FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[azrael1965]

I am pretty sure i will have fun will the game. It's just that everyone has a different story to tell and everyone has other preferences. I don't have my copy of Forza 4 yet and i am really looking forward to it. Damned amazon, they are already selling it in the shops and mine isn't even shipped.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I think the Race graphics (Premium) and Track list are still slightly in GT5's Favor.Really Interested to hear you guys's thoughts on the Physics Comparison.

I actually think had Forza been on the PS3 it would have sold more but Asking gamers to switch consoles and even changing Wheels (Logitech to Fanatec)is too much in my opinion.

Totally disagree with tracks being better in GT5. Looks and real world varities, is top in my book, and that goes to FM4. Race graphics better in GT5? Even on premiums thats a hard call to make. I am curious, have you played FM4 yet?

Pretty well. There is no denying the graphics in Forza 4 being above the graphics of GT5. I do think the "Ring" is only truly represented by GT5 though. Forza 4 from what I have seen does everything else near perfection.

What really irks me is that in our age, in the day and age we live in, you either have to have an X-box or a PS3 depending on which game, and of course different wheels for either game.

Its unfair to the fans period. Whether one likes Forza or GT5 or whatever else.

Get one wheel. A Fanatec, and be done with swapping wheels. Both compatability and quality are top notch. Makes life easier.

Both games offer lots for the money are more or less multiple games in one. GT even tried to incorporate F1 and Rally, more or less successful although. I play most games in other genres about 20 hours in average. But i have been playing Gt5 since almost a year now and Forza 3 about the same time before that. So Gt4 was replaced by Forza 3 , which eventually got replaced by GT5.
If you keep enjoying a game for a long time, there must be something you like to do repeatedly. In Gt4, GT5 it was hotlaping the nordschleife for me, in Forza 3 it was the great online multiplayer part. But i didn't have so much time to play online anymore, so i cancelled my x-box gold membership. Just didn't seem to be worth the money as i didn't have so much time to play. I actually believe it should be free. I paid for the game , i paid for all the dlcs so why pay just to race other people? World of warcraft seemed to offer more for the buck. Anyway i stopped to play Forza 3 because i had to pay for what i enjoyed most. I couldn't lap Nordschleife because it was just not accurate and didn't give me the results i expected. ( I drove my real life car, the crossfire SRT6 on Nordschleife. Accoring to car magazines it should be good for a time about 8:30. All I managed was 9:00, although i had experience with the track from Gt4, although i was faster than 98% of the leaderboard on this track. That was quite depressing. After i got some information in this forum , i know the track is too long.) Anyway I expected to replace GT5 with Forza 4, because a year has passed and GT5 has done its job. But now Turn 10 is selling me the same Nordschleife they have sold me 2 years before and had been depressing me. So did they hit the nail for me? No, they didn't. If they wouldn't charge money for their multiplayer, i would play Forza 4 longer for sure. But I guess I will get the gold membership for a few months , get some Dlc and then put the game to rest again and cancel the membership so i can spend the money on something else.

First, I do believe more than 1/2 your post count is moaning about FM's Nords. Seriously, count your posts, then read your post history. I am pretty sure we get it. You love Nords, and wont get FM4 because of Nords.

Second, I find it rather funny you even brought up World of Warcraft. It offers more "bang for the buck?" Its the same concept. You are paying every month to play a game. The difference? Live offers you more than WoW. I wont get into how awesome Live is, but man, you need to bring a new argument to the table if you want people to think you are unbiased.

 

[prymet1me]

I am pretty sure i will have fun will the game. It's just that everyone has a different story to tell and everyone has other preferences. I don't have my copy of Forza 4 yet and i am really looking forward to it. Damned amazon, they are already selling it in the shops and mine isn't even shipped.

Put your love for the ring aside and enjoy this game for your inner car nut. I played this game for 12 hours yesterday and it game me a MUCH better first impression than FM3 did..MUCH MUCH better.

I honestly bought GT5 for many things that FM3 didnt have and it let me down, I feel like this game hit the nail on the head. If you have a 5.1 system you will be in car heaven because the sounds are just EARGASMIC. I was smiling like a 13 year old kid.

And they did a great job of addressing the sense of speed as well, I took the Veyron SS and the Agera to the benchmark ring and 240 mph actually feels dangerously fast now with the little things they do with sound and visuals when you go that fast.

 

[FuzzyFassbender]

I think the Race graphics (Premium) and Track list are still slightly in GT5's Favor.Really Interested to hear you guys's thoughts on the Physics Comparison.

I actually think had Forza been on the PS3 it would have sold more but Asking gamers to switch consoles and even changing Wheels (Logitech to Fanatec)is too much in my opinion.

Yeah, in most cases games are cross-platform except where the game development is subsidized by Sony or Microsoft to help sell consoles. You can't fault them as it works. A ton of PS3's were sold primarily because of the GT series. What sucks is game development, I hear, is much more difficult on the PS3 and it is starting to show in a number of newer titles. The horsepower is there but utilizing it seems difficult. F1 2011 looks much better on the Xbox and Shift 2 had crashing problems just to name a few. PD has done a good job of squeezing some power from the PS3 but that seems to be a anomaly.
One thing that was holding the Xbox back in racing sims was the availability of good wheels but that is changing. I bit the bullet and bought a cross-platform wheel and pedals but if the PS3 developers don't get their act together I don't know how may future titles I will be buying for the PS3. Other than the platform specific titles, at least now I can go with whichever platform runs the game better.

 

[sems4arsenal]

No need to do all of that, it works both ways. The way I see it is now Xbox owners have an awesome Sim racing franchise to call their own. Some franchises being exclusive are great for genre development and those exclusive games usually take the best advantage of their console.

And the physics are much different and less forgiving than FM3.

Yes but it seems that Most Forza gamers were once upon a time GT players.I would really love to get into Forza 4 but that is not going to Happen.But I agree both games improve themselves (and thankfuly for us improve the genre)

Totally disagree with tracks being better in GT5. Looks and real world varities, is top in my book, and that goes to FM4. Race graphics better in GT5? Even on premiums thats a hard call to make. I am curious, have you played FM4 yet?]

Well with the Addition of Spa ,GT5 has a better Ring,le sarthe and with the inclusion of Monza,Indy and other fantasy Tracks In my opinion it got the big ones.Of Course Forza is more Diverse and do some astonishing Modeling of tracks but If I sounded like GT5 has a way better track list then I apologize.

Get one wheel. A Fanatec, and be done with swapping wheels. Both compatability and quality are top notch. Makes life easier.
Fanatec works perfectly with Forza but isn't good when compared to even a G25 (GT5) so if you choose Fanatec chances are you will enjoy Forza more. 👍 but a good Middle solution.

Edith and although I didn't play Forza 4 I watch alot (I do mean alot)of videos and Photos and although the lighting System is something I really get astonished by it still looks somewhat too shiny if you get me ,racing on the ring with premium cars just has that special something that makes it look ultra real.

My 2 cents anyway 👍

 

[azrael1965]

First, I do believe more than 1/2 your post count is moaning about FM's Nords. Seriously, count your posts, then read your post history. I am pretty sure we get it. You love Nords, and wont get FM4 because of Nords.
Second, I find it rather funny you even brought up World of Warcraft. It offers more "bang for the buck?" Its the same concept. You are paying every month to play a game. The difference? Live offers you more than WoW. I wont get into how awesome Live is, but man, you need to bring a new argument to the table if you want people to think you are unbiased.

Maybe you should actually read my post. They might be hard to understand, because english is not my first language. But i never said I won't get FM4, i preordered it a longtime ago and i am still looking forward to it. And you shouldn't take my comment abou WoW seriously. Thanks god, i stopped to play it, but for the money you get a whole world with constantly updating content to play with and in my case x-box live did only offer me a matchmaking feature in FM3. I didn't use it for anything else. And i also don't claim to be unbiased. Noone who states a opinion, really is. Everyone is biased.

 

[Vaxxtx]

Fanatec works perfectly with Forza but isn't good when compared to even a G25 (GT5) so if you choose Fanatec chances are you will enjoy Forza more. 👍 but a good Middle solution.

Edit:Oh and although I didn't play Forza 4 I watch alot (I do mean alot)of videos and Photos and although the lighting System is something I really get astonished by it still looks somewhat too shiny if you get me ,racing on the ring with premium cars just has that special something that makes it look ultra real.

My 2 cents anyway 👍

Please tell me where you got that information.

That isnt correct at all. Fanatec wheels work perfect for both PS3 and XBox. The fact you can change setting on the wheel that a game doesnt offer (like rotation, damper, spring, etc. tc.) makes it even more compatible than the G-series....even for GT5.

Videos and photo's are not a fair way of judging 2 games. Unless you played them both its hard to tell. Just saying.

 

[Hotspitta]

This looks on par if not better than gt5 imo.

 

[azrael1965]

This looks on par if not better than gt5 imo.

Great car! I would buy this for 20 € if offered as the only car in a dlc for GT5. But i would also pay 20 € if they give me the GT5 Nordschleife as a track in Forza 4.

 

[Hotspitta]

AGERAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!

 

[sems4arsenal]

Please tell me where you got that information.

That isnt correct at all. Fanatec wheels work perfect for both PS3 and XBox. The fact you can change setting on the wheel that a game doesnt offer (like rotation, damper, spring, etc. tc.) makes it even more compatible than the G-series....even for GT5.

Videos and photo's are not a fair way of judging 2 games. Unless you played them both its hard to tell. Just saying.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=226544&page=11 Post 220 .

Yes Videos and Photos are not the best way to compare but they certainly are a way.

 

[RWB1213]

I grew up on GT . . . from the beginning of the franchise, the GT formula for console driving and racing was sacred to me. GT titles always delivered an unthinkable level of realism and innovation when compared to any other console driving game. Along came the Forza franchise . . . different but similar, better and worse- always runner-up. Forza 3 was released in huge void of anything from PD- and while being more than a bit too grippy and easy to handle in the physics department, it was the only game in town- and a good innovative game at that. Finally, the long awaited GT5 arrives- with an immense amount of time, money and marketing behind it, hopes couldn't have been higher (my fault?) After the new glow of GT5 (about two weeks of playing time)- pure boredom due to the cruddy AI, lame Bspec, horrible progression and mandatory grinding. If not for the online racing, GT5 would have been an epic fail. To me, GT5 seems to win all the wrong battles (weather/time/car count) while completely surrendering other territory to Forza (AI/Customization/Community/Online Racing Features.) Fortunately, for GT5 at the core, the handling/physics modelling (which is absolutely key to any driving simulator) are rock solid. Compared with FM3, GT5 wins on physics and handling alone to me. Compared with FM4 (and it's much improved physics) . . . GT5 as a title honestly feels empty, aged and formulaic. What once made GT stand alone, now makes it mundane . . . I'm not giving up, DLC/v2.0 appear to have some substance, but honestly, save SPA, the rest of the improvements belonged in the original release. More premiums? More Color Chips? More Driving suits? More go-karts? Come'on man. I have several hundred hours logged on both FM3 and GT5, and I would not give up either of them. I have a total of 6 hours on FM4, and it may be the new game glow, but I sense a changing of the guard. Just my thoughts . . . respect.

 

[Anna+Reece]

This may be my only post in this thread. Both of the games are great. I don't have biased thoughts for one of the games, because I play them both and I enjoy them both.

 

[FyreandIce]

AGERAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!

Must.

Not.

Pop.

Agera.

CHERRY!

 

[Vaxxtx]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=226544&page=11 Post 220 .

Yes Videos and Photos are not the best way to compare but they certainly are a way.

That is one persons opinion. I however have used both as well, and dont agree about the wheels...granted it was a G27, and before spec 2.

Point is, and no offense to you, but it seems too many people takea others words for something instead of seeing for themselves. I dont put much into that.

 

[sems4arsenal]

That is one persons opinion. I however have used both as well, and dont agree about the wheels...granted it was a G27, and before spec 2.

Point is, and no offense to you, but it seems too many people takea others words for something instead of seeing for themselves. I dont put much into that.

COnsidering that Post was by amar (one of the most professional and respected members here)I have no reason to doubt him (He wasn't the only one ,his post was the most Comprehension friendly that's all).

Oh and If you Updated GT5 how does Spec 2 and Forza 4 Compare in the Physics department ?

 

[Spagetti69]

COnsidering that Post was by amar (one of the most professional and respected members here)I have no reason to doubt him (He wasn't the only one ,his post was the most Comprehension friendly that's all).

Oh and If you Updated GT5 how does Spec 2 and Forza 4 Compare in the Physics department ?

Sorry to butt in here.

I read Amar's post about the G series being better for GT.

I think that he gets that impression from PD's impression of FF.

Other developers have gotten a lot more out of the Fanatecs than PD have.
I wouldn't go as far as to say the G25/27 is a better wheel because the best FF I have felt on console was from a Fanatec.

I would have to add here that PD were working with Thrustmaster as you know.
Fanatec was an after thought. Maybe not even that. Not a criticism of PD BTW.

Amar also has his opinion on the wireless technology Xbox uses, not being able to keep up as it were, with the tech used by PD.

Nothing personal Amar if your reading.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Sorry to butt in here.

I read Amar's post about the G series being better for GT.

I think that he gets that impression from PD's impression of FF.

Other developers have gotten a lot more out of the Fanatecs than PD have.
I wouldn't go as far as to say the G25/27 is a better wheel because the best FF I have felt on console was from a Fanatec.

I would have to add here that PD were working with Thrustmaster as you know.
Fanatec was an after thought. Maybe not even that. Not a criticism of PD BTW.

Amar also has his opinion on the wireless technology Xbox uses, not being able to keep up as it were, with the tech used by PD.

Nothing personal Amar if your reading.

Yes I agree PD Worked on the Logi Gs better and I am not saying the Fanatec wheels are worse ,I just wanted to prove that Owning a Fanatec will lead you to Play Forza 4 more than GT5 so not the best middle choice any how . 👍

 

[PzR Slim]

COnsidering that Post was by amar (one of the most professional and respected members here)I have no reason to doubt him (He wasn't the only one ,his post was the most Comprehension friendly that's all).

Oh and If you Updated GT5 how does Spec 2 and Forza 4 Compare in the Physics department ?

I own both a Fanatec with clubsport pedals and a G25 and the the Fanatec wins hands down on any driving game I play including GT5, especially the clubsport pedals. The load cell makes a huge difference to the braking in game.

 

[cuco33]

Yes I agree PD Worked on the Logi Gs better and I am not saying the Fanatec wheels are worse ,I just wanted to prove that Owning a Fanatec will lead you to Play Forza 4 more than GT5 so not the best middle choice any how . 👍

I would think the game being better would lead it to being played more over another game, not a high quality peripheral being used on both... but that's me

 

[Vaxxtx]

Back to my point...I wouldnt critize GT5's gameplay if I didnt play it. I wouldnt say this wheel is better than that without using both.

I just find it hard to swallow when people make a judgment off of one or a few peoples opinions instead of making on of their own.

Case in point, watching gameplay and actually playing a game. Saying X wheel is better than Y wheel, because you "heard" that is the way it is. The world is full of opinions, and you cant always rely on someone to form one for you.

 

[cuco33]

This looks on par if not better than gt5 imo.

Everytime I drive a RUF in the game (once so far lol), see a pic of one or a video like this aggravates me to know that Porsche should be in the game.... ugggggghhhh!!!! lol
maybe via DLC?!

 

[badeddy]

Here is my opinion comparing both games. First I would like the address the Nurburgring Nord argument. In FM3 my struggle with this track in particular was how they designed it along with the perception of speed within the game made the experience dull compared to gt5. I don't think that the problem was that the track was too wide but rather they made a narrow track and a wider than normal run off area on the sides of the track. This also affected how you view the track when driving because it gives you greater distance to see and so the corners aren't blind and you didn't get the seat of the pants experience and challenge you got from gt5s version. The other thing that helps Gt5 is there are more trees and background foliage so it helps aid this. With Forza 4 IMO this has been somewhat remedied because of the effect of speed being increased in the game. The track itself is just as narrow if not more so in this version and i really like how they added so much in the background. My only gripe with it is that the run off areas are still to wide in some parts of the track. Now that that's out of the way here is my comparison. on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being best.
gt5 vs forza 4

1. Graphics:Gt5 gets a 9 forza 4 gets a 9.5. Honestly the deciding factor here is twofold some of gt5s tracks look poorly done to me. They seem to have spent more time on the nurburgring than any other track. Compare the top gear test track and look at the background buildings etc. While Gt5s track looks as good the backgrounds do not IMO. The second thing that gives Forza 4 the edge here IMO is that it seems to be more polished in every aspect but especially in the graphics dept.

2. Sound: Gt5 gets a 7 while Forza 4 IMO gets a 10. This category plays a huge part of teh overall experience of the game. Anyone who has ever visited a race track understands that sound is part of what makes motorsports so great. With Gt5 if you mod your car with the totally customizable transmission it makes every car sound as if it's supercharged while the engine sounds are already OK at best. Some cars sound like weed wackers to me. Tire squeel isn't that convincing to me as well. Forza 4 on the other hand nails the sounds and actually ups the bar with forza 4. The engine sounds are phenomenal, tire squeel is great and even the point at which the breaks lock up or you are at the edge of grip has the tire sounds perfect.

3. Tuning: GT5 gets an 8 while Forza4 gets a 10. This is really where Gt5 has me at a loss. The game is entitled the real race/driving simulator however there are no brake upgrades, Tires are limited in that you cannot increase width or diameter nor is their an option that lets you tune tire pressure, there are no engine or drive train swaps, Aero kits are limited and some tuning options are just plain generic ie engine mods include stage 1-3 and an ecu upgrade only. Forza 4 on the other hand has the nail on the head with a plethora of options for all categories. If you are going to advertise as the real race/ driving simulator please realize that the 3 most important areas of this in real life are BRAKES, TIRES, AND AERO but again this is just my opinion.

4. Painting: This category IMO is a no brainer. GT5 gets a 2 here while forza 4 gets a 10. First GT5 doesn't have a livery editor this should come in some form or another as standard on any racer even if you have preselected liveries for the cars. Next in GT5 why should I have to earn car colors to paint other cars with? If I go to an auto dealer they normally have several factory colors or i can go to a paint shop and pay for whatever colors i want. At the least GT5 should have done this. Forza 4 on the other hand has an incredible livery editor of which i have seen some of the most beautiful paint jobs and replicas made of real cars and in some instances they look better than the real cars. Also with Forza 4 you can now adjust the tints hues etc of any color you pick in the advanced options.

5. Physics: There was a day when GT5s physics were better than forzas but this day has passed. Both games are a tie in this category for me and get a 10. To me you can drive either of these games and be extremely happy with the physics model presented

6. Tracks: Both games have tracks that the other does not and so it's close in this category i have to give my vote to forza because all of their tracks look polished. So my vote here is GT5 gets a 9 vs Forza 4 getting a 9.5. Both games also have the ability to up the track count with dlc so this is why it is close.

7. Weather and types of racing: GT5 shines here with rally, carting and dynamic weather changes as well as night racing so i give it a 10 here and Forza a 8 because forza does have options for races like the auto soccer, tag virus etc and in FM4 although we didn't get weather changes we did get various times of day. We are still lacking a rally option as well.

8. Online community, perks/ contests: The final category i put in a lump sum because it's all tied in. Gt5 gets a 5 in this category whereas Forza gets a 10. I think the problem with PD and Kaz is that he spends more time doing GT academy and being in the lime light than developing GT5 the reason i bring that up is because it is considered one of the perks and selling points of GT5 ie doing the time trials for gt academy quals in real life. You can also take a look at gt4 which was a much more polished game and was developed when there was no GT academy. GT TV was a decent idea but realistically if i want to watch real car videos I will go to youtube or buy the DVDs on my own. The last thing i want to do when playing a racing game is stop to watch car movies. Now with Forza 4 dropping we get GT5 2.0 with a better intro ( uhhhhh he should have spent the time and efforts putting more into the game to make it look like the intro than making another intro), Dlc coming but i doubt that it will be on the scale of Forza 4 with members getting 10 cars a month and more than likely extra tracks. This also brings me to another little detail Gt5 boasted about over 1000 cars but again only 200 were premium with the rest being ports from older gt titles with sub par graphics and no dash view. ( the new dash views in black shadows are horrible and imo a weak attempt at pacifying those who were disappointed by the lack of this option). I always thought that if Gt 5 had more online options and community that they should have done just what Forza is doing. Release a polished game with the 200 or so premium cars and then each month add more premium cars to up the count. Forza has it in my vote again with this category with unicorn cars, car packs dlc, track pack dlc, various types of racing online, Forza 4 brings back the ability to create public and private rooms and even if you are just wanting to hang out and be silly they have auto soccer, tag, virus etc. Also with auction house, car clubs ( which is my favorite perk), storefronts, community contest etc. The partnering up with top gear and auto vista with Jeremy Clarkson giving commentary is pure genius IMO. Forza wins in this category hands down.

These 8 categories are my opinion and score as to which game is better in it's category and why. It is my opinion that Forza 4 trumps GT5 in most areas and is overall a better and more polished product. Also considering that it took PD 6 years to release gt5 and what we got was a lot of empty promises imo vs the shorter time of turn 10 and we got exactly what they said we would my vote goes to Forza 4. the final total scores are.

GT5=7.5 vs Forza 4= 9.6 the scores were gotten by adding up all categories and dividing by 8.

 

[HBK]

This needs to be confirmed (I don't have the game yet), but it seems the game runs in sub-720p in multiplayer.

I am cry.

Source : Some friends who have the game on XBL.

Again, this needs confirmation.

 

[Spagetti69]

I think the lack of leader boards could be down to limitations of PSN.

I'm not tech minded at all so it's just how I see it.

I would imagine leaderboards taking 5 minutes to update.
Every thing on PSN runs slower than my Xbox live.

Friends updating, storefronts, downloads, just seem that little bit slower.

Not really a big gripe as one is free and one is paid.
Both have advantages.

Think PD's hands are a bit tied.

 

[Hybrid461]

Question for any FM4 owners. As i have gt5 and forza 3, wondering if FM4 is worth purchasing or not. It looks nice, and the update to physics is tempting. But it doesnt seem to really offer much more that the other two games dont have already.

Tho i suppose the different tracks on top gear layout are interesting.

 

[badeddy]

Question for any FM4 owners. As i have gt5 and forza 3, wondering if FM4 is worth purchasing or not. It looks nice, and the update to physics is tempting. But it doesnt seem to really offer much more that the other two games dont have already.

Tho i suppose the different tracks on top gear layout are interesting.

Forza 4 is light years better than 3 IMO. You will not be dissapointed in your purchase if you liked Forza 3 at all. Please read my previous post on the comparison.

 

[RWB1213]

Question for any FM4 owners. As i have gt5 and forza 3, wondering if FM4 is worth purchasing or not. It looks nice, and the update to physics is tempting. But it doesnt seem to really offer much more that the other two games dont have already.

Tho i suppose the different tracks on top gear layout are interesting.

If you really enjoy driving games like most everyone who dares post on these forums, then IMO you shouldn't pass up FM4. It is a more than a full version upgrade from FM3 and is absolutely in the top echelon of console drivers/racers. The physics and handling are far superior to FM3, which to me is reason alone. If you're into racers and you are also an F1 fan, F1 2011 should be in your collection as well (most probably the best of current gen console F1 racing titles.)

 

[TiZzla]

You do realise that that pics has been set up to look like that right? Look at the grass and FM4 logo. See how they all appear as they shouldn't. Don't let me get in the way of your bashing though.

What so the brakes have been photoshopped to look like that?

 

[TBanff]

Forza Ring GP


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GT5 Ring GP


Forza Indy


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GT5 Indy


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Just a quick comparison I did this afternoon. Apologies for not matching the lighting better, but as you can see both games are very comparable I think. Perhaps, slightly more detail in GT5. Glass seems better looking on Indy with GT. Some extra detail and tens in Forza which is nice.

The Ring to me looks to have slightly more building detail in GT5 but the reflection on Forza is appreciated. Overall, though I think GT takes the prize overall. But I'm sure they are comparisons, like I read before about the Top Gear track where the detail is greater on Forza than GT, so this is hardly conclusive.

But hopefully this was constructive enough to warrant some photos.