Fly Me To The Moon Tuning Garage

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Section 6: Aero and Ballance

I’ve just made a temporary sheet untill I finished the preceeding ones.

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Section 7: Suspension

This part I’m still working on, I want to be able to either do the setup from scratch or use GT6 quicktune so that those who want to use it can.

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Section 8: Posting Data Sheet

Here all the info from the tuning will come in with your final setup. The pic is the way I chose to have it , but you can have it listed any way you want.



Section 8: Compiler

Final chapter, a place where all the important data will be placed, than transferred to a data sheet that would include all the cars tuned. I need ideas to know what would be useful to have included.


If you think it's useless or useful, what's missing, what could be better, or any constructive comment please feel free to post it.

 

[XS]

It seems fairly involved. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're trying to create a general unified theory of tuning - one master plan that will create the perfect tune for any car tested. It would be interesting if it worked. I have not tested your exercise from start to finish, so I do not know how it would all work or fit together. I will give everything a serious look over once I have more free time. I haven't even had the PS3 on for more than an hour in almost a week. But I'm excited to see you pull everything together.

 

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It seems fairly involved. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're trying to create a general unified theory of tuning - one master plan that will create the perfect tune for any car tested. It would be interesting if it worked. I have not tested your exercise from start to finish, so I do not know how it would all work or fit together. I will give everything a serious look over once I have more free time. I haven't even had the PS3 on for more than an hour in almost a week. But I'm excited to see you pull everything together.

I was seeing it more like a Swiss army knife type of file, a place where you can record your testing and have it available for comparison later on, or to share with others. I'm trying to make it so that it could be useful to most tuners. An example of the type of data shared that what be useful would be in the powering up of the car, if let's say that I tune a Mustang Mach 1 and fill in all the data of the added parts with their their new HP and torque values, and someone else would want to do a tune with this car, then they could use the data that has already been done by me, ex.;

This kind of data is useful to choose the parts to power up a car, and it is a the same for everyone using that car. I've been putting a bit of time on this section and I've seen that I could get differences of more than a second per lap by choosing the right/wrong setup, I figure it's important like all the other components used to tune a car. Thanks to DolHaus I've started a RPM/HP/Torque chart that should help see where our power lies with the different gears, almost finished filling in the equations and will be testing it soon, then I'm off to the transmission. I also figure that by doing all of this it should help me understand the physics of GT6 and become a better tuner. Now you know why I haven't put out too many new tunes. Most of the work done so far needs to be refined, I'm really a beginner at Excel, it would have been good if I had Acces to compile all the sections but you do with what you have. If ever you do have some time and want to see what is working well and very important what is not working well, I would be pleased to send you a copy so that you could look at it. It's really hard to see what your mistakes are when you don't know or understand fully what you are doing, tuning and spreadsheet wise. Take care and thanks for dropping by.

 

[XS]

I would be thrilled if you could send me a copy. Can you upload it in a PM? Like I said it will be a while before I can get to it, so no hurry. But it's definitely a good way to fine tune settings, parts, and tunes!

 

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I would be thrilled if you could send me a copy. Can you upload it in a PM? Like I said it will be a while before I can get to it, so no hurry. But it's definitely a good way to fine tune settings, parts, and tunes!

I'll PM you a link to jump-share, but before I'll write up some instructions for you to use, should be able to that sunday or monday, and there is no rush, thanks for the help, take care.

 

[SCER]

Thank you so much for the Supra 3.0 '88 tune! I've been struggling with it for some time and had already given up on it a few times but your tune for it is great, after making a few tweaks to suit my preferences it I finally have something that no longer feels like a two tonne grand touring barge

By the way your tune is the only one for the '88 Supra on the whole database, so congrats I guess

 

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Thank you so much for the Supra 3.0 '88 tune! I've been struggling with it for some time and had already given up on it a few times but your tune for it is great, after making a few tweaks to suit my preferences it I finally have something that no longer feels like a two tonne grand touring barge

By the way your tune is the only one for the '88 Supra on the whole database, so congrats I guess

Thanks for taking the time to leave a word, it's always very appreciated. It's also nice to see there are others who like these close to vintage cars. Since you seem a bit interested in tuning, I'll be putting out a thread in the Tuning Forum this weekend or monday at the latest that will have different spreadsheets to test tuning setups, you might like that . Take care and have a great day.

 

[SCER]

Thanks for taking the time to leave a word, it's always very appreciated. It's also nice to see there are others who like these close to vintage cars. Since you seem a bit interested in tuning, I'll be putting out a thread in the Tuning Forum this weekend or monday at the latest that will have different spreadsheets to test tuning setups, you might like that . Take care and have a great day.

Cheers, you too!

 

[randyrockstiff]

Here are a couple of tools some of you might like
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To download the spreadsheets:
Power Upgrade Calculator:http://jmp.sh/SqMkHU7
Multi Calculator:http://jmp.sh/3UcaSR1
Good day to you all.

it doesnt seem to be available for download bro

 

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it doesnt seem to be available for download bro

I've just tried it and I was able to download them, did you click on the "wheel", you should have the options available there, if your still having problems I'll try to find another way of sending them to you.

 

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Citroen 2CV Type A '54 for 2CVGB Race at Silverstone National

This is my first journey in the world of Replica’s, it’s based on the 2CV’s they use in the 2CVGB race at Silverstone National Circuit. Since there are no 4 gear box available for this car, I used a 5 gear box but set the 5th out of reach. The winners, Cowling and Bousfel had a best lap of 1:27.621, my personal best was 1:27.371 so it may be over tuned a bit. If you don’t use Manual Transmission it might be difficult to reach those lap times do to the fact that the down shifting on the automatic transmission is, let’s say a bit archaic. If there are mistakes in my setup please feel free to tell me, would be very useful. Oh important ABS=0, you really don’t need more. You will find on the next post the "Rules & Regulations" for the race.

Just would like to take the time and space to give @Ridox2JZGTE a big thank you , for your precious time, help and patience you've given me on this project, I do hope it's at least 50% up to your standards, my best regards to you .

SETUP:

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2CVPARTS.com CHAMPIONSHIP 2014

 

[Thorin Cain]

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Citroen 2CV Type A '54 for 2CVGB Race at Silverstone National

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This is my first journey in the world of Replica’s, it’s based on the 2CV’s they use in the 2CVGB race at Silverstone National Circuit. Since there are no 4 gear box available for this car, I used a 5 gear box but set the 5th out of reach. The winners, Cowling and Bousfel had a best lap of 1:27.621, my personal best was 1:27.371 so it may be over tuned a bit. If you don’t use Manual Transmission it might be difficult to reach those lap times do to the fact that the down shifting on the automatic transmission is, let’s say a bit archaic. If there are mistakes in my setup please feel free to tell me, would be very useful. Oh important ABS=0, you really don’t need more. You will find on the next post the "Rules & Regulations" for the race.

Just would like to take the time and space to give @Ridox2JZGTE a big thank you , for your precious time, help and patience you've given me on this project, I do hope it's at least 50% up to your standards, my best regards to you .

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Woo hoo, finally a car even I can drive with ABS=0....and beat the target time, got 1:27.155 (Auto transmission too).Sorry bud

You're so right about the downshifting though, it was like waiting on a glacier thawing Thankfully I only had to do it twice or I'd probably still be out on track somewhere

Who'd have though you could have so much fun in a car with the same Bhp as a food blender? Well to be honest, me, that's why I wanted to try it and I was not disappointed. It sure ain't going to break any land-speed records but it flies through the turns....well, when I say it flies...you know what I mean.

Good job on your first replica man, very fun car. I going to have to make all my friends buy one for some crazy one-make races now.

Thanks for sharing dude

 

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Woo hoo, finally a car even I can drive with ABS=0....and beat the target time, got 1:27.155 (Auto transmission too).Sorry bud

You're so right about the downshifting though, it was like waiting on a glacier thawing Thankfully I only had to do it twice or I'd probably still be out on track somewhere

Who'd have though you could have so much fun in a car with the same Bhp as a food blender? Well to be honest, me, that's why I wanted to try it and I was not disappointed. It sure ain't going to break any land-speed records but it flies through the turns....well, when I say it flies...you know what I mean.

Good job on your first replica man, very fun car. I going to have to make all my friends buy one for some crazy one-make races now.

Thanks for sharing dude

WOW, someone tried it, and he can drive. Thanks for the review, if you ever do make that one make race can you give me the results I'll post it here as the first 2cv replica race. Just want to say thank you for those wednesday morning posts, I'm still laughing, great way to start a day.

 

[Thorin Cain]

Hey man, was just in checking out your worksheets. You sure have done quite a bit of work while most of us were tuning and retuning cars due to PD and their 🤬 physics changes. Some interesting stuff going on up there

Also, I had a good trawl through Google Images to try and find you a picture for your Nissan Skyline Sport Coupe (BLRA-3) '62. I can see why you're struggling to find one....just about every one I came across was a photo from GT5/6. Plus one or two from that other console's flagship racing game (Don't you love how PD have put their GT logo up in the corner in a pretty unobtrusive manner and that other lot make sure everyone knows at a quick glance they are looking at a computer game image:tdown:.) Can you believe that? (Well I guess you can, as you've probably been looking in the same place. ) There was a couple that weren't but they were really, really boring publicity shots. Don't suppose you want one of those do you?

 

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Hey man, was just in checking out your worksheets. You sure have done quite a bit of work while most of us were tuning and retuning cars due to PD and their 🤬 physics changes. Some interesting stuff going on up there

Also, I had a good trawl through Google Images to try and find you a picture for your Nissan Skyline Sport Coupe (BLRA-3) '62. I can see why you're struggling to find one....just about every one I came across was a photo from GT5/6. Plus one or two from that other console's flagship racing game (Don't you love how PD have put their GT logo up in the corner in a pretty unobtrusive manner and that other lot make sure everyone knows at a quick glance they are looking at a computer game image:tdown:.) Can you believe that? (Well I guess you can, as you've probably been looking in the same place. ) There was a couple that weren't but they were really, really boring publicity shots. Don't suppose you want one of those do you?

Yup, the BLRA might just get pulled out, but I do have an idea, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of time, effort and hard walls to get it to look like something that's worth fixing. As for those sheets, yeah some major learning curve I've been on, will put out some on going experiments as soon as they are finished, sometimes we put a lot of effort for a mere trickle of knowledge, still better than nothing but....

 

[Thorin Cain]

Yup, the BLRA might just get pulled out, but I do have an idea, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of time, effort and hard walls to get it to look like something that's worth fixing. As for those sheets, yeah some major learning curve I've been on, will put out some on going experiments as soon as they are finished, sometimes we put a lot of effort for a mere trickle of knowledge, still better than nothing but....

Well, they do say every day is a school day! There's no such thing as too much knowledge, but I can sympathise with you for ages to find very little. It has to suck a bit but I look forward to seeing what you have discovered on your quest.

I think I had the same idea about the BLRA, it'll only take me a lap round the ring though....or a couple of laps at HSR with 10/10 camber

 

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There are experiments or tests that we do that sometimes give us more than what we wanted, this one is in the other category. The idea was to have a spread sheet where you would enter the top speed of a car on any track and it would tell you the top speed for every track. ( I hear the song "Dreamer" by Supertramp in the background.) It would have been useful for multiple transmission setups for customers. Alas this didn't work out as expected, the data still has some minimal value but not the value of the effort it took to collect it.

The only use I've found so far is that it gives you a general picture of which tracks go well with a particular transmission setup. On the First sheet you'll have to add the 'Sort' function to regroup them in the right order.

I use to put a link for people to download the novelties I did, but after hundreds of downloads from those novelties I've received far too little feedback, closer to 1 than 2. So no more freebies, the price is you have to make the demand here on this thread and I will send it to you ASAP by GTP/MAIL. So if your not a member well now is the time to become one and join us.



The data is on an excel spreadsheet, you can do whatever you want with it. If you find some useful things to do with it, it would be greatly appreciated to have your thoughts/ideas/feedback.

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[XS]

Dang man! I applaud your effort in getting that data! I think it should be recognized how much work you do with GT6. I think you had a brilliant idea with your transmission work. I hope something good comes of it. Keep the ideas rolling man, you're a friggin' juggernaut!

 

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Dang man! I applaud your effort in getting that data! I think it should be recognized how much work you do with GT6. I think you had a brilliant idea with your transmission work. I hope something good comes of it. Keep the ideas rolling man, you're a friggin' juggernaut!

Well thank you very much, but what's even greater than the compliment is hearing from you. I'll always be grateful for your kindness and patience you've given me . I'm still doing quite a bit of testing and have a few projects rolling but these things take so much time. I'm also having quite a bit of fun with a good group of tuners, and have found a couple who may be just as crazy as me. I love the CoTM and have enjoyed it quite a bit but I do miss the Difficult Car of THe Month. I would like to know if you could perhaps add this tune to your Replica section:Citroen 2CV Type A '54 Replica 298PP SH, my first replica. I'm working on a new project with Thorin Cain and we should get things started pretty soon, it may take a couple of weeks to get the first cars rolling out, I think it will add a new dimension to the tuning forum, at least for originality and fun. Sorry if I don't drop off as much as I use to, I've been so busy with all these projects that I hardly notice time pass. ... and I'm having a ball with these new

smilies, just too many of them.

 

[xande1959]

I can say the lord and king of the spreadsheets, all well explained but that work, term to be greater than a fisherman "patience". congratulate.

 

[XS]

Well thank you very much, but what's even greater than the compliment is hearing from you. I'll always be grateful for your kindness and patience you've given me . I'm still doing quite a bit of testing and have a few projects rolling but these things take so much time. I'm also having quite a bit of fun with a good group of tuners, and have found a couple who may be just as crazy as me. I love the CoTM and have enjoyed it quite a bit but I do miss the Difficult Car of THe Month. I would like to know if you could perhaps add this tune to your Replica section:Citroen 2CV Type A '54 Replica 298PP SH, my first replica. I'm working on a new project with Thorin Cain and we should get things started pretty soon, it may take a couple of weeks to get the first cars rolling out, I think it will add a new dimension to the tuning forum, at least for originality and fun. Sorry if I don't drop off as much as I use to, I've been so busy with all these projects that I hardly notice time pass. ... and I'm having a ball with these new

smilies, just too many of them.

As always, I appreciate the kind words. I'll be honest, time has been the bane of me the last few months. With the new job, my free time is directly dictated by the financial calendar. When it's the end of a financial quarter, I have absolutely no time. I'm lucky if I can update at all during those E.O.Q. months. I do wish I was doing the Difficult Car thread again, especially as I have come across some cars that I just can't seem to tune well haha.
I will certainly add your Replica. Actually I've been working on a little project for the replica's page. I wanted to spruce it up some and pay a little tribute to Ridox and the Real Replica guys. I wish more tuners did replica's and I am thrilled that you have done one! Cheers!

 

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These tests came about when working on my "Car Emulator" project. I wanted to find a spring rate compensation factor when changing from one tire compound to another. Still not there but working on it.

This first series of tests was done with 2 different cars with the tires CH to RS, I then worked out a ratio between the different tire changes you could make. Ex.: CH to SM , multiply by 1.12564078 .



Another thing I wanted to know was where the rain tires situated themselves compared to the other tire compounds on dry road conditions. These were all 12 lap runs, I kept the Best Lap, 3 Lap Average, & 5 Lap Average. The % Difference is the difference in % between the Best Time and the one you are looking at. Calculation goes as: [Time] - [Time * % Diff.]= Fastest time.

The scale section is where on a scale of (0) to (10) does the tire situate itself, (0) being the slowest time and (10) being the fastest time.


I have 2 more series of tests going on, one which is the same as this but on wet road conditions with all of the tire compounds available. The other is a bit more complex since it involves finding the tires limit grip for a certain weight and speed. All comments and ideas are welcomed, enjoy .

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[steve nfs]

Volkswagon Sambabus Typ2 (T1) '62 ( 418PP/SH ) Tuned for National B / 400PP Clubman (500PP limit)
Tuned Pre Version 1.09

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I purchased this one because my girlfriend loves them and I can't afford a real one. It is one of the most fun vehicles I have driven so far in GT6. I tuned it to enter in NATIONAL A - 500 Clubman races. Be careful to not hit other cars, it will slow down and it's hard to accelerate uphill. Watch-out going down hills there is a lot of weight transfer, and have fun. (It Takes a couple of laps to get the feel of this vehicle)
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Did you notice that high or mid RPM turbo provide you the same horsepower . Any difference on timelap ?

Another question. Is it really had to put a 150 to 200kg as a ballast to make a car handling. Eg. Suzuki GSX-R, Evora, Ruf BTR or Saleem etc. In real world, the camber and other adjustment is the answer but GT6 tuning depends on toe and suspension most. Camber, especially at the rear working on Racing tires with very high hp. On reality you can see all race cars camber degree are more at the front. Remember PD had adjusted the handling of the new Chapperal when players made complain. Polyphony Digital didn't know the camber is not working until today ?

Love your tune anyway.

 

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Did you notice that high or mid RPM turbo provide you the same horsepower . Any difference on timelap ?

Another question. Is it really had to put a 150 to 200kg as a ballast to make a car handling. Eg. Suzuki GSX-R, Evora, Ruf BTR or Saleem etc. In real world, the camber and other adjustment is the answer but GT6 tuning depends on toe and suspension most. Camber, especially at the rear working on Racing tires with very high hp. On reality you can see all race cars camber degree are more at the front. Remember PD had adjusted the handling of the new Chapperal when players made complain. Polyphony Digital didn't know the camber is not working until today ?

Love your tune anyway.

Thanks for stopping by sir, much appreciated,

Did you notice that high or mid RPM turbo provide you the same horsepower . Any difference on timelap ?

To be honest I didn't try both, I did this in Jan. 2014 and the only changes I made since was reducing the picture size , I was just starting out, not an excuse but I've learnt a tiny bit more now from doing a few tests. I do want to revise all my tunings but there's something missing in our 24 hour days, - hours - need more.

Another question. Is it really had to put a 150 to 200kg as a ballast to make a car handling

I'm sorry but I don't understand the question, did you mean "Is it really hard to put a 150 to 200kg as a ballast to make a car handling" , if so, the answer is no, it's not hard, back than I was going for the PP level, that's the reason for the High RPM turbo and not using the ballast.

Camber, especially at the rear working on Racing tires with very high hp. On reality you can see all race cars camber degree are more at the front. Remember PD had adjusted the handling of the new Chapperal when players made complain. Polyphony Digital didn't know the camber is not working until today ?

When I did this i knew nothing of camber , ignorance is a bliss unless you burn yourself with it, I got burnt pretty good with that one , but I've been participating in these two experiments which should help me understand the way PD has implemented the camber in the game.
The Great Camber Experiment: Stage 1 "High Speed Ring" (test drivers wanted)
The Great Camber Experiment: Stage 2 "Silverstone" (Test Drivers Wanted)

I consider myself more of an experimental tuner than anything else, I try things to see how they work and learn from it ( I hope ), I'm trying to run tests on everything that can be tuned but it may take a while and we may just be at GT7 by the time I get halfway finished. BTW I try to avoid Race tires, aero parts and high powered cars as much as possible, I've got enough on my plate without adding more ingredients to make me go crazy, and this is not counting trying to be a better driver.

Thanks for taking your valuable time and giving me some feedback, it's very appreciated,

 

[Thorin Cain]

Nice Betty

 

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I am temporary Looking up my garage due to sadness.

We have just lost a second great tuner and friend in https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/members/praiano63.127120/

 

[Brewguy44]

High End Performance G37 - Seasonal - 560PP/SH​

Tuned pre 1.09 Version
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My best lap up to know is 1:11.537, rank position 2382. After I finished it I tried Doodlemonoply 's tuning to see if I was really off and what I could improve. With my driving skills and tuning my results were a little better. I am not saying that this tuning is better, just that it is more suited to my driving skills, which are far off from Mr.doodlemonopoly. If you want to try it, here is the tuning sheet.

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Just tried this on High Speed Ring and got a 1.11 even for a lap time. It handles real good was able to keep a constant speed through the big curves and the back end never came out, it stuck to the track like a booger on your finger . I already had this car so I gave it a try. Nice Tune 👍

 

[Brewguy44]

I am temporary Looking up my garage due to sadness.

We have just lost a second great tuner and friend in https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/members/praiano63.127120/

I know what you mean. I can't believe that there both gone Sorry just saw this post. I didn't mean to intrude

 

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Just tried this on High Speed Ring and got a 1.11 even for a lap time. It handles real good was able to keep a constant speed through the big curves and the back end never came out, it stuck to the track like a booger on your finger . I already had this car so I gave it a try. Nice Tune 👍

Wow, nice time, I had completely forgotten about that one, it was done long ago and the physics were a bit different, I'm not the biggest fan of genuine race cars, i prefer the everyday type of cars, they're more up to my speed . Thanks for trying it out, didn't remember it stuck to the road like that , I've never tried it on any other track than at Willow Streets (Seasonal TT). You know it's hard to keep a straight face when I look at your avatar, I like that 👍, don't get attached to mine, I think I hold the record on GTplanet for the person who's changed his avatar the most times ( this one has held for 3 days, that's long). You'll be getting my visit soon and that of a few other members so don't stop tuning even if things get slow, just have fun .

Sorry just saw this post. I did'nt mean to intrude

No need to be sorry, there was no intrusion, I was stating that I wouldn't put out anything new in my garage for a while, this is temporary, people and aliens alike are always welcome to come and post here, next time bring the whole keg and we'll see who can do the fastest lap backwards .