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I agree and to take it further we have people who don't have a wheel for both games but will come on hear faithfully talking nonsense It's sad.
FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)
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I agree and to take it further we have people who don't have a wheel for both games but will come on hear faithfully talking nonsense It's sad.
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Which is exactly what you did. When you write these witty remarks up, do you pay attention to what it is you're writing?
Sales of any game inconclusive when trying to say "This game is better than that", and before you claim that's not what you were implying why else would you bring up sales?
The topic, before you overstepped boundaries which never existed, was that of PD (not) being a greed, money grubbing developers. Which then lead to Justin posting up Prologue, a $40 demonstration of what GT5 could do. What you went on a tirade about had no relation thereafter.
If you want, I can draw a detailed diagram depicting where you went wrong.
Can't say I'm surprised you've resorted to such remarks. Such is normal amongst people such as yourselves, who, once proven wrong in any formal capacity either outright ignore the correction, or resort to inane remarks.
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what do you mean....I though they were comparing LFA's and they were clearly discussing about graphics so I posted some well taken pics of GT's LFA's and that really put other games' models to shame. What about the guy who posted the other two pictures? I dont understand what i am supposed to do 
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GT6mebewhat do you mean....I though they were comparing LFA's and they were clearly discussing about graphics so I posted some well taken pics of GT's LFA's and that really put other games' models to shame. What about the guy who posted the other two pictures? I dont understand what i am supposed to do
When you get Forza. You will be more educated to comment.
Same as all the rest of us really.
Not just having a go at you.
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what do you mean....I though they were comparing LFA's and they were clearly discussing about graphics so I posted some well taken pics of GT's LFA's and that really put other games' models to shame. What about the guy who posted the other two pictures? I dont understand what i am supposed to do
What we (as in the staff) would like you to do is engage in a discussion, rather than the internet version of a 'willy waving contest'.
Simply posting pictures with a throw away comment certainly does not further discussion.
Why do you think they look better? What part of them looks better? What part of them looks worse? Why do you think this is? What does it mean to you in the context of the game? How does it help the game?
All of the above questions, had you made comment on them would have validated posting the pictures.
The exact same point applies to yaywalter.
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Those LFA pics look stunning. Even FM4's photomode/replay pics can't compete imo. Although to be fair, those pics are taken at dusk just when the sun is setting and since Forza doesn't have day-night transition, it's perhaps a little unfair. Nevertheless, leaving the lighting aside, I do think GT5's premiums look better than Forza 4's models.
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With this generation of consoles there is only so much that can be done in the graphics department. There ARE limits but both GT and Forza have done an excellent job of graphically representing virtual driving/racing on their respective platforms. It just looks like Forza 4 is more "consistent" graphically across the board. I sure wouldn't base my purchase or game time on the graphical capabilities of either. Couldn't say the same for F1 2011 for an example. With that game the developers "failed" to find the PS3 horsepower to provide the same experience as the other platforms.
To me this VS discussion comes down to fun factor! Many of us here on GTPlanet have both a PS3 and Xbox and own both GT and Forza. I myself switch between these tools to play my software of interest. We can nitpick till we are blue in the face but the end result will come down what disk we will be poping in our consoles. My preference is a "racing" experience. I have no interest in AutoVista or collecting paint chips, museum cards, racing suites, or 10 variations of the same car, etc.. I want a racing sim to represent "racing" virtually.
My Top Ten virtual racing gaming decision factors:
1) Must excel graphically in representing a driving or racing experience.
Both systems have this covered.
2) Must provide sufficient RL racing environments - real tracks.
Both systems have this covered but edge to Forza.
3) Must provide a good selection of road and racing vehicles.
Both systems have this covered.
4) Must excel at replicating the sound or the IRL cars.
Forza
5) Must excel at providing the driving "feel" though a gaming controller.
Both systems have this covered.
6) Must provide a challenging AI for offline competition.
Forza
7) Must provide a mechanism or features to customize and personalize our virtual cars.
Forza
8) Must graphically depict vehicle damage as best as possible.
Forza
9) Must be as convincing as possible in replicating IRL consequences of contacting barriers and other cars.
Forza
10) Must offer a way to compare or measure results with other gamers.
Forza
11) Must offer a cockpit racing view.
Forza, GT partially.
Ok, top eleven. Of course this is my opinion based on my preferences. Like anything, as time passes most things in life get improved upon. For me, in the fall of 2011, it's Forza 4 that will excel at providing my top 11. GT6 may leapfrog Forza and if so I will switch software as I have no allegiance to any platform.
OP was FM vs GT and posted in a FORZA FORUM. Forza enthusiasts of coarse could be biased to some extent just as GT fans. But to me this was posted in this FORZA forum for discussion between primarily FORZA fans while waiting for the next gen of Forza. Sorry for the long "personal opinion" post.
To me this VS discussion comes down to fun factor! Many of us here on GTPlanet have both a PS3 and Xbox and own both GT and Forza. I myself switch between these tools to play my software of interest. We can nitpick till we are blue in the face but the end result will come down what disk we will be poping in our consoles. My preference is a "racing" experience. I have no interest in AutoVista or collecting paint chips, museum cards, racing suites, or 10 variations of the same car, etc.. I want a racing sim to represent "racing" virtually.
My Top Ten virtual racing gaming decision factors:
1) Must excel graphically in representing a driving or racing experience.
Both systems have this covered.
2) Must provide sufficient RL racing environments - real tracks.
Both systems have this covered but edge to Forza.
3) Must provide a good selection of road and racing vehicles.
Both systems have this covered.
4) Must excel at replicating the sound or the IRL cars.
Forza
5) Must excel at providing the driving "feel" though a gaming controller.
Both systems have this covered.
6) Must provide a challenging AI for offline competition.
Forza
7) Must provide a mechanism or features to customize and personalize our virtual cars.
Forza
8) Must graphically depict vehicle damage as best as possible.
Forza
9) Must be as convincing as possible in replicating IRL consequences of contacting barriers and other cars.
Forza
10) Must offer a way to compare or measure results with other gamers.
Forza
11) Must offer a cockpit racing view.
Forza, GT partially.
Ok, top eleven. Of course this is my opinion based on my preferences. Like anything, as time passes most things in life get improved upon. For me, in the fall of 2011, it's Forza 4 that will excel at providing my top 11. GT6 may leapfrog Forza and if so I will switch software as I have no allegiance to any platform.
OP was FM vs GT and posted in a FORZA FORUM. Forza enthusiasts of coarse could be biased to some extent just as GT fans. But to me this was posted in this FORZA forum for discussion between primarily FORZA fans while waiting for the next gen of Forza. Sorry for the long "personal opinion" post.
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What do you guys think about the Top Gear Test Tracks on both games.
I think both games fail in the realism (in lap times) of the top gear test track and this ultimately takes out some of the fun. However, I think GT's test track has the more realistic lighting. One thing extremely disappointing about Forza's track is the immovable tyres and cones!!!!! As if cones were not enough in GT5. However Forza one has no invisible walls(to an extent) and has the drag strip.
Personally I think Gt's one is better cuz of the lighting, but mainly cuz it at least does not have tires all over the circuit.
I think both games fail in the realism (in lap times) of the top gear test track and this ultimately takes out some of the fun. However, I think GT's test track has the more realistic lighting. One thing extremely disappointing about Forza's track is the immovable tyres and cones!!!!! As if cones were not enough in GT5. However Forza one has no invisible walls(to an extent) and has the drag strip.
Personally I think Gt's one is better cuz of the lighting, but mainly cuz it at least does not have tires all over the circuit.
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Not quite true, at least there's no model swap and the game actually has a better lighting in-game (the photomode doesn't render any "bloom" or "glow" effects). In Forza, the complete car models will be swapped plus all the other stuff GT5 does too.
About the realism of the lap times, you have to bear in mind that the times established on the show are made from a standing start, not a rolling one. The cones can be moved if hit on Forza, and about the lightning you shouldn't judge from an off-screen video. Here you have a direct feed video:
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From the direct feed video, it's clear that FM4's TGTT has superior lighting. The GT5 version looks like they borrowed Forza 3's shaders for that track. 
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From the direct feed video, it's clear that FM4's TGTT has superior lighting. The GT5 version looks like they borrowed Forza 3's shaders for that track.
I'm just glad I can actually see the cockpit in Forza 3 and 4. That always frustrated me about GT5. The cockpit view was always so dark. All of that detail, wasted because the lighting was horrible.
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From the direct feed video, it's clear that FM4's TGTT has superior lighting. The GT5 version looks like they borrowed Forza 3's shaders for that track.
Your kidding me right look heres a real life image in the same conditions (closest I could find)....
Forza's track is a joke (lighting wise)...it looks like there has been an oil spill or the track is wet when its not supposed to be. And dont tell me its cuz its off screen.
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