FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge

Which pair of cars is the best looking of the bunch?

  • Fiat 500 F '65 and 500 1.2 8V Lounge SS '08

    Votes: 14 23.0%

  • Ford Focus ST170 '03 and ST '13

    Votes: 12 19.7%

  • Honda Civic 1500 3 door 25i '83 and Civic Type R (EP) '04

    Votes: 6 9.8%

  • Honda CRX SiR '90 and CR-Z @ '10

    Votes: 5 8.2%

  • Honda Life Step Van '72 and Odyssey '03

    Votes: 3 4.9%

  • Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 and Cooper S '11

    Votes: 6 9.8%

  • Peugeot 206 S16 '99 and 207 GTi '07

    Votes: 5 8.2%

  • VW Golf I Gti '76 and Golf Gti '05

    Votes: 10 16.4%
  • Total voters
    61
krenkme
PS3 is packed away, internet disconnected and TVs are packed as well. Big move on Friday, unpack on the weekend. If time permits we'll see if both krenks can test :scared:

@Pete05 , yes. Just throw it in the trunk :dopey:
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I hate moving. I'm so glad we are done forever barring a total loss of the house. Good luck with the move I hope it goes as well as ours did. Only one box had two things get broken in it.
 
sorry for the double post. updated list of all tunes posted through post #451
FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge at Côte d’ Azure​

@787bcgr - Golf I and V

@Bowtie-muscle -Civic 1500 3 door and Type R (EP)

@brian wolf -Golf I ‘76 and V ‘05

@CSLACR - Honda Life Step Van and Odyssey

@coryclifford - Civic 1500 & Type R

@DaBomm4 - Focus ST170 and ST ‘13

@DolHaus - Civic 1500 and Type R

@feydrautha -Fiat 500F and 500 1.2 8V

@fordracer - Peugeot 206 and 207

@krenkme Honda Life Step Van '72 and Odyssey '03

@Lionheart2113 - Honda CR-X and CR-Z

@Motor City Hami - Golf I '73 and V '05

@OdeFinn - CRX and CR-Z

@Otaliema - Mini 1.3i and Cooper S

@shaunm80 -Mini 1.3i and Cooper S


@sinof1337 - Honda Life Step Van and Odyssy

@Slender_Man -Focus ST 170 and ST ‘13


Edit:Added @DolHaus cars
Edit; Added @sinof1337 cars
Edit; added @coryclifford cars
Edit; Added @CSLACR and @Motor City Hami cars
Edit; Added @fordracer cars

Edit; removed some problematic elements from the spoiler text in the BB code to ensure no problems with transferring to and from another text form. such as Word or Google Doc's

Final Edit; Removed non-submitted tuners from the list.

**I realized I can use this as my testing sheet template so I will continue to update till all tunes are posted. Hami is doing a wonderful update on the tune main post,so if you find this lay out conducive to your tastes for a feed back form click the spoiler button and you will a BB code post that you can copy and paste into another document to edit as you test the cars. If you choose to use the template just enter times, DC score and your feedback (impressions) in the correct spots the links and tagging will take care of it's self when you post it here, just use the more options button so you can preview and correct and formatting errors when you transfer it over***

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[USER=218540]@787bcgr[/USER] - Golf [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fitt-old-vs-new-hatchback-challenge.327520/page-15#post-10692040]I and V [/URL]
Golf I Lap time: DC:
Golf V Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=172987]@Bowtie-muscle[/USER] -Civic [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/bowties-speed-shop-seasonal-tunes-fitt-tunes-and-muscle-cars.311172/page-25#post-10678483]1500 3 door[/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/bowties-speed-shop-seasonal-tunes-fitt-tunes-and-muscle-cars.311172/page-25#post-10678490]Type R (EP)[/URL]
1500 3 door Lap time: DC:
Type R Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=257146]@brian wolf[/USER] -Golf [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/volkswagon-golf-i-gti-76.1417/]I 76[/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/volkswagon-golf-v-gti-05.1416/]V 05[/URL]
Golf I Lap time: DC:
Golf V Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=154062]@CSLACR[/USER] - Honda [url=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/honda-life-step-van-72.1457/]Life Step Van[/url] and [url=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/honda-odyssey-03.1473/]Odyssey[/url]
Life Step Van Lap time: DC:
Odyssey Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes

[USER=7425]@coryclifford[/USER] - Civic [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fitt-old-vs-new-hatchback-challenge.327520/page-16#post-10696038]1500 & Type R[/URL]
1500 3 door Lap time: DC:
Type R Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=231957]@DaBomm4[/USER] - Focus [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ghost-salvage-tunes-new-month-new-tune.296931/page-3#post-10661228]ST170[/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ghost-salvage-tunes-new-month-new-tune.296931/page-3#post-10661229]ST 13[/URL]
ST170 Lap time: DC:
ST Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=222905]@DolHaus[/USER] - [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fitt-old-vs-new-hatchback-challenge.327520/page-16#post-10694500]Civic 1500 and Type R[/URL]
1500 3 door Lap time: DC:
Type R Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=250082]@feydrautha[/USER] -Fiat [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/arrakis-speed-shop-updated-4-27-15-49-beetle-66-beetle-karmann-ghia-daihatsu-midget.293734/page-20#post-10693231]500F[/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/arrakis-speed-shop-updated-4-27-15-49-beetle-66-beetle-karmann-ghia-daihatsu-midget.293734/page-20#post-10693268]500 1.2 8V[/URL]
500F Lap Time: DC:
500 1.2 Lap Time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=265596]@fordracer[/USER] - Peugeot [url=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fitt-old-vs-new-hatchback-challenge.327520/page-16#post-10696467] 206 and 207 [/url]
206 S16 Lap Time: DC:
207 GTi Lap Time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=187273]@krenkme[/USER] Honda [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fitt-old-vs-new-hatchback-challenge.327520/page-15#post-10693880]Life Step Van 72 [/URL]and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fitt-old-vs-new-hatchback-challenge.327520/page-15#post-10693951]Odyssey 03[/URL]
Life Step Van Lap time: DC:
Odyssey Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes

[USER=231817]@Lionheart2113[/USER] - Honda [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/nevergiveup-garage-fitt-old-v-new-challenge-cr-x-cr-z.302113/page-6#post-10664641]CR-X and CR-Z[/URL]
CR-X Lap time: DC:
CR-Z Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=83292]@Motor City Hami[/USER] - Golf [url=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/page-29#post-10696276] I 73[/url] and [url=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/motor-city-tunes-gt6.291066/page-29#post-10696282] V 05[/url]
Golf I Lap time: DC:
Golf V Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=197110]@OdeFinn[/USER] - [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/o-d-engineering-dusty-garage-newest-beetlejuice-re-balanced-lsd-ctr-btr.321014/page-2#post-10671554]CRX[/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/o-d-engineering-dusty-garage-newest-beetlejuice-re-balanced-lsd-ctr-btr.321014/page-2#post-10689560]CR-Z[/URL]
CR-X Lap time: DC:
CR-Z Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=243097]@Otaliema[/USER] - Mini [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/mini-cooper-1-3i-98.1458/]1.3i[/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/mini-cooper-s-11.1461/]Cooper S[/URL]
1.3i Lap time: DC:
Cooper S Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=197477]@shaunm80[/USER] -Mini [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/exeter-gt-tuning-updated-with-new-seasonal-setups.300860/page-259#post-10661956]1.3i [/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/exeter-gt-tuning-updated-with-new-seasonal-setups.300860/page-259#post-10661957]Cooper S[/URL]
1.3i Lap time: DC:
Cooper S Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

[USER=261339]@sinof1337[/USER] - Honda [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/fitt-old-vs-new-hatchback-challenge.327520/page-16#post-10695411] Life Step Van and Odyssy [/URL]
Life Step Van Lap time: DC:
Odyssey Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes

[USER=180909]@Slender_Man[/USER] -Focus [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/thecardboardbox-gt6-tuning-%E5%B3%A0touge-%E6%B9%BE%E5%B2%B8wangan-vgts-and-whats-this-snake-posted-a-tune.292688/page-8#post-10672307]ST 170[/URL] and [URL=https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/thecardboardbox-gt6-tuning-%E5%B3%A0touge-%E6%B9%BE%E5%B2%B8wangan-vgts-and-whats-this-snake-posted-a-tune.292688/page-8#post-10672307]ST 13[/URL]
ST170 Lap time: DC:
ST Lap time: DC:
Impression of tunes;

 
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FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge
Syracuse - Night_1.jpg


Honda Civic 1500 3door 25i '83​

Wheel / Joypad: PS3 controller
Power: 173 BHP @ 7000 Rpm / 20.0 kgfm @ 5000 Rpm
Weight: 835 kg
Performance Points: 415 PP
Tires: CS
Weight Distribution: 54:46

Suspension : (Height-Adjustable, Fully-Customisable Suspension)​

Ride Height: Front: 130 Rear: 100
Spring Rate: Front: 3.22 kg Rear: 2.74 kg
Dampers (Compression):Front: 6 Rear: 10
Dampers (Extension): Front: 7 Rear: 2
Anti-Roll Bars: Front: 6 Rear: 7
Camber Angle (-): Front: 0.0° Rear: 0.1°
Toe Angle: Front: 0.25° Rear: -0.20°
Brakes: F: 5 R: 7

Drivetrain: (Fully Customisable Transmission)​

(fit all power parts first)
Set final to 3.250
Set max speed to 99

Speed: 99 mph

1: 4.295
2: 3.075
3: 2.460
4: 2.045
5: 1.750

Final: 2.500

Differential Gear:Fully Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Diff​

Initial Torque: F= 6
Acceleration Sensitivity: F= 18
Braking Sensitivity: F= 7
Clutch & Flywheel: Standard
Propeller Shaft: Standard

Power​

Oil Change: No
Power Limiter: 99.6%
Engine Tuning: Stage 3
Computer: Sports
Exhaust: Racing
Exhaust Manifold: Isometric
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Intake Tuning: Standard
Turbo Kit: Stage: Standard
Nitrous Oxide (N2O): No

Body​

Body Rigidity Improvement: No
Downforce: F = 0 R = 0
Weight Reduction: Stage 3
Bonnet: Standard
Windows: Standard
Ballast: 110kg
Ballast position: 50

Syracuse - Night_3.jpg

Honda Civic Type R (EP) '04​

Wheel / Joypad: PS3 controller
Power: 251 BHP @ 8300 Rpm / 23.8 kgfm @ 6800 Rpm
Weight: 996 kg
Performance Points: 450 PP
Tires: CS
Weight Distribution: 61:39

Suspension : (Height-Adjustable, Fully-Customisable Suspension)​

Ride Height: Front: 105 Rear: 70
Spring Rate: Front: 4.40 kg Rear: 8.20 kg
Dampers (Compression):Front: 6 Rear: 7
Dampers (Extension): Front: 7 Rear: 1
Anti-Roll Bars: Front: 4 Rear: 5
Camber Angle (-): Front: 0.0° Rear: 0.0°
Toe Angle: Front: 0.30° Rear: -0.30°
Brakes: Racing Upgrade F: 6 R: 7

Drivetrain: (Fully Customisable Transmission)​

(fit all power parts first)
Reset Transmission
Set max speed to 130

Speed: 130 mph

1: 3.825
2: 2.375
3: 1.825
4: 1.500
5: 1.285
6: 1.1.25

Final: 4.764

Differential Gear:Fully Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Diff​

Initial Torque: F= 6
Acceleration Sensitivity: F= 19
Braking Sensitivity: F= 7
Clutch & Flywheel: Triple Plate
Propeller Shaft: Standard

Power​

Oil Change: No
Power Limiter: 99.9%
Engine Tuning: Standard
Computer: Sports
Exhaust: Sports
Exhaust Manifold: Standard
Catalytic Converter: Standard
Intake Tuning: Standard
Turbo Kit: Stage: Low RPM
Nitrous Oxide (N2O): No

Body​

Body Rigidity Improvement: No
Downforce: F = 0 R = 0
Weight Reduction: Stage 3
Bonnet: Carbon
Windows: Weight reduction
Ballast: 0 kg
Ballast position: 0
 
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Otaliema
sorry for the double post. updated list of all tunes posted through post #451

FITT Old Vs. New Hatchback Challenge at Côte d’ Azure​

@787bcgr - Golf I and V

@Bowtie-muscle -Civic 1500 3 door and Type R (EP)

@Brewguy44 -

@brian wolf -Golf I ‘76 and V ‘05

@CSLACR -

@coryclifford -

@DaBomm4 - Focus ST170 and ST ‘13

@DolHaus - Civic 1500 and Type R

@feydrautha -Fiat 500F and 500 1.2 8V

@fordracer -

@krenkme Honda Life Step Van '72 and Odyssey '03

@Lionheart2113 - Honda CR-X and CR-Z

@Motor City Hami -

@OdeFinn - CRX and CR-Z

@Otaliema - Mini 1.3i and Cooper S

@shaunm80 -Mini 1.3i and Cooper S

@Slender_Man -Focus ST 170 and ST ‘13

@xande1959 -


Edit:Added Dolhaus cars
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Thank you. That saved me a ton of time.
 
So with @sinof1337 entering at the last minute, that means if we get all tunes, and run 10 laps per car, we will be looking at 380 laps at Côte d' Azure. average of say 2:00 a lap *factoring in things going horribly wrong every few laps pushing the cars hard* 12:40 of track time plus 3:10 build time *five minutes per car* almost 16 hours to test......yessh I think we might need a bit more time @Motor City Hami. I missing my morning drive time keeping on eye on my son, mystery bug bite wanted to make sure it wasn't serious. It's not so no need to panic.

3 hours a day drive time for me 6 week days to test I don't play on weekends. I think I might have to bribe my kids to let me play longer in the morning :lol:
 
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krenkme
”Little Guy”

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Based on the Honda Life Step Van '72


414pp

108hp

540kg

58/42 weight distribution


GT Auto
Sports soft tires
Height-Adjustable Suspension
Fully Customizable Transmission
Fully Customizable LSD
Stage 3 Engine
Sport Computer
Racing Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust Manifold
Catalytic Converter :Sports
Intake Tuning
High RPM Range Turbo
Stage 3 Weight Reduction
Window Weight Reduction



ABS=1
Everything Else Off


TUNE


Ride Height- F= 140 R=100
Spring Rate- F= 3.00 R= 4.00
Compression- F= 1 R= 10
Extension- F= 10 R= 1
Anti-roll Bars- F= 1 R= 7
Camber- F= 0.0 R= 0.5
Toe Angle- F= -0.25 R= (-)0.15
Brakes- F= 5 R= 6


*Please tune Trans in this order
Final- 6.500
Max Speed- 56mph
1st- 3.850
2nd- 3.000
3rd- 2.300
4th- 1.850
5th- 1.540
Final- 3.570


LSD FRONT 8/30/5


Power Limiter= 100.0%

Ballast- 0 @ 50


Tuner Notes
Slooooooooowwwwwwwwwwww!:dopey:
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Sorry Krenkme I hope you didn't spend too much on the paint, the cakes in the back survived.
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Alright, about 120 laps later, just today, I'm done tinkering and decided enough of this, time to post.

Sorry, my post won't be as fancy. :cheers:



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Civic 1500 3door 25i '83

Suspension
100/90
2.00/4.97
2/7
4/3
2/7
0/0
0/-1.00

Brakes
5/7

Transmission
99 mph (full left)
3.777 FD

Diff
15/15/5

Power
100%
Engine Tune 3
Computer Sport
Exhaust Racing
Ex Mani Sport
Cat Sport
Intake Sport

Body
Ballast 155
Position 0
Weight 3

415pp
186hp
880kg
59:41
155 fl-lb
4.73 kg/hp

👍

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Civic Type R (EP) '04

Suspension
90/80
3.00/10.00
2/10
3/4
2/7
0/0
0/-1.00

Brakes
Standard
5/7

Transmission
112 (full left)
4.200FD

Diff
8/11/5

Stage 3 clutch

Power
Computer Sport
Exhaust Sport
Low RPM Turbo
99.9%
(coincidentally I think the same as DolHaus? Torque for the hill!)

Body
Stage 3
Hood
Windows

450pp
251hp
996kg
61:39
173 ft-lb
3.96 kg/hp

Cheers guys 👍
 
Loving the redo on the tune post. Looks great 👍

just a suggestion, if you take the hard return out between the images they will be side by side which will help with the length of the post, just a space or two inbetween the url close and img tag so they have white space between them. If that looks odd try the [center] at the start of the post to center everything.
 
Peugeot 206 S16 '99
Champion Blue
Enkei 5spoke wheels..std size

performance points...410PP
Max Power...............171
Weight....................903kg
front/rear weight 62 : 38
tires.........comfort soft

SUSPENSION.....Fully customized
Ride height..................120/120
Spring Rate................4.75/1.90
Dampers Comp................4/3
Dampers Ext...................5/2
Anti-roll Bars...................2/5
Camber Angle...............1.0/3.0
Toe Angle...................0.12/-0.30
Brake Balance.................4/3

TRANSMISSION
Max speed 137
Final 3.789
1st...........2.715
2nd..........2.084
3rd...........1.646
4th...........1.379
5th...........1.160
6th...........0.979
Final.........3.789

LSD 5/13/5

POWER Limiter.....96.0
Engine Tuning Stage 1
Sports Computer
Sports Exhaust
Sports Catalytic Converter

Body
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Body Color Carbon Hood
Window Weight Reduction

All other parts are STD.

Peugeot 207 GTi '07
Champion Blue
Boyd Coddington wheels..Std size

Performance Points.......450PP
Max Power...................241hp
Weight......................1,040kg
Front/Rear Weight.........62:38
Comfort Soft Tires

SUSPENSION......Fully Customized
Ride Height...................105/105
Spring Rate.................5.20/2.10
Dampers Comp................4/4
Dampers Ext...................5/3
Anti-roll Bars..................2/5
Camber......................0.5/3.0
Toe Angle.................0.16/-0.30
Racing Brakes...............4/5

TRANSMISSION
Set final to 5.00...max speed to 112
1st........................2.657
2nd.......................2.092
3rd.......................1.681
4th.......................1.416
5th.......................1.195
6th.......................1.019
Final......................3.420

Triple Plate Clutch
LSD.............18/14/25

Power Limiter......98.3
Engine Stage 1
Sports Computer
Sports Exhaust
Sports Catalytic Converter
Intake Tuning

BODY
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Carbon Hood (body color)
Window Wight Reduction
Ballast Weight.....10kg
Position -50

All other parts standard

Good Luck Test Drivers.....Enjoy!
 
Motor City Hami
Tuners


@787bcgr - VW Golf GTI



@Bowtie-muscle - Honda Civic





@Brewguy44 - TBD

@brian wolf - VW Golf GTI




@CSLACR - Honda Vans


@coryclifford - Honda Civic




@DaBomm4 - Focus




@DolHaus - Honda Civic




@feydrautha - Fiat




@fordracer - Peugeot


@krenkme - Honda Vans




@Lionheart2113 - Honda CRX/CRZ


@Motor City Hami - VW Golf GTI


@OdeFinn - Honda CRX/CRZ




@Otaliema - Mini




@shaunm80 - Mini




@sinof1337 - Honda


@Slender_Man - Focus




@xande1959 - TBD
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All tune links are updated. Waiting on two tuners, unless I missed them; @Brewguy44 and @xande1959

Let me know I missed your tune post or if you need a few more hours. If you can be in early on Wednesday, I will count you in.

I also extended the testing deadline by a bit.
 

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