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- Ziz528
...I want in! It's not fair, I hate having a defunct PS3...
FITT - Moving on to GT6!
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- 1,847
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- Ziz528
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- Ziz528
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- krenkme
Just some feed back on the next shootout please 
A new year is upon us and it is time to brake open the wallet and go racing with some classic race cars. And with classic cars come a classic shootout.
What is this?
--Time attack shootout at unsure at the moment (fastest wins)
--A drivers choice will be picked by the testers 👍
-- Each event is judged seperately not together (Time and Drivers choice)
This event will follow the F.I.T.T. Standardized Rules (found here) with these specific rules in place:
#1.) Cars are to be race cars pre-1971 (list to follow)
#2.) Race cars and RM cars okay
#3.) Cars are to be run on Racing hard Tires (or less)
#4.) 615pp is the limit the car can be at, but feel free to go lower
#5.) NO power limiting (because I don't want it, that's why)
#6.) Weight adjustments (a.k.a adding ballast) is up to you. Use as much, or little as you'd like
#7.) only ABS1 and driving line allowed, but please nothing else
#8.) Most important HAVE FUN!!!
List of cars that can be used
Alfa TZ2 Carrozzata da Zagato (Pebble Beach Award 2009) '65
2D Race Car '67
2J Race Car '70 (? maybe ?)
Chevy Camaro Z28 [RM] '69
Chevy Corvette Z06 (C2) Race Car '63
Dodge Challenger R/T [RM] '70
Ferrari 330 P4 '67
Ford GT40 Race Car '69
Ford Mark IV '67
Honda S800 RSC Race Car '68
Jaguar XJ13 '66
Toyota 7 Race Car '70
How it works
--Tuners sign up and submit a tune by the Deadline
-- Testers submit a time per car by the Deadline
-- Top average speed is the winner 👍
-- Tuners can also be test drivers
-- Testers will chose there top three drivers choice (please send my your choices by PM and I will publish them all at one time on the deadline, for a suprise feel)
--Top three drivers choice will be scored: 1st- 6pts, 2nd- 4pts, 3rd- 2pts
--If entry is over eight, groups of cars to test will be made. (i.e. two groups of four, testers only need to test a group), and a round two will be added.
Deadlines
**Tuner & Tester sign ups start - Jan. 2nd, 2013
**Tuners must submit tune and photo by - Jan. 11th, 2013
**Testers must submit times and drivers choice by - Jan. 21st, 2013
**Fast times, drivers choice, and prizes after Jan 22nd, 2013
all times are subject to change at the discretion of the event sponsor
Prizes
Tuners
First place - Any Premium tradeable Car (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
second place - Any Premium car under 500,000cr (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
Third place - Any Premium car under 250,000cr (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
fourth place - Any premium car under 125,000cr (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
Fifth place - Any Premium car under 75,000cr (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
Last place - Honda S 800 Race Car '68 (tuned by Clueless
Drivers Choice
First place - Any Premium tradeable Car (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
second place - Any Premium car under 500,000cr (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
Third place - Any Premium car under 250,000cr (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
Testers
fastest Lap - Any Premium car under 1,000,000cr (tuned by Clueless if you'd like)
ALL TESTERS!!! - Any Premium car under 500,000cr
-Well there it is, the the newest Clueless Classic shootout event. Lets go have some FUN!!!
*in case I missed something or the rules do not make sence, please feel free to point it out to me, or ask. Thank you.
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- Ziz528
The Toyota Race Car would be impossible to get down to 615 with no power limiting surely?
(As would a lot of the entries?)
(As would a lot of the entries?)
- 4,803
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- MotorCtyHamilton
I say ban the 2J and the Toyota or give them a handicap.
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- krenkme
trackripper123
I do believe you are right on the Toyota, but Most cars with oil change and brake in are about 610-630pp and adding ballast would put them in the range.
Motor City Hami
I'm not sure they car reach the pp level, but I'll look into banning them or as you said, handicap them somehow
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- Johnnypenso
I do believe you are right on the Toyota, but Most cars with oil change and brake in are about 610-630pp and adding ballast would put them in the range.
I'm not sure they car reach the pp level, but I'll look into banning them or as you said, handicap them somehow
I'd also ban the 2J. Even if you handicap it, and it wins, it just means you didn't handicap it enough. It doesn't really belong with the other cars in the contest with it's invisible downforce.
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- paracuru
- praiano63
I think it's better take time and do all this cars one by one. This would be a real tuning competition and the result surely will be a great improvement to each car.
All this last shootouts don't mean anything about the tuner's hability to tune the fastest car of the contest. No miracles, each car have his own capacity.
Most of us choose a car depending of a personal preference , this mean that you can't compare results. The classification after each shootout don't mean a lot to me, even if i win a few.
I would like to see a lot the adrenaline tuner contest back. 1 car X severals tuners.
This is the only way to push the tuning at the limit close to the perfection.
This is what i think about the direction we need to take in the future.
Less heteroclite shootouts , more results for all the GTPlayers.
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All this last shootouts don't mean anything about the tuner's hability to tune the fastest car of the contest. No miracles, each car have his own capacity.
Most of us choose a car depending of a personal preference , this mean that you can't compare results. The classification after each shootout don't mean a lot to me, even if i win a few.
I would like to see a lot the adrenaline tuner contest back. 1 car X severals tuners.
This is the only way to push the tuning at the limit close to the perfection.
This is what i think about the direction we need to take in the future.
Less heteroclite shootouts , more results for all the GTPlayers.
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- GTP_Orido
How about specific car tuning then, with different level of PP, for example Lancia Stratos from 400PP on SH, the 450pp on SM, 500pp on SS, then 500+pp on RH ?
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- MotorCtyHamilton
The other side of that coin is that as a community, we would be tuning fewer cars overall. What I like about the current competitions is the variety of cars selected. There are cars that I have driven for our current FITT Race Car Challenge that I just would not have gotten around to drive. For three of the 625PP entries, the tunes are so good that I don't ever plan to build my own tune for them - just use the entered tune and go racing. I would hate to lose that and switch exclusively to one make challenges.
Maybe we should alternate between one make challenges and open car selection challenges?
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- Johnnypenso
Praiano has a point, the tuning challenges don't really show who is the best tuner, just who picked the best car and if someone else picked it then you are better than they are. My first contest was in the S2000 and there were several others and that was cool. The second I used the Audi R8 and no one else did and it had 4wd and lots of downforce and that's the main reason I did well with it.
Hami's point is also well made, in that the competitions as they are, provide a wealth of data on a variety of cars, and a body of tunes for the GTP users to try if they so choose and I agree, there is room for both. At least twice a year, maybe 3 or 4 times as a true, one car, tuner shootout, perhaps with a couple of varying tire/pp/track combos.
While we're at it, I also think you guys should have a couple of Nurb Shootouts each year as well. It's by far the most popular track in the game, the one requiring the most tuning focus and should be a regular on the schedule in my opinion.
By the way Praiano, I had to look up "heteroclite" never heard that word before...
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- paracuru
- praiano63
By the way Praiano, I had to look up "heteroclite" never heard that word before...
Haha
yes , i do this all the time, i speak and write perfectly portuguese and french. So, when i write in english and when i want to express something and i don't know the english word, i take the word in french or portuguese ,check in the dictionary if it exist and write it down.
.It's a very used adjective in french.
Heteroclite: adj. Deviating from ordinary forms or rules; irregular; anomalous; abnormal.
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- WrecklessAbandon
Love hearing this, I've been contemplating ways to make the shootouts less of a "best car" contest.
One thing a little different I want to do is make a "spec cars" shootout, in which I'll do my best to equal out a group of cars and use them for a shootout.
At this point there are at least 5 groups of roadcars that it can be done with, GT500's I already have, and I'm using the current shootout as a starting ground to add a handful of cars to the GT300 class.
I want to look into specing a group of cars around SCCA specs, mixing FWD with RWD together.
Anyway it seems like it'd be neat to use a group of different cars set to a PP where they're competitive and hold a shootout with them, yes?
Dunno if DB's around atm, but I guess I'll call dibs on next in line awhile.(behind those already in line of course)
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- MotorCtyHamilton
For my Rally Vs. Street shootout, I built one of every entry then drove them in stock form. I don't think that shootout ended up about car selection. If you want to do a SCCA style shootout, maybe a number of us need to drive cars and send you feedback to help with car equalization.
For this current rece car shootout, I threw it together very quickly becasue I wanted to play with race cars and noone else was ready. I didn't spend time driving any of them and we are seeing that car of choice is affecting the results. I don't think that discounts the top finishing tunes. In any of these competitions, choosing the overdog doesn't give you the win automatically. The top finishers are still great tuners.
Car selection has been a fun part of these. Let's not totally lose that. I chose my 500PP entry simply because I like that car. I don't care where it finishes. I chose my 625PP entry based on what I thought could win. I would have tuned a Zonda but I didn't have one. I didn't think anything would beat the Zonda.
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- Barefoot_Driver
Dictionary.com 👍
We do already have a mix of multi-car shootouts and single car shootouts. I've run two single car shootouts myself (Caterham and Cobra) and I plan to continue. I wouldn't mind others joining on the single car shootout bandwagon. Oh, yes, and the GT86 shootout.
I think my Bond shootout didn't gain much following, and the Wagon idea was mostly a joke. How about a Mazda RX-7 GT-Limited (FC, J) '85 or a Nissan Fair lady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130) '78 shootout?
We do already have a mix of multi-car shootouts and single car shootouts. I've run two single car shootouts myself (Caterham and Cobra) and I plan to continue. I wouldn't mind others joining on the single car shootout bandwagon. Oh, yes, and the GT86 shootout.
I think my Bond shootout didn't gain much following, and the Wagon idea was mostly a joke. How about a Mazda RX-7 GT-Limited (FC, J) '85 or a Nissan Fair lady Z 280Z-L 2seater (S130) '78 shootout?
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- XDesperado67
- XDesperado67
Ginetta G4s on the Ring...seperate the men from the boys!
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- Johnnypenso
Here's an interesting concept that plays off this idea. Tuners pair off into groups, maybe 2, or 3 or 4. Pick 2 or 3 or 4 different cars that you spec as close to each other, cars that might be likely to show up in a race together online. RX-8 vs. RX-7 vs. S2000 for example.
The team gathers and decides who will tune what car. Tuning team with the best overall score wins and individual tuners with the best tunes of each car in the contest also win. Because each tuner only tunes one car, the number of tunes and the amount of testing is the same, but it would be easy to break the groups up into 1/3's so that testing could be done in smaller batches
You could easily spice it up by varying the PP levels for each car and tire compounds. S2000's at 450PP and CS tires, RX-8 at 475PP on SH tires, RX-7 at 500PP on SM tires for example.
You could also kick it up a whole other notch by doing a fantasy draft type of deal. You have a list of say 20 tuner entries and if you can figure out a way to rank the tuners you would allow the lowest rank tuner to pick his tuning partner first. That way guys can team up either with their buddies or what they think is the best available tuner. That would prevent two top tuners from joining together and being unbeatable. It could also help out the newer tuners to be paired up with someone more experienced in helping them tune their rides for the contest.
Ginetta G4s on the Ring...seperate the men from the boys!
Or the Fireblade!!
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- Barefoot_Driver
Ginetta G4s on the Ring...seperate the men from the boys!
You sadistic son ...
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- MotorCtyHamilton
Ginetta G4s on the Ring...seperate the men from the boys!
Let's just go right to the Yellow Bird.
Onboy123
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Onboy123
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- Onboy123
Fully tuned Yellow Bird, on the lowest grip tire CH, no ABS or other aids, at Nurburgring 24H, rain with 100% water, how's that for killing every test driver
Every test driver apart from you, you mean?
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Onboy123
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- Onboy123
Well, I'll survive with half throttle going less than 60mph for the whole lap and set the slowest lap time ever on Yellow Bird
There's no slowest, since everyone's been killed.
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- MotorCtyHamilton
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