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[RIP_Welsh_Don]

Wow, the way people voice their opinions here disgusts me sometimes. I'm not saying that there isn't a valid point to some things being said, but please try and be courteous about it.

RT was only in the Div.3 room to spectate on the race. He was not a steward for it and as far as I'm aware there is no watching of qualifying being done in any rooms as everyone in the room is usually involved. If there are issues with qualifying, speak up, exit, do something and everyone will gladly stop to sort it out I'm sure. We had a vote on the qualifying format pre-season and unfortunately this is what the majority wanted and due to GT5/PSN issues, it doesn't work!

If we had a pace lap and a rolling start, it would give us plenty of time to re-organise grid positions without the need for a reset to ensure everyone was where they should be to start the race. Thoughts?

There is a lot of hard work that goes into these series and at times I wonder why the creators/organizers bother with so much grief that comes their way. 95% of us (me included) just turn up and race as everything has been done for us, so I like to just try to enjoy that and not get too 'serious' about it. I agree there will always be some issues, but that's life, we just have to get on with it.

Looking forward to the Division 2 race BTW

 

[CodeRedR51]

If it's possible, I'd like to receive no points for today's race Turbo.

It's completely unfair and sly what I did, and to be completely honest, since Biffy went into the sand on the last lap or whatever it was, I've felt real stingy since.

I could sit here for about 30 minutes and write excuses down to why I did that, but I wont, as there's no excuse.

Anyway, I hope that I can receive 0 points today, that nobody has any hard feelings, and that we can just move on from this.

Thank you for being honest, that saves me the time of going over the replay. You completed the race, so no points won't work for me. I think a 5-second penalty is more than fair and you'll at least get some points for the day.

👍

 

[Wardez]

And if you think this is bad, you should've seen me after Monaco in WSGTC 2. It feels much better to settle this in PM's rather than pouring your guts out in the thread for every one to see really.

I mean, you have all rights to, just saying that you'd feel better about it afterwards and things won't get so awkward.

No big deals though, sorry it had to be "your" race that finally got this issue ironed out, but it had to happen sometime. And don't think that just 'cause I'm well out of the championship and don't care about results that I don't feel for every one that was misplaced, it sucks no matter what.

 

[Green]

Yeah the grid being messed up wasn't a great start to our race, I was pretty much 99% sure it was messed up but I was to scared to jump out to say. Incase the race never got started and I missed the race.

Anyway turned out a good race started P11 finished 5th thats a good result in my book. At the start I just had to sit back and try and pick people off with some much traffic infront managed to gain a few places and then pitted early with CLS to try and under cut the traffic which worked well then spent the rest of the race trying to catch CLS but I just didn't have the pace although I'm pretty sure I had the fastest lap of the race mostly down to draft but 2'37.456.


Edit just checked replay spyhuter had fastest lap 2'37.451 lol

 

[Wardez]

Wow, the way people voice their opinions here disgusts me sometimes. I'm not saying that there isn't a valid point to some things being said, but please try and be courteous about it.

Definitely. Although it easier for some more than others, so there's that too, we're all human.

RT was only in the Div.3 room to spectate on the race. He was not a steward for it and as far as I'm aware there is no watching of qualifying being done in any rooms as everyone in the room is usually involved. If there are issues with qualifying, speak up, exit, do something and everyone will gladly stop to sort it out I'm sure. We had a vote on the qualifying format pre-season and unfortunately this is what the majority wanted and due to GT5/PSN issues, it doesn't work!

Doesn't anymore no, seems like it was 100% fine before Spec II but I could just be having the placebo effect.

If we had a pace lap and a rolling start, it would give us plenty of time to re-organise grid positions without the need for a reset to ensure everyone was where they should be to start the race. Thoughts?

We use a rolling start in FMSC Live and have never had a single problem. Rolling starts are really fun (and doesn't real life SCCA do that too?) and if I can teach a bunch of Xbox Live gamers to be good about staying in formation then we should more than easily be able to.

There is a lot of hard work that goes into these series and at times I wonder why the creators/organizers bother with so much grief that comes their way. 95% of us (me included) just turn up and race as everything has been done for us, so I like to just try to enjoy that and not get too 'serious' about it. I agree there will always be some issues, but that's life, we just have to get on with it.

Looking forward to the Division 2 race BTW

Trust me it gets to you but Jason has a lot of passion and momentum going here. Or you could just say he's been hardened over doing this for a year (FMSC anniversary coming up soon btw). But attitudes like yours is what keeps us happy and going strong. You really have the right head about it Nige, thanks for posting that 👍

 

[redreevos]

Yeah the grid being messed up wasn't a great start to our race, I was pretty much 99% sure it was messed up but I was to scared to jump out to say. Incase the race never got started and I missed the race.

Anyway turned out a good race started P11 finished 5th thats a good result in my book. At the start I just had to sit back and try and pick people off with some much traffic infront managed to gain a few places and then pitted early with CLS to try and under cut the traffic which worked well then spent the rest of the race trying to catch CLS but I just didn't have the pace although I'm pretty sure I had the fastest lap of the race mostly down to draft but 2'37.456.

Good job in climbing up the ladder Green! Fastest lap I would think would come down to you, Minion, and Spy. I am out of the running with a '37.5.

I could see you and CSL got close to me for a while. I had to put my head down and just run solid laps to keep you guys from catching up. Luckily I was able to.

 

[CSLACR]

This is an important question guys, so answer up, whether you did, or know of someone else doing this.

Did anyone enter the track and exit in the qualifying, at any point in time?

 

[NEPALII]

Its just too much whining. You can make your point and move on. Blaming RT for this issue is a bit ridiculous from my point of view.

Getting the wrong grid spot sucks. It also sucks to get the right grid position and get dive-bombed from someone who started 2 rows back in T1. One is a GT5 glitch, the other is dirty driving.

Did you ever see me calling out names here in the thread?

Please stop being so immature.

Thanks.

Did I even call out names? What are you on about? You've never been frustrated before in your life? Im not bashing Turbo or calling names, whatever. For someone who kept whining about a little contact and then call me immature is pretty funny.

 

[CSLACR]

BTW, fastest laps:
Spyhunter, 37.451
Greennarcotics: 37.456 so close!
RedReevos: 37.5xx

 

[carracerptp]

Thanks, all, for the fun race.

It looked more like we were racing trains. The only way to survive there was to get in a draft and stay in it - something I could not accomplish.

Qualifying was messed up. First I couldn't get into the room. Because of that, when I finally did get in, qualifying had started. On my one lap of qualifying, I ended up seventh.

When the race started, I was put in eleventh position.

I really hope my entering the room late didn't cause the qualifying to be messed up.

The race started. I was tailing on the back of the train. Green was right behind me. after a couple laps, he passed me. His pass was clean, but I turned into him. My car bounced off and fish-tailed. Couldn't catch the draft after that.

After driving by myself, trying to catch the group, I was only capable of running mid to low 39s, so I knew that was pointless. Pit on lap nine. That turned out great because I was able to rejoin with TnJ... Pushed him a bit, trying to increase both of our speeds, then I caught up with some other cars.

Awesome battle for sixth began. I messed up the bus stop, but up until then everyone was racing clean and fast. On the last lap, not sure exactly what caused it, but I saw it form. First two wide, then three wide. I was actually glad for being behind it. They all went off into the sand. Then when I turned in, I went in the sand. All by myself. That took some serious skill.

Came out of the sand and sideswiped somebody twice. Gave him back the position. Then, on the last bends, he pulled over and let us all by. I guess he felt it was his fault.

Anyway, good race. I actually figured I'd finish dead last, so seventh is great. See you next week.

(P.S. I'm sure I killed some track boundaries, really sorry)

 

[yzfmike]

I have saved the replay so I will look the race over tommorow. My race sucked after my first pitstop. The audio for my tires went away so I had no idea how hard I was pushing them, and I never heard anyone coming up from behind, just nothin then bam... im surrounded by 4 guys in the last corner. Also when I started pratice and quals my screen was black with the Gt logo in the lower right hand corner. So i exited like a blind guy. I know someone rammed me starting the qual. Lol. It looks as I am out of the wildcard Race as well. One last race for me. Been good racing with you guys.

 

[Green]

I backed out to the pit and sat in the pit but that was it, but I never left the track.

 

[gravydavy35]

Yeah the grid being messed up wasn't a great start to our race, I was pretty much 99% sure it was messed up but I was to scared to jump out to say. Incase the race never got started and I missed the race.

Anyway turned out a good race started P11 finished 5th thats a good result in my book. At the start I just had to sit back and try and pick people off with some much traffic infront managed to gain a few places and then pitted early with CLS to try and under cut the traffic which worked well then spent the rest of the race trying to catch CLS but I just didn't have the pace although I'm pretty sure I had the fastest lap of the race mostly down to draft but 2'37.456.


Edit just checked replay spyhuter had fastest lap 2'37.451 lol

👍

 

[Green]

👍

Yeah Davy thanks for the pit early tip worked well probably wouldn't of done it if you hadn't said. Good luck in your race

 

[CSLACR]

I backed out to the pit and sat in the pit but that was it, but I never left the track.

That's why the grid was messed up.
Thank you for saying so.👍

We found this in 3D3, if anyone ever leaves the track, whether they back out to pits, or pull into pits, etc, issues in grid order arise.

The solution is for everyone to stay on the track. Once you enter for qualifying, do not back out, do not pit, do not change setup, do not pass go, do not collect improper starting grid.
Needs to be a new staple rule, IMO.

You enter for qualifying, that's it, you're on the track. Something goes wrong, you finish your quali laps and want to park, pull off the side of the track safely, otherwise the grids get screwed up.

Try it out in D2 tonight guys, you shan't be disappointed. (I don't think)

 

[CodeRedR51]

Try it out in D2 tonight guys, you shan't be disappointed. (I don't think)

Thanks for that. 👍

Everyone listen!

 

[NEPALII]

I backed out to the pit and sat in the pit but that was it, but I never left the track.

Did you drive to the pits or did you pause and quit to the pits? I think there is a difference.

Ok guys, I want to apologize for my overreaction and specially to Turbo. However, I just hope that you can clear things out regarding issues like the ones today with wrong grid spots and people not being able to join. I experienced some lag on qualifying, maybe that was a sign that I wasnt gonna last in that room. Some people may have benefited with the change of host, but apparently it didnt benefit me at all. It really frustrates me. My connection is fine, I think its similar to what happened to Outlaw at Nurb. Again, like Wardez said, we are humans and arent perfect and one thing I would never EVER do is insult anybody and I didnt today. I may have offended some people with my point/accusations and I apologize for that. I was just looking forward to the race, had a great qualy run and then the race just went downhill completely at the start and then disconnection.

Any suggestions to help me cool off?

 

[Green]

That's why the grid was messed up.
Thank you for saying so.👍

We found this in 3D3, if anyone ever leaves the track, whether they back out to pits, or pull into pits, etc, issues in grid order arise.

The solution is for everyone to stay on the track. Once you enter for qualifying, do not back out, do not pit, do not change setup, do not pass go, do not collect improper starting grid.
Needs to be a new staple rule, IMO.

You enter for qualifying, that's it, you're on the track. Something goes wrong, you finish your quali laps and want to park, pull off the side of the track safely, otherwise the grids get screwed up.

Try it out in D2 tonight guys, you shan't be disappointed. (I don't think)

Ok will do, ps will to be hard at madrid for everyone to find parking spaces lol


Edit - nep I just quit to pits was parked up then thought I would check the race timer in the pits to see if I had time for a pee lol. I've done it before and nothing ever went wrong but defo won't do it again

 

[NEPALII]

That's why the grid was messed up.
Thank you for saying so.👍

We found this in 3D3, if anyone ever leaves the track, whether they back out to pits, or pull into pits, etc, issues in grid order arise.

The solution is for everyone to stay on the track. Once you enter for qualifying, do not back out, do not pit, do not change setup, do not pass go, do not collect improper starting grid.
Needs to be a new staple rule, IMO.

You enter for qualifying, that's it, you're on the track. Something goes wrong, you finish your quali laps and want to park, pull off the side of the track safely, otherwise the grids get screwed up.

Try it out in D2 tonight guys, you shan't be disappointed. (I don't think)

You can pit to change tires, and I have done that without messing up the grid. Maybe green paused and exited to the pits and that may have caused the grid to get messed up

 

[carracerptp]

Any suggestions to help me cool off?

5 laps at the Ring. in a M3... works every time.

And or ice water.

I really hate the rooms in GT. I liked the first room but people disconnected. Then in room 2 I was locked out.
I really feel sorry for you disconnecting Hard way to end a sunday.

 

[Müle]

That's why the grid was messed up.
Thank you for saying so.👍

We found this in 3D3, if anyone ever leaves the track, whether they back out to pits, or pull into pits, etc, issues in grid order arise.

The solution is for everyone to stay on the track. Once you enter for qualifying, do not back out, do not pit, do not change setup, do not pass go, do not collect improper starting grid.
Needs to be a new staple rule, IMO.

You enter for qualifying, that's it, you're on the track. Something goes wrong, you finish your quali laps and want to park, pull off the side of the track safely, otherwise the grids get screwed up.

Try it out in D2 tonight guys, you shan't be disappointed. (I don't think)

I went into the pits as well, if that means anything

 

[CSLACR]

Did I even call out names? What are you on about? You've never been frustrated before in your life? Im not bashing Turbo or calling names, whatever. For someone who kept whining about a little contact and then call me immature is pretty funny.

It's a pretty big over reaction Nep.
You started 4th, yes you deserved 1st, and yes you should have said something, we all should have, but we didn't.

I started 7th instead of fourth, I didn't say anything, therefore I earned 7th.

TBH I wasn't sure a restart was an option, I just figured, "7th is good enough to catch draft and stay in the race", so I shrugged it off.

You're also complaining that we switched rooms. I'm sorry you DC'd, but we also had 2-4 guys that probably would have DC'd in the first room, and we have to value multiple peoples connection over a single players. You got the short straw tonight, it's understandable to be upset, but it's the way it goes.

The first room was fine for me too, but a couple people couldn't see TnJF, and a couple kept DC'ing, so I'm not sure how anyone could call that a "better" room.

 

[NEPALII]

5 laps at the Ring. in a M3... works every time.

And or ice water.

No GT5 stuff please Ice water is too simple, not enough. Something more complex?

 

[dsgerbc]

We found this in 3D3, if anyone ever leaves the track, whether they back out to pits, or pull into pits, etc, issues in grid order arise.

Has this been purposefully tested? Cause this is not the way it used to be even after spec2.0. Even backing out to the lounge used to be okay.

 

[CodeRedR51]

However, I just hope that you can clear things out regarding issues like the ones today with wrong grid spots and people not being able to join. I experienced some lag on qualifying, maybe that was a sign that I wasnt gonna last in that room. Some people may have benefited with the change of host, but apparently it didnt benefit me at all. It really frustrates me. My connection is fine, I think its similar to what happened to Outlaw at Nurb. Again, like Wardez said, we are humans and arent perfect and one thing I would never EVER do is insult anybody and I didnt today. I may have offended some people with my point/accusations and I apologize for that. I was just looking forward to the race, had a great qualy run and then the race just went downhill completely at the start and then disconnection.

I honestly don't see how we can fix it. We quit the first room because THREE guys were having trouble staying connected. New room looked to be running just fine until you D/C'd. You may have a good connection, but if it has any kind of hiccup, it could cause you to disconnect. Not all service providers and/or connections are perfect.

Edit: Tree'd by CSL.

 

[CSLACR]

You can pit to change tires, and I have done that without messing up the grid. Maybe green paused and exited to the pits and that may have caused the grid to get messed up

I went into the pits as well, if that means anything

That's still in question.

But the one thing we're certain of, is that so far grid has been 100% accurate if nobody ever does anything. No pitting, no backing out to sit in pits, and especially no leaving the track altogether.

If we all do this, I expect our grids will start being 100% accurate as they're been over in 3D3.👍

 

[Wardez]

No GT5 stuff please Ice water is too simple, not enough. Something more complex?

Hang out with your brother 👍

 

[SAMHAIN85]

That was probably one of the funnest races I've ever had in GT, way to go guys. We had a huge train of cars during the majority of the race. I was content at the end of this train for the first 10 laps or so. Wardez and I forget who pitted, I decided to stay out. I actually never pit on this track before. By lap 11 or whatever I was leading the race (we get bonus points for leading right?) and my tires were absolutely shot. I thought for sure I had lost so much time by staying out, that I would exit the pits with no one to race with. To my surprise, I actually pulled out of the pits ahead of Wardez and co. I ran off the track on the last right hander before the last chicane, and re-joined the end of the train. All of us were running fast and clean for the remainder of the race, until the last lap lol. I tried my very hardest to get around Wardez for 7th, got beside him on one of the final turns, and TnjF came below both of us to make it 3 wide. We all ran out of real estate and into the sand Wardez and I went. I got back on track still in front of the train in 7th, got nailed from behind by someone who didnt see me, I got up to the chicane, pulled over and let everyone pass me and took 10th. I know it probably wasnt my fault for the incident(s) since it was purely hard racing, but I feel better about myself giving up the spots that I felt I didnt earn. Hopefully someone can post some of our laps on here. It was really a lot of fun! Thanks guys

 

[Forcednduckshn]

Regarding qualifying, I don't think the system needs to be changed. A 15 minute knockout quali before the race is the most convenient and most fun and stops people from waiting to see what other times someone else did and then going after them to try and beat it. It also places more responsibility on other stewards being present to watch the qualifying. It's simple, keep track of your time in quali and where you are being gridded. If it doesn't work out, you restart race after adjusting the grid. I can only imagine what sort of nightmare there would be if we did rolling starts...

 

[paulmac2k9]

No GT5 stuff please Ice water is too simple, not enough. Something more complex?

Go punch Jeremy Clarkson in the face....