- 4,079
- Brooklyn, Wi
- krenkme
Oh please *insert your higher being*, no Fords! I need my under powered, goofy looking, Honda(s)!
FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge
- Thread starter Motor City Hami
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Oh please *insert your higher being*, no Fords! I need my under powered, goofy looking, Honda(s)!
- 5,618
- Ohio
I say keep everything as it is, get it on, and get it over with, and get on with another one.
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
I drove all of the old cars tonight and also received some test data from a few others. Thank you for sharing. I do think that the Ford Focus was a little bit of an overdog, but still worth keeping in the competition. The pre-1980's cars needed some drastic help. When I added Sport Hard tires to them, they felt more like the 90's and 2000's cars. I also made some PP adjustments to even things out a bit. When altering PP levels, it will never be totally equal as each of us have differing driving styles and differing tuning methods. My hope is that these new settings create a more diverse field. The Focus should still be competitive, but now it is a more difficult choice to walk away from some of the others.
Fiat 500 F '65 - Sport Hard Tires 450 PP
Ford Focus ST170 '03 - Comfort Soft Tires 400 PP
Honda Civic 1500 3 door 25i '83 - Comfort Soft Tires 415 PP
Honda CRX SiR '90 - Comfort Soft Tires 410 PP
Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 - Sport Hard Tires 425 PP
Peugeot 206 S16 '99 - Comfort Soft Tires 410 PP
VW Golf I Gti '76 - Sport Hard Tires 385 PP
Honda Life Step Van '72 - Sport Soft Tires 421 PP and Oil Change
There will be no changes to the newer cars at 450 PP. They are all pretty close with one possible overdog that is paired with one of the more difficult to tune older cars.
I will update the OP with these new regulations and extend the tuner deadline by a few days. Thanks for everyone's input and patience.
Fiat 500 F '65 - Sport Hard Tires 450 PP
Ford Focus ST170 '03 - Comfort Soft Tires 400 PP
Honda Civic 1500 3 door 25i '83 - Comfort Soft Tires 415 PP
Honda CRX SiR '90 - Comfort Soft Tires 410 PP
Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 - Sport Hard Tires 425 PP
Peugeot 206 S16 '99 - Comfort Soft Tires 410 PP
VW Golf I Gti '76 - Sport Hard Tires 385 PP
Honda Life Step Van '72 - Sport Soft Tires 421 PP and Oil Change
There will be no changes to the newer cars at 450 PP. They are all pretty close with one possible overdog that is paired with one of the more difficult to tune older cars.
I will update the OP with these new regulations and extend the tuner deadline by a few days. Thanks for everyone's input and patience.
- 7,163
- Exeter
- morans1980
No complaints from my end. Looks like I can get back on with tuning the Mini up again and seeing how it does with the new regs.
Edit: Just tested the new regs for the Mini 1.3i. With a new base setup, I am now breaking into 2.03s which is good enough for me. I can see some more improvement in terms of setup and time so I'm back on track now with my Mini adventure. Granted, this car isn't as fast as the Ford but I have never been one to pick the fastest car in these competitions. Thank you Hami for spending the time to balance the oldies out so they can compete.
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- 2,274
- Denmark Odense
- jacquet16
Hey . like to test those tunes if I may .
- 7,163
- Exeter
- morans1980
It is always good to have more testers for these competitions.Hey . like to test those tunes if I may .
I am sure that you will be added to the tester roster soon enough.
- 2,643
- Finland
- OdeFinn
425pp Mini goes after 5 min tuning 1:57.928 on second test lap.. On same range with others?
Stock settings on FC GB, expecting with bit tuning on suspension and gearbox to get it on 1:56.low.
Edit: added video, and tuned during upload focus 400pp, it did on second lap 1:58.763
Stock settings on FC GB, expecting with bit tuning on suspension and gearbox to get it on 1:56.low.
Edit: added video, and tuned during upload focus 400pp, it did on second lap 1:58.763
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- 1,485
- Hampshire
- Lionheart2113
- 3,688
- United Kingdom
- SlenderMan_FSR
I'm currently around the 1:57.6xx mark with my ST170, I think that's quite good for me knowing I dislike the track and rarely tune fwd's 
- 2,643
- Finland
- OdeFinn
No turbo if recalling right, and if there was it should be visible on replay too. I did several oldies on row, that's why not so sure, making car to that point takes about max 15 min.Did you install a turbo on the Mini or is that revealing secrets?
- 1,485
- Hampshire
- Lionheart2113
Everyone is entitled to one stupid question a day, I'm hoping that question is it for me...although there is still daylight. Been a long week already.
- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
It's good to see feedback that the car changes have put all older cars into a similar competitive window. Now its just down to finding a pair that you enjoy and think can win in combination.
For the record, there will be no more performance adjustments from here forward. The cars are what they are from here forward. Car selection got more fun, in my opinion. I am torn between four of the eight sets.
I also extended the tuner due date to Wednesday, May 13 to make up for any lost tuning time while PP changes were being made.
For the record, there will be no more performance adjustments from here forward. The cars are what they are from here forward. Car selection got more fun, in my opinion. I am torn between four of the eight sets.
I also extended the tuner due date to Wednesday, May 13 to make up for any lost tuning time while PP changes were being made.
- 7,163
- Exeter
- morans1980
Thats good to hear. Thank you for the extension. I have a feeling I may need it this time around.
feydrautha
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- 604
- Georgia
- fydrautha
Count me in if it's not too late.
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- 4,803
- Dearborn, MI
- MotorCtyHamilton
I think I have captured everyone who has wanted to sign up as a tuner and/or tester. Let me know if I missed anyone. Tuner sign ups will be open until the very last day, May 13.
- 5,618
- Ohio
Interesting. Time to hunt. Gotta be a car with a new change done to it.
Since you said it first, that was the 1:55 car I mentioned.
- 1,485
- Hampshire
- Lionheart2113
I'll take the keys to these please! I've only done the LSD and transmission so far for the CRX, but I'll hopefully have some time on this long weekend to sort the other stuff out. (Fingers crossed)
- 7,163
- Exeter
- morans1980
Looks like there will be a nice selection of tunes going toe to toe for this competition.
- 3,867
- Saltash
- Dolhaus
Looks like we'll be going toe to toe in the CR's 👍
- 7,163
- Exeter
- morans1980
I am going to be getting my tuning head on this weekend. Uni lectures have commenced again this week and already, I am snowed with reading, assignment preparation and article hunting to finish off my assignment due in next week. Thankfully, my Mini's are in pretty good shape already, an hour or two of tinkering and they'll be ready for publishing.
Out of interest, is anyone else going with the Mini pair? I have a feeling I am not the only one using them but it would be nice to know who I am in direct competition with.
Out of interest, is anyone else going with the Mini pair? I have a feeling I am not the only one using them but it would be nice to know who I am in direct competition with.
- 5,618
- Ohio
This feels like a game of poker all of a sudden. 
- 2,643
- Finland
- OdeFinn
I have bad feeling at I'm not competing for fastest time.. Oldie finalized, bit polish and now to younger piece.. Six was dream, but touching it is not enough.This feels like a game of poker all of a sudden.
