FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge

[Motor City Hami]

I can't get them loose enough with the tires we're given. I'm trying, but it's not happening.

Friend said, tell em how the real car is set up. I said okay.

I run 1.5" wider tires on the front, and they're harder than the rear. Imagine 9.5" wide RM on front, and 8" wide RS on back. Cause they are just like that. 500 lb front spring with no sway bar, 450 lb rear spring with a 22mm bar. Car weighs 1695 pounds full wet. Idea for the skinny softer rears is to get some heat for ultimate grip. But it's mostly loose outta control until things settle in.

Cheers guys. 👍

Do you do SCCA events or another organization for autocross? I will be at Mid-Ohio a few times this summer at SCCA Regional races.

My first race car was a 1986 Honda Civic. I had 27mm OPM torsion bars up front, which equated to 350 lbs springs, if I remember correctly. Then we'd run anywhere between 400 lb and 600 lb on the rear with 19mm rear bar. If you wanted to run anything bigger for springs in the back you'd have to switch from Tokico shocks to something much more expensive, like Penske shocks. Rear toe out was the trick to get that thing to rotate.

I may just have to tune the '80s Civic in this competition just for kicks.

 

[Pete05]

Do you do SCCA events or another organization for autocross? I will be at Mid-Ohio a few times this summer at SCCA Regional races.

My first race car was a 1986 Honda Civic. I had 27mm OPM torsion bars up front, which equated to 350 lbs springs, if I remember correctly. Then we'd run anywhere between 400 lb and 600 lb on the rear with 19mm rear bar. If you wanted to run anything bigger for springs in the back you'd have to switch from Tokico shocks to something much more expensive, like Penske shocks. Rear toe out was the trick to get that thing to rotate.

I may just have to tune the '80s Civic in this competition just for kicks.

This is sort of off topic for this thread but the mention of Autocross took me back 29 years to my first Motorsport event.
The Autocross I did was on a dirt circuit of around 2km in length, 1 car against the clock in a Datsun 1600 (Nissan Bluebird/P510).
I was friends with a guy from a rallying family. He had older brothers who rallied & would pass on to him their well worn secondhand parts. He would fix them up as best he could within his budget, which wasn't much & put them on his car.
I couldn't tell you what the spring rates, shockers or stabilizers were but what I do remember is just how interchangeable parts were from other Datsuns.
The 1600 had an L18 head to bump the compression ratio, twin 40mm DCOE Weber carburettors, the front struts & 5 speed gearbox from a '73 Skyline and a welded diff centre for added traction. I also remember it was a stinking hot day that gave us temperature problems & required regular top ups of the radiator. I don't recall where we were place overall at the end of the day but I managed to beat him with consistency after he had the mutha of all spins nearly wiping out a temporary tyre wall.

 

[coryclifford]

Autocrossed for eight years. 👍

Been a while.

 

[Woodski_427]

Please don't don't my words as complaints, I'm just trying to understand. But really, I don't get the point. Are we not looking for the best pair?

👍

It's not so much about finding the best cars as making the best tunes. But in order for the competition to work in with timed laps, the cars need to be fairly close. Otherwise with most tuners being the competitive type, you'd end up with a field mostly of the same car.

The FITT comps, while being serious about the tunes, are also about a bit of fun and variety. You'll see in most events, though, that this kind of fiddling isn't necessary.

If you're testing, I expect you'll be glad not to drive 30 Focuses, a Step van and a Fiat 500 around Monaco for 2 days .

 

[coryclifford]

👍

But I would do it. I signed up.

 

[shaunm80]

@Motor City Hami - Was we supposed to put something on our tune sheets when they have been finalised and are ready for use by testers should they decide to jump in early?

 

[DaBomm4]

Tuners can post early tunes to the thread. Once they are ready for test drivers to start with their tune, tuners should add a line to the tune post saying "Complete - ok to test." Once that phrase is posted under your tune, no changes will be allowed. I will take a screen grab of each tune once that line of copy is posted to it.

@Motor City Hami - Was we supposed to put something on our tune sheets when they have been finalised and are ready for use by testers should they decide to jump in early?

Here you go. I added it to my post here instead though.

 

[shaunm80]

Here you go. I added it to my post here instead though.

Thank you, Much appreciated @DaBomm4.

I have added this line to the tunes in my garage and to the post in this thread.

 

[fordracer]

Just have to put the finnishing touches on my pair. Will start testing this week as soon as I post my tunes. Looking forward to it.

 

[Bowtie-muscle]

3:53 combined with some time to shave I hope, in the ball park or still behind?

 

[DaBomm4]

3:53 combined with some time to shave I hope, in the ball park or still behind?

That sounds about right for you, I'm behind that, about 3:58.

 

[coryclifford]

3:52.2

 

[CSLACR]

I really expected more from the Focus ST170 after all the hype, the old Fiat is hopeless. Makin' my way through the cars...Odyssey is fun and pleasantly 4wd.

 

[coryclifford]

Focus is fast. Can't deny it.

But the '13 is a wreck.

 

[fordracer]

Wow! Guess I'm in the hunt. 3:54.

 

[Otaliema]

Right 3:51 target time.
Fair warning to the testers I'm not going to do nice and friendly this time, I'm going for broke full out TT and hope for the best.

 

[DaBomm4]

Right 3:51 target time.
Fair warning to the testers I'm not going to do nice and friendly this time, I'm going for broke full out TT and hope for the best.

 

[Otaliema]

Yeah I'm on

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Yeah I'm a tad worried lol have you driven my full blown TT tuneS recently? They are fast as sin but hard as 🤬 to drive.

 

[Slender_Man]

Hoping to post my tunes at some point in the next 24hours

 

[Lionheart2113]

Right 3:51 target time.
Fair warning to the testers I'm not going to do nice and friendly this time, I'm going for broke full out TT and hope for the best.

I had the same thought, but I decided to go the other way. I posted a tune yesterday in my garage, but after doing some "soul searching", I decided to be nice to the testers. Maybe not as fast/aggressive, but I can live with it, more importantly, so can the testers...



1:56.890
Still bounces off the redline in 2nd more than I'd want, but hey, options are limited for automatic transmissions.

 

[DolHaus]

Yeah I'm on

Yeah I'm a tad worried lol have you driven my full blown TT tuneS recently? They are fast as sin but hard as 🤬 to drive.

Its a front wheel drive, what's the worst it can do?

 

[OdeFinn]

I had the same thought, but I decided to go the other way. I posted a tune yesterday in my garage, but after doing some "soul searching", I decided to be nice to the testers. Maybe not as fast/aggressive, but I can live with it, more importantly, so can the testers...




1:56.890
Still bounces off the redline in 2nd more than I'd want, but hey, options are limited for automatic transmissions.

Red lap, but good balance there. (4 wheels on curb on chicane). Definitely will lap more .56's

 

[brian wolf]

3:53 combined with some time to shave I hope, in the ball park or still behind?

Still behind!

Seriously though, I`d expect your tunes to be there or there abouts come crunch time.

My VWs are nearly done. Its been quite odd having the sticky tyres on the lower powered car and finding the right balance has been tricky. Loving the challenge though! 👍

 

[OdeFinn]

450pp CRZ done, last test done online :


410pp CRX on validating phase, checking if it's easy enough and kinda quick.
On my hands totals average 3:51.7, lucky me at I'm not fast driver.

 

[coryclifford]

Looks good, OdeFinn. I got a good feeling about those Hondas.

I have to start all over. I just got a steering wheel! Wow what a difference.

 

[OdeFinn]

Looks good, OdeFinn. I got a good feeling about those Hondas.

I have to start all over. I just got a steering wheel! Wow what a difference.

Wheel makes this game worth of it.
In order of appearance on settings for ffb sens etc powers: 6/6/10 feels good, but is not too ruff,
I'm using also "power assisted steering" and "simulation" from options menu. Some say that simulation has no effect, but doesn't hurt to put on.

 

[Lionheart2113]

Red lap, but good balance there. (4 wheels on curb on chicane). Definitely will lap more .56's

Now you know why I'm not a tester on this one!

Edit:

Man, that is close...well spotted. It would have really tick me off if I was running a :55 lap!

 

[coryclifford]

I got it on simulation and 0/10/10. My arms are tired after one day. Most of which was spent in the Toyota TS030. Love that car. Race car has no power steering and those huge tires, so that's how I'm doing it. So far, I'm faster with the sticks, but getting very close to my times already.

Here's my new set up. Passenger seat from the Honda.

 

[Lionheart2113]

I got it on simulation and 0/10/10. My arms are tired after one day. Most of which was spent in the Toyota TS030. Love that car. Race car has no power steering and those huge tires, so that's how I'm doing it. So far, I'm faster with the sticks, but getting very close to my times already.

Here's my new set up. Passenger seat from the Honda.

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Lucky 🤬!!!
Thats a nice setup!

 

[Otaliema]

I had the same thought, but I decided to go the other way. I posted a tune yesterday in my garage, but after doing some "soul searching", I decided to be nice to the testers. Maybe not as fast/aggressive, but I can live with it, more importantly, so can the testers...



1:56.890
Still bounces off the redline in 2nd more than I'd want, but hey, options are limited for automatic transmissions.

You can fix the transmission of you try

Its a front wheel drive, what's the worst it can do?

Wait and see.

I got it on simulation and 0/10/10. My arms are tired after one day. Most of which was spent in the Toyota TS030. Love that car. Race car has no power steering and those huge tires, so that's how I'm doing it. So far, I'm faster with the sticks, but getting very close to my times already.

Here's my new set up. Passenger seat from the Honda.

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Nice set up. If your handy with a saw you could make a pedal stand to angle them to help your feet your feet out.