FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge

Which pair of cars is the best looking of the bunch?


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I think I remember Martin Brundle saying something like "If you think you know how much these apartments cost; add an extra zero to your best guess." :eek:
Not surprised you can't drive down a street there with out seeing a dozen super cars.
So $10,000 a month for a studio? Lol those can run up to $3000 where I live so I think that's a fair guess.
Speaking super cars saw an i8 today at the mall. Sexy car very VGT body style.
 
Not surprised you can't drive down a street there with out seeing a dozen super cars.
So $10,000 a month for a studio? Lol those can run up to $3000 where I live so I think that's a fair guess.
Speaking super cars saw an i8 today at the mall. Sexy car very VGT body style.

Lol at the thought of a studio in Monaco.

Edit: I bet that's where Manor/Marussia drivers live....
 
Is it me or does the '13 Focus ST wheelspin a lot???
No matter the Diff settings....
Yes, loads of it. Most everyone had severe issues with it in the Focus Challenge. I could not get the outside front to stop, so my thought was to try and use it, it was fast-ish, but not a comfy ride. Have you gone to the other settings to try and calm it down yet? (I'm having the same issues with the CRX) ;)

Edit: Even more issues with it bouncing off the redline in 2nd gear.:banghead:
 
Yes, loads of it. Most everyone had severe issues with it in the Focus Challenge. I could not get the outside front to stop, so my thought was to try and use it, it was fast-ish, but not a comfy ride. Have you gone to the other settings to try and calm it down yet? (I'm having the same issues with the CRX) ;)

Edit: Even more issues with it bouncing off the redline in 2nd gear.:banghead:
Gearing is fine for mine (at least i think it is). It just cant make up its mind on which tyre too light up :lol:
 
Gearing is fine for mine (at least i think it is). It just cant make up its mind on which tyre too light up :lol:
If you look at my LSD Accel settings for that challenge, I went with outside front.👍 But most testers said they didn't like that the tire was roasting around 90% of the lap, and I can agree with that. I blame the tuner & track!
 
If you look at my LSD Accel settings for that challenge, I went with outside front.👍 But most testers said they didn't like that the tire was roasting around 90% of the lap, and I can agree with that. I blame the tuner & track!
I agree with you on the track :lol: probably lack of time on it since the Long GT3 races on it...
I'll spend more time experimenting on the Diff tonight :)
waiting on others to start dropping their tunes before i do. Don't like being first to post in these events :embarrassed::lol:
 
I could not get the outside front to stop, so my thought was to try and use it, it was fast-ish, but not a comfy ride. Have you gone to the other settings to try and calm it down yet? (I'm having the same issues with the CRX) ;)

If you look at my LSD Accel settings for that challenge, I went with outside front.👍 But most testers said they didn't like that the tire was roasting around 90% of the lap, and I can agree with that. I blame the tuner & track!

I'll spend more time experimenting on the Diff tonight :)
waiting on others to start dropping their tunes before i do. Don't like being first to post in these events :embarrassed::lol:

There is solution, but it is spiritual. ;)
Please don't reply this, this is not ment for arguing.
Camber+ caster+ toe along with LSD and right gearing are things what will stop skidding(don't forget height, dampers or springs).
When I put my tune you'll see why I'm not smoking around track, if you visualize how suspension moves during cornering you'll understand exactly my setup.
There is three different approach on suspension, trying to get advantage on incoming(braking), mid-corner, or exit, all are different, making good compromise between them is only job to do.

This wasn't for arguing, so please don't take it like that, after my tune is out and you have tested it and you disagree with it working, then let's speak about it, and If having more than comment Please take comment to other proper thread. Thanks and sorry.
 
There is solution, but it is spiritual. ;)
Please don't reply this, this is not ment for arguing.
Camber+ caster+ toe along with LSD and right gearing are things what will stop skidding(don't forget height, dampers or springs).
When I put my tune you'll see why I'm not smoking around track, if you visualize how suspension moves during cornering you'll understand exactly my setup.
There is three different approach on suspension, trying to get advantage on incoming(braking), mid-corner, or exit, all are different, making good compromise between them is only job to do.


Even with all of those tuning adjustments at your disposal, some cars in the game cannot be fully fixed. I am finding a few car where minimizing wheel spin is the best that can be done. Test drivers may need to have a light throttle foot through some sections of the course.
 
Even with all of those tuning adjustments at your disposal, some cars in the game cannot be fully fixed. I am finding a few car where minimizing wheel spin is the best that can be done. Test drivers may need to have a light throttle foot through some sections of the course.
Throttle control? 🤬 That puts me out, but I agree, there are huge benefits with being able to do that.
 
Even with all of those tuning adjustments at your disposal, some cars in the game cannot be fully fixed. I am finding a few car where minimizing wheel spin is the best that can be done. Test drivers may need to have a light throttle foot through some sections of the course.
Or hard to achieve, ie. when running problems with excessive spin due high torque you have always gearing what you can adjust to moderate torque. Always there will come problems when amount of tire grip is not enough, then only choice left is modulate throttle pedal :)
 
It doesn't matter what badge is on the grille, trying to put power to the ground (even half the power of a Focus ST), is going to present problems in a front-wheel-drive car irrespective of what diff trickery is used. Physics is working against you for a start!
Today's edition of the Victorian (Australian) Herald Sun published a review of the 2015 Focus ST and, surprise surprise, the writer experienced the exact same problem.
 
Me being 1 of the worst time/tune. I'd probably say 6-8 hours per tune. I know it's terrible!:dunce:
Same here, I can get a car figured out within about 2hrs (how it wants to be driven and how it responds to changes) but I'll spend a good 8 or so hours after that fiddling with it and trying out different ideas. I'll keep working on it until every change I make results in loss, that's when you know its ready
 
There is solution, but it is spiritual. ;)
Please don't reply this, this is not ment for arguing.
Camber+ caster+ toe along with LSD and right gearing are things what will stop skidding(don't forget height, dampers or springs).
When I put my tune you'll see why I'm not smoking around track, if you visualize how suspension moves during cornering you'll understand exactly my setup.
There is three different approach on suspension, trying to get advantage on incoming(braking), mid-corner, or exit, all are different, making good compromise between them is only job to do.

This wasn't for arguing, so please don't take it like that, after my tune is out and you have tested it and you disagree with it working, then let's speak about it, and If having more than comment Please take comment to other proper thread. Thanks and sorry.
Having trouble smoking tires? I can help with that. :cool:

:lol:


Courious, how many laps, (or hours, or in my case days) do each of you think you will have invested in tuning your "pairs"?
Currently zero. :( I haven't gotten to build a single car yet.
 
Courious, how many laps, (or hours, or in my case days) do each of you think you will have invested in tuning your "pairs"?
So far, 1 hour for the new car, 2.5 hours for the old car. Then the car got revised so I have to start again with the tuning process to get the most out of it. It will be another 2.5 - 5hours of tuning for the oldie I think. another 1 - 2 hours of tuning for the new car as I experiment with a good base set up.
 
From @DolHaus Sig. The internet: Like giving a group of 5yr olds a fart machine and a megaphone and telling them there's a prize for being the most annoying

Now That's Funny!!!


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Good One 👍
 
Here is my mini family. They are virtually done. I am happy with the overall lap time and pretty confident I have tuned these to the best of my ability at the moment. Like with all good assignment work, i've put these down for the night and will have one last drive of them tomorrow. If I am still happy with them. I will publish them this weekend.

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@fordracer once I get a chance I will probably out 6-8 hours per car if I have that much time.
I've been known to put 20+ hours in to a non-FITT tune. @shaunm80 and I logged close to 50 hours on our BRZ we just published.

@shaunm80 nice cars. Nice a shiny and dent free you obviously put them in the shop before the photo shoot :lol:
They had a spray paint during the testing phase. I wanted them to be green to match their racing pedigree. I hadn't dinged a wall at the time of the photo shoot. After the photo shoot, they had a few dents and the paint wasn't shiny anymore. I can get that sorted out later though.

My new mini took about 2 and a half hours to get sorted, the older mini took longer. I hope they still feel the same tomorrow when I get them out the garage again.

The BRZ tune did take a while but it was definitely worth the time and effort put into it.
 
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