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[TheMinion]

Great race guys!

I just watched the replay and my pass on Spyhunter on the last lap wasn't clean and i have no problems giving him the 1st place.

Thanks for the awesome teamwork Spy 👍

 

[BrandonW77]

That's why the grid was messed up.
Thank you for saying so.👍

We found this in 3D3, if anyone ever leaves the track, whether they back out to pits, or pull into pits, etc, issues in grid order arise.

The solution is for everyone to stay on the track. Once you enter for qualifying, do not back out, do not pit, do not change setup, do not pass go, do not collect improper starting grid.
Needs to be a new staple rule, IMO.

You enter for qualifying, that's it, you're on the track. Something goes wrong, you finish your quali laps and want to park, pull off the side of the track safely, otherwise the grids get screwed up.

Try it out in D2 tonight guys, you shan't be disappointed. (I don't think)

This isn't true. In my league we do qualifying in 2 groups back to back. After the first group qualifies they watch the second group from the lounge, after the second group qualifies I then have everyone go to the pits and stay there during the race countdown. I watch the live timing monitor during both sessions and record the results after each group, I then read off the top 5 to the room. We've done over 50 races with this method and it's never had the wrong starting order.

You can't use the on track leader board to judge your position. Somebody mentioned they did one lap and qualified 7th but started 11th. The only way he would have known his actual ranking is if somebody read him his time from the timing monitor, not by looking at the leader board. This is an example of somebody thinking their qualifying position was screwed up when it actually wasn't. The leader board shows your physical location on the track, not your ranking according to lap times.

I know I'm not involved with this group but I've done extensive testing of this and have a very good idea of how it works so I'm just trying to help.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I can only imagine what sort of nightmare there would be if we did rolling starts...

Other series that I have competed in that do rolling starts never have any issues. And seeing other peoples times offers no advantage in my eyes, especially when you only have 2 timed laps to beat it.

Great race guys!

I just watched the replay and my pass on Spyhunter on the last lap wasn't clean and i have no problems giving him the 1st place.

Thanks for the awesome teamwork Spy 👍

That was brought up and it you are willing to give it up then I will make the change. 👍


Thanks for the honesty in the races today guys, every little bit helps.

 

[Forcednduckshn]

It's a pretty big over reaction Nep.
You started 4th, yes you deserved 1st, and yes you should have said something, we all should have, but we didn't.

I started 7th instead of fourth, I didn't say anything, therefore I earned 7th.

TBH I wasn't sure a restart was an option, I just figured, "7th is good enough to catch draft and stay in the race", so I shrugged it off.

You're also complaining that we switched rooms. I'm sorry you DC'd, but we also had 2-4 guys that probably would have DC'd in the first room, and we have to value multiple peoples connection over a single players. You got the short straw tonight, it's understandable to be upset, but it's the way it goes.

The first room was fine for me too, but a couple people couldn't see TnJF, and a couple kept DC'ing, so I'm not sure how anyone could call that a "better" room.

Hey brother, I'm not taking sides or anything, but I think you should cut the guy some slack. I know what it's like to take pole and then start in 9th. It's terrible and extremely frustrating. I think you shouldn't judge him until you have been in his shoes. Just saying - respectfully.

Also, catching the draft is not so easy. I got within in 5 or 6 car lengths in the final turn of the lead pack after driving like sebastian vettel on twin cities, but it still was not close enough to catch the draft and I got completed dusted on the long straightaway. Remember, the draft has a multiplier effect when cars are running in a train and if you lose it you are screwed. This is why qualifying is so vital, why when you work so hard to get pole only to have it taken away from you on a glitch, is just infuriating. He didn't make any personal attacks, just voiced his disgust (and rightfully so.) Just trying to keep it real man, I hope you appreciate where I cam coming from. Cheers.

Going to chill out for a bit. I'll see you guys in the race room around 9:15.

 

[carracerptp]

Regarding qualifying, what exactly are the rules regarding everybody being there?
I was kind of ripped off of a decent start to begin with because I couldn't get into the new room. By the time I got there, I had less than eight minutes. So I had about a lap and a half.
My half lap was better than my first lap, but I couldn't finish it because the timer ran out.
is there any requirement, or do you just go on the hour?

 

[CSLACR]

Great race guys!

I just watched the replay and my pass on Spyhunter on the last lap wasn't clean and i have no problems giving him the 1st place.

Thanks for the awesome teamwork Spy 👍

I'm glad you said that, since I already watched the replay and saw what happened. 👍

This isn't true. In my league we do qualifying in 2 groups back to back. After the first group qualifies they watch the second group from the lounge, after the second group qualifies I then have everyone go to the pits and stay there during the race countdown. I watch the live timing monitor during both sessions and record the results after each group, I then read off the top 5 to the room. We've done over 50 races with this method and it's never had the wrong starting order.

You can't use the on track leader board to judge your position. Somebody mentioned they did one lap and qualified 7th but started 11th. The only way he would have known his actual ranking is if somebody read him his time from the timing monitor, not by looking at the leader board. This is an example of somebody thinking their qualifying position was screwed up when it actually wasn't. The leader board shows your physical location on the track, not your ranking according to lap times.

I know I'm not involved with this group but I've done extensive testing of this and have a very good idea of how it works so I'm just trying to help.

That's only true until you complete a timed lap.

In any case, what I'm saying certainly cannot hurt to try. And it has worked with 100% success.
When you say pitting, do you mean exiting out, or driving into the pits? Driving into the pits manually is the only thing that hasn't been finished testing, so that may very well work.

But for now, especially tonight's D2 race, I highly recommend they try what I said, everyone staying on track and not going into pits, better safe then sorry.👍

 

[CodeRedR51]

The leader board shows your physical location on the track, not your ranking according to lap times.

Not true. If you'll watch when you are qualifying, if you run a lap that is supposed to be P1, you'll jump to the top of the list if it's working correctly.

Edit: Tree'd....again.

 

[NEPALII]

Go punch Jeremy Clarkson in the face....

Anything else?

 

[CSLACR]

Hey brother, I'm not taking sides or anything, but I think you should cut the guy some slack. I know what it's like to take pole and then start in 9th. It's terrible and extremely frustrating. I think you shouldn't judge him until you have been in his shoes. Just saying - respectfully.

Also, catching the draft is not so easy. I got within in 5 or 6 car lengths in the final turn of the lead pack after driving like sebastian vettel on twin cities, but it still was not close enough to catch the draft and I got completed dusted on the long straightaway. Remember, the draft has a multiplier effect when cars are running in a train and if you lose it you are screwed. This is why qualifying is so vital, why when you work so hard to get pole only to have it taken away from you on a glitch, is just infuriating. He didn't make any personal attacks, just voiced his disgust (and rightfully so.) Just trying to keep it real man, I hope you appreciate where I cam coming from. Cheers.

Going to chill out for a bit. I'll see you guys in the race room around 9:15.

I've had my spots taken by people jumping the start in rolling starts, (much worse) and tonight I should have been 4th instead of 7th at the start.
When I speak of draft, I specifically meant at Spa tonight, other tracks can be much harder, and/or Spa if people screw up.

But Nep qualified 1st and started 4th (Nastradamus screwed up the start, so Nep got 3rd in 2 seconds)
I call it an over reaction for 3 reasons, 1. A couple of us lost spots. 2. he was third, which means he could have had first via draft by the end of the first straight. 3. He didn't say anything, we all dropped the ball there. 4. Even with a crash, at lap 4 where he DC'd, he was third and up the leaders arses.

So with all that, I don't see how he was really slighted by it. He could just as easily been exactly where he was at the time of the DC if he did get pole, and certainly couldn't expect to have ran away from the 10 car train we had going.

I do appreciate where you're coming from though, I really do, but to give RT an "F" for not watching qualifying, etc? It's not his job, he was watching the race to help himself run this series that we all enjoy.

 

[BrandonW77]

That's only true until you complete a timed lap.

In any case, what I'm saying certainly cannot hurt to try. And it has worked with 100% success.
When you say pitting, do you mean exiting out, or driving into the pits? Driving into the pits manually is the only thing that hasn't been finished testing, so that may very well work.

Not always, if the person with the fastest time is in the pits he wont be shown as first. I have seen the leader board display some very weird things so I basically ignore it. The only way to know for sure if you got pole is if you're time is shown in blue as the best lap.

It doesn't matter if you drive to the pits or pause/exit, I think most people in our group just pause/exit and we never have any issues. There are things that can screw it up but our method has worked flawlessly and I have over 30 people that can vouch for it.

 

[paulmac2k9]

Nope Nep...... maybe (if you have it) go on a rampage in GTA4

 

[CSLACR]

Not true. If you'll watch when you are qualifying, if you run a lap that is supposed to be P1, you'll jump to the top of the list if it's working correctly.

Edit: Tree'd....again.

So we'll try it? I certainly hope we do.

I'll dig around and see what the 3D3 guys are finding on the effects of driving into the pits to wait, hopefully that works, we'll need it for Madrid.

Maybe a group of at least 5-8 of us can test this out for ourselves at some point this week, to see if making a pit stop does screw up the order or not?
Qualifying order will be top-notch priority at Madrid, btw.

 

[carracerptp]

So we'll try it? I certainly hope we do.

I'll dig around and see what the 3D3 guys are finding on the effects of driving into the pits to wait, hopefully that works, we'll need it for Madrid.

Maybe a group of at least 5-8 of us can test this out for ourselves at some point this week, to see if making a pit stop does screw up the order or not?
Qualifying order will be top-notch priority at Madrid, btw.

Count me in to help.

 

[NEPALII]

I've had my spots taken by people jumping the start in rolling starts, (much worse) and tonight I should have been 4th instead of 7th at the start.
When I speak of draft, I specifically meant at Spa tonight, other tracks can be much harder, and/or Spa if people screw up.

But Nep qualified 1st and started 4th (Nastradamus screwed up the start, so Nep got 3rd in 2 seconds)
I call it an over reaction for 3 reasons, 1. A couple of us lost spots. 2. he was third, which means he could have had first via draft by the end of the first straight. 3. He didn't say anything, we all dropped the ball there. 4. Even with a crash, at lap 4 where he DC'd, he was third and up the leaders arses.

So with all that, I don't see how he was really slighted by it. He could just as easily been exactly where he was at the time of the DC if he did get pole, and certainly couldn't expect to have ran away from the 10 car train we had going.

I do appreciate where you're coming from though, I really do, but to give RT an "F" for not watching qualifying, etc? It's not his job, he was watching the race to help himself run this series that we all enjoy.

CSL, that F was just humor, I even put the . I have apologized via PM to Turbo. You may not find a place or 2 a big deal, but I do. If you work hard to achieve the Pole, and you dont start there dont you think that's a little harsh? I do. Then what's the point of qualifying if you think a few places wont hurt? Again, Im not insulting anyone, unlike many are thinking here.

 

[Wardez]

So we'll try it? I certainly hope we do.

I'll dig around and see what the 3D3 guys are finding on the effects of driving into the pits to wait, hopefully that works, we'll need it for Madrid.

Maybe a group of at least 5-8 of us can test this out for ourselves at some point this week, to see if making a pit stop does screw up the order or not?
Qualifying order will be top-notch priority at Madrid, btw.

Yes it most definitely will. We should definitely get good testing in since things seem to have changed lately for whatever reason. It could even just be a unique problem with certain people connecting. I don't know, but it does need the scientific method.

 

[carracerptp]

Anything else?

It's simple, kill the batman

And can someone address this.

Regarding qualifying, what exactly are the rules regarding everybody being there?
I was kind of ripped off of a decent start to begin with because I couldn't get into the new room. By the time I got there, I had less than eight minutes. So I had about a lap and a half.
My half lap was better than my first lap, but I couldn't finish it because the timer ran out.
is there any requirement, or do you just go on the hour?

 

[Wardez]

Btw, there were only a few people watching my stream, just wanted to ask those who did; how was it, laggy at all?

 

[carracerptp]

Btw, there were only a few people watching my stream, just wanted to ask those who did; how was it, laggy at all?

That battle at the end must have looked awesome 👍 (save the sand of course)

 

[CodeRedR51]

Not always, if the person with the fastest time is in the pits he wont be shown as first. I have seen the leader board display some very weird things so I basically ignore it. The only way to know for sure if you got pole is if you're time is shown in blue as the best lap.

It doesn't matter if you drive to the pits or pause/exit, I think most people in our group just pause/exit and we never have any issues. There are things that can screw it up but our method has worked flawlessly and I have over 30 people that can vouch for it.

Ah, but that does make a difference. Say if I got P1 and came into the pits, once I select OK on the tires/fuel, I press pause and let the game pull me into my pit stall and let it sit there. If I do this, then I should stay P1 unless someone beats my time.

Now, if I pressed pause and hit the exit button, yes it would put me in my pit stall, but it would also exit me from the track. (if thats understandable) That could possibly be what is messing up the grid.

 

[Alien96]

hope there'll be spots for reserves in D2

 

[NEPALII]

It's simple, kill the batman

And can someone address this.

I like Batman. Maybe kill Justin Bieber? Hmm... 💡

 

[CSLACR]

CSL, that F was just humor, I even put the . I have apologized via PM to Turbo. You may not find a place or 2 a big deal, but I do. If you work hard to achieve the Pole, and you dont start there dont you think that's a little harsh? I do. Then what's the point of qualifying if you think a few places wont hurt? Again, Im not insulting anyone, unlike many are thinking here.

I agree it's not optimal, and very unfortunate, yes. I lost exactly as many positions as you did.
TBH, at Spa, 1st and fourth off the start are the same to me. As long as no incidents occur, you were tightly in 3rd when you DC'd, which means it simply didn't ruin your race.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset, but it's not a huge deal at this track with where you got placed and how the race worked out until you DC'd, it just wasn't imo.

It's simple, kill the batman

And can someone address this.

15 minutes, to my knowledge.
Shame you got in late, I'm sure you've seen restarting and/or waiting only seems to compound these issues though, glad you got in the race, we actually had very good luck with DC's tonight, only having 1. Especially considering people couldn't even all enter the first room.

Not always, if the person with the fastest time is in the pits he wont be shown as first. I have seen the leader board display some very weird things so I basically ignore it. The only way to know for sure if you got pole is if you're time is shown in blue as the best lap.

It doesn't matter if you drive to the pits or pause/exit, I think most people in our group just pause/exit and we never have any issues. There are things that can screw it up but our method has worked flawlessly and I have over 30 people that can vouch for it.

It's never worked in any series or race I've been invlolved in, we'll definitely be doing some testing this week though, so we'll figure out if there's anything we can do.

Even if I seem argumentative, I do appreciate you giving your thoughts.

 

[dsgerbc]

Btw, there were only a few people watching my stream, just wanted to ask those who did; how was it, laggy at all?

For me it was skipping about 1/2 second frequently.

 

[CSLACR]

hope there'll be spots for reserves in D2

I expect there will be, may I be the first to say it's great to see a reserve finally show up!

 

[dsgerbc]

Ah, but that does make a difference. Say if I got P1 and came into the pits, once I select OK on the tires/fuel, I press pause and let the game pull me into my pit stall and let it sit there. If I do this, then I should stay P1 unless someone beats my time.

Now, if I pressed pause and hit the exit button, yes it would put me in my pit stall, but it would also exit me from the track. (if thats understandable) That could possibly be what is messing up the grid.

In Brandon's series you can exit to the lounge and your best lap time would be safe. I think the key is to hit 'start race' when everyone is in the pits and nobody on track.

 

[Wardez]

For me it was skipping about 1/2 second frequently.

Yeah thought so. Thanks. I have to tweak some of the settings, bit rate especially.

 

[CSLACR]

In Brandon's series you can exit to the lounge and your best lap time would be safe. I think the key is to hit 'start race' when everyone is in the pits and nobody on track.

I've never once seen that, ever. Certainly not exiting to the lounge.
The best lap will stay on the board, but you won't start there anymore.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I've never once seen that, ever. Certainly not exiting to the lounge.
The best lap will stay on the board, but you won't start there anymore.

Exactly. This just proves more and more why single qualifying runs are better.

 

[dsgerbc]

I've never once seen that, ever. Certainly not exiting to the lounge.
The best lap will stay on the board, but you won't start there anymore.

You will if everyone else is also in the pits, not on track.
That's how it worked 99% of the time in Brandon's series. Anyway - if you don't be believe me/Brandon - this is something for you guys to test.

 

[gravydavy35]

Great race guys!

I just watched the replay and my pass on Spyhunter on the last lap wasn't clean and i have no problems giving him the 1st place.

Thanks for the awesome teamwork Spy 👍

i have a problem with this kind if ishh.You make a move on the track you live with it.Racers take each other out all the time in real life this is no diffrent.Everyone trys to race clean but last lap last corner 2nd place expect it lol.See you in the pits.