking distance with NSX '92
from 250 kmh to zero braking under the starting line at monza with help of my first ghost.

Ghost 1: ABS 0 /BB 2/0
Ghost 2: ABS 1 /BB 2/0 = less 1 car.
Ghost 3: ABS 0 /BB 6/4 = less 1 car when i'm not spinning, very hard to use strong brakes.
Ghost 4: ABS 1 /BB 6/4 = less 3 cars, much more eficient brakes.

Just for info.👍

 

[CyKosis1973]

I love your idea Johnny but i think we need to define the specifications like:
-Length
-Width
-Number of curves
Giving average numbers for all the specs. In my opinion.

Add to that Track Type. I'm a big fan of the Eifel tracks (non-go-kart), not so keen on the Toscan ones, the surfaces causes me problems. I prefer the nice smooth tarmac of Eifel

I love the track builder shootout. People could make them and we could hold a track poll to select the final track. Cool.

I'd test all day long for a shootout like this. If we took a couple of select winners of previous events to use as test cars (e.g. your recent S2000, DigiB's road-going Celica, etc), we can duplicate/distribute the cars/tracks across a number of 'hosts' and have at it.

Just had visions of a Touge stile track being used for a 400-425PP Cup Car shootout. Most of them are FF with no front aero.

You have visions, I have nightmares, no Touge please, I'm too old for that shizzle...

{Cy}

 

[VTiRoj]

There was that touge shootout a while ago that used a custom Toscana track. It was a really well-done track so it'd be cool to have a shootout with a nice selection of good custom tracks. 👍 Also tracks can be downloaded from one person to another, so it wouldn't be too hard to get that sorted.

The no ABS tuning challenge will definitely bring in some new testers from the no ABS community. Best thing to do there is go into their dedicated thread and gather some interest there. 👍

Also how about a quick FITT FIT challenge one day? Give the Honda Fit and Jazz a division and the Spoon Fit another. And yes the entire idea revolves around playing off the whole FITT FIT thing.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I would be glad to be no ABS tuner + tester again, as on previous event as tester I have to use ABS, which was not my cup of tea, it's very hard to go back after doing ABS 0 for a long time I also realized that most of my tunes done without ABS were hard to drive or considered worse than most ABS tune out there ( blame my driving style ), a no ABS event would bring more of these kind of method of tuning and driving together and ABS 1 tuners + testers can enjoy ABS 0 in a relaxed way - not in a heated race.

If there's such event, I would join in a heart beat, maybe do simple line up of low PP cars, classic cars from the 60's to 80's with 400PP limit and comfort soft tires. This PP and tire combo is often used on no ABS races room. The track can be the shorter but technical, example : Madrid Mini, Cape Ring South, Nurb GP/D, Autumn Ring Mini, or any touge style custom track with less than 3 km in length. It will be quite hard to entice ABS drivers and tuners to participate, but there's always a start for everything

 

[Johnnypenso]

I love your idea Johnny but i think we need to define the specifications like:
-Length
-Width
-Number of curves
Giving average numbers for all the specs. In my opinion.


I'll test it to have a better idea about this.

Ghost 1: ABS 0 /BB 2/0
Ghost 2: ABS 1 /BB 2/0 = less 1 car.
Ghost 3: ABS 0 /BB 6/4 = less 1 car when i'm not spinning, very hard to use strong brakes.
Ghost 4: ABS 1 /BB 6/4 = less 3 cars, much more eficient brakes.
><(((((°>°°°°°°°

I combined two of your posts for brevity. Some general paramaters for the track would be a must and I believe that would include designing the track with the particular car/tire/pp level in mind. My thinking is to restrict it to one type of track, Eifel (my preference), Toscana etc. In the future, each type of track could have it's own shootout. In fact, you could have a two stage shootout, the first stage being the competition for the best track, the second of course being the car tune stage.

When it comes to BB's on the track,I am usually either 3/0 or 4/0 and with practice, I am within a couple of tenths of my ABS times. In the DeadNuts Club most of the guys run without ABS. Some are 3/1 or 4/2 and I know Rido uses really high settings like 9/8 with DS3. I have no idea how he does it but he does...lol. It's really a personal choice. My preference is that if I go beyond the limit in most braking situations, I'd rather the front lock up and push, than the rear whip around so I favour high/low settings. I find anything above zero on the rear causes me to spin when I make mistakes.

I suggest trying 4/0 at 400-450PP on CS to SH tires, and sticking to fairly neutral cars at first till you get used to it. Some cars are definitely easier than others and there are some corners that are really tricky, like the second corner at Suzuka. Undulating tracks like Deep Forest and Trial Mountain require very precise driving and braking. Any time you try to brake without ABS over a rise of some kind or an off camber corner it can get hairy, so sometimes you have to brake a little earlier.

 

[krenkme]

Has anyone heard from DigitalBaka? Nothing from twitter, facebook, and the events post has not been updated.

Just hoping he's okay, and he just got sick of dealing with us idiots

 

[XDesperado67]

Has anyone heard from DigitalBaka? Nothing from twitter, facebook, and the events post has not been updated.

Just hoping he's okay, and he just got sick of dealing with us idiots

He's been logging in on PSN but I've not talked to him recently. Not sure what's happened to him. Real life may have gotten to hectic for the moment...

 

[krenkme]

He's been logging in on PSN but I've not talked to him recently. Not sure what's happened to him. Real life may have gotten to hectic for the moment...

I forgot to check PSN.

Real life always seems to get in the way of the Fun ... but it's something that can't be avoided.

 

[VTiRoj]

Has anyone heard from DigitalBaka? Nothing from twitter, facebook, and the events post has not been updated.

Just hoping he's okay, and he just got sick of dealing with us idiots

As Rotary Junkie's #1 fan, he took it upon himself to undertake a grand quest in order to prove his loyalty to RJ. We may struggle to understand his motives, but in his head they are crystal clear.

On a serious note, he's likely just bogged down with real life stuff, or maybe his PC/laptop/phone/whatever-he-uses-to-access-GTP is broken?

 

[Onboy123]

His motive as RJ's top fan should be simple and clear. He has flown all the way to Detroit to hand deliver a brand new PS3 to his door step. Such is his dedication to RJ.

 

[NEWDRIVER2]

I text him twice when I saw him online 3 days ago but he didn't replay maybe someone else using his PSN or maybe he didn't saw the message I hope he is okay .
Life sometimes hard but we always looking forward to become easy with good things .

 

[Ronald6]

Station wagons! We need a station wagon shootout.

 

[Onboy123]

Station wagons! We need a station wagon shootout.

The "track" will be from the home to school, fastest to do the school run wins! I can see Desperado warming up his 950hp RS6 again.

 

[XDesperado67]

The "track" will be from the home to school, fastest to do the school run wins! I can see Desperado warming up his 950hp RS6 again.

The Dragon is the Wagon if you wanna go fast!

 

[Onboy123]

The Dragon is the Wagon if you wanna go fast!

I'll build my own Dragon from the East with the heart of Godzilla and just hope the track is something like London.

 

[XDesperado67]

I'll build my own Dragon from the East with the heart of Godzilla and just hope the track is something like London.

Sorry but the RS6 is in a class of its own as far as the wagons go unless the PP is set at 550 or below.

 

[Onboy123]

Sorry but the RS6 is in a class of its own as far as the wagons go unless the PP is set at 550 or below.

Eh, I know, but there are next to no wagons at all which can be taken beyond 600PP bar the Audi RS cars, I think.

 

[Ronald6]

I'll build my own Dragon from the East with the heart of Godzilla and just hope the track is something like London.

Tokyo should be the track, IMHO. Where else should Godzilla rampage?

 

[XDesperado67]

Tokyo should be the track, IMHO. Where else should Godzilla rampage?

R246 and the RS6 will destroy everything with its acceleration and top speed on the front straight.

 

[Onboy123]

R246 and the RS6 will destroy everything with its acceleration and top speed on the front straight.

I'd love to see it handle that tight, two lane section leading up to the final corner though…how much understeer and how many seconds would you lose there?

 

[XDesperado67]

I'd love to see it handle that tight, two lane section leading up to the final corner though…how much understeer and how many seconds would you lose there?

You forgeting how fast this Ol'Wallbanger has gotten it around Eiger? If I can get it through the hairpins there in good order the S-curve leading up to the final turn on R246 is a piece of cake.