That said, now that GT5 has been brushed under the rug by FM4...
Well, there's an unbiased post!
I don't mind broadening the discussion to cover both games over all for a while, but I think a differing view properly stated is in order.
The A.I. in Forza 4 is BAD. Racing offline is utter hell. This is behavior somewhere between the murderous tards in FM1 and bashy bums in F2. If they entered themselves in any enthusiast racing event, they'd be thrown out in minutes. Most likely with some violence on top. I'll take bots that have manners over the Fast N Furious mobs, even if GT5's bots are boring and brake too hard in turns. Oh wait, so do Forza 4's bots. And don't drive into a mob, or get ready to get banged around. A lot.
I can see why people like the sound of the cars in F4, your own car anyway. In stock form, your cars all sound like they have at least a V8 with a racing muffler. It's not just wrong, it's obnoxious, and it covers up what little noise the tires make before they start losing grip. I haven't raced in any of the race cars, but if you listen to replays without focusing on your car, you'll notice that the bot vehicles are quite meek in contrast, and sound reminiscent of vacuum cleaners. Unfortunately, the roar of the driver's car is so obnoxious, I have to play with the sound way down, and this is
after biasing the audio for the tires in the options. Call me a fanboy if you like, but I'll take GT5's sounds any day.
Hey, the Nordschleife is wrong, might as well include that too, even though I rather like the variation. I much prefer GT5's Ring, obviously.
I really dislike the Forza car behavior in a turn, as they tend to oversteer, and keep turning, unless I yank the wheel to break it up. Again, this is with the MS FFB Wheel, but if it takes a Fanatec wheel to the tune of $250 - minus pedals and shifter, mind you - to get a proper feel for the cars, something is very wrong with the steering code for this game.
In many other ways, Forza is superb. Car ballistics in a collision look very lively and realistic, almost as good as the physics in Live For Speed. The cars have weight and look more like it. The over-the-top engine roar sure gets your Speed Racer juices flowing. Body modding and livery painting are a dream come true for a car maker such as myself. While the graphics look more Hollywood than real, no doubt to the lighting work done by a Hollywood graphic studio, they do look marvelous. While damage is toned down a bit, it looks great, and when the bots get done banging you around the track, the cars look suitably beat up. I don't doubt that online is better, but I durst not try it with cars feeling loose and unsteady to me. I'd love to upload some pics at some point, but I have to convince MS to let me in their boards on my old account first, since they seem to have problems making things truly user friendly.
Now having said that, I don't see anything ugly in GT5. I love the Standard cars and tracks, and want more of both if I can have them sooner. Sure, I'd love more Premium content, but Polyphony isn't funded by a monopoly which is made of cash, and who can afford to employ upward of 400 people to make the game.
I can use pretty much whatever wheel I want, and the DFGT feels almost the same as the more expensive G25. I can feel the cars better than in F4. I feel connected to the car in ways F4 just can't. I can actually attack turns in any car with much more confidence - and competence, and if you don't feel in control of your ride, there goes a whole lot of fun factor right out the power window.
As weak as some of you feel Rally is in GT5, it's there. Weather? Time of day changes? It's there on choice tracks, and it's darn nice. I know some of you loathe the car selection in Gran Turismo games, but I'm going to buy and drive every single car at least once. Even the Prius.
I know favor given to racing games is an entirely individual thing, and is taste driven as much as any facts or statistics. But some of you are a little too eager to write the eulogy for GT5, and it looks very much alive around the world, even in America.
PD wasn't in the area that was destroyed by the Tsunami first off and yes it was hit by the quake...but it didn't affect it either, nor did any of the other tons of quakes that happen there every year (including other big ones).
You're forgetting the rolling blackouts that struck the northern part of the country for many weeks. Not to mention, the lack of enthusiasm they probably suffered for some time. Maybe you were fine after 9-11, but I was a poor worker until the next year.
You might as well drop your argument, because it seems clear that you've never gone through a catastrophe of any kind.
then you talk about fanatism... I used the video to talk about the sounds not to compare the AI or bash FM4 AI. I even said the outside sounds in FM4 sound way better than in FM3.
