FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[goldiefx]

It's really a good time for racing game fans. We got F1 2011, GT5 Spec II + DLC, Forza 4 + November Speed pack within a few months. We should all be happy.

I agree, mind you i don't agree with gt5 spect 2 / dlc tho. For me it wasn't worth getting, not for 2 tracks and a few race modded cars, But that just my point of view and wont trash anyone who has paid for it.

 

[HBK]

The average time i spent on a video game is about 10-14 hours. I have spent hundreds of hours on GT5, i am still enjoying it and still have lots of things to do. That is what makes it excellent for me.

One shall not confuse quantity and quality.

 

[Daverytimes]

I agree, mind you i don't agree with gt5 spect 2 / dlc tho. For me it wasn't worth getting, not for 2 tracks and a few race modded cars, But that just my point of view and wont trash anyone who has paid for it.

And that's how it should be, i hated how they handled the DLC but i am happy that we at last got something. The trend in here is people stating opinion's and then going after other people's opinions. JDMking say's GT5 gives him the best experience but you have people like Vaxxtx and GTForzafan trying to convince him that GT5 doesn't give the best experience. How come the Forza faithfuls find it hard to just respect the guys opinion, he likes Forza but prefers GT over it. Simple, cased closed.

 

[azrael1965]

One shall not confuse quantity and quality.

Believe me, i am married, i have small business and i am 37 now, so i have limited time to spent on games, so i am not very good anymore. I can distinguish between quality and quantity pretty well. Every minute i spent on GT5 was quality time, i could have spent on one of more than 100 other games on steam, PS3 or XBox 360, i have collected over the years. I enjoyed every minute and every corner in GT5, as i did with with each minute spent on FM4. So they are both excellent games to me. Bad luck for you if you do not enjoy GT5 as much as i do. But in the GT5 vs FM4 rivalry i consider myself to be one of the winners, because i have 2 top quality racing games which both have some features the other one does not have.

 

[Scaff]

How come the Forza faithfuls find it hard to just respect the guys opinion, he likes Forza but prefers GT over it. Simple, cased closed.

Given that the exact same thing is true if you replace the word Forza with Gran Turismo (and vis versa) in your statement, I feel that certain members on both sides need to understand the difference between opinion and fact.


Scaff

 

[Daverytimes]

Given that the exact same thing is true if you replace the word Forza with Gran Turismo (and vis versa) in your statement, I feel that certain members on both sides need to understand the difference between opinion and fact.


Scaff

Yep.

 

[Vaxxtx]

And that's how it should be, i hated how they handled the DLC but i am happy that we at last got something. The trend in here is people stating opinion's and then going after other people's opinions. JDMking say's GT5 gives him the best experience but you have people like Vaxxtx and GTForzafan trying to convince him that GT5 doesn't give the best experience. How come the Forza faithfuls find it hard to just respect the guys opinion, he likes Forza but prefers GT over it. Simple, cased closed.

Please show me where I am trying to convince anyone to play something they dont want to.

Just because I see GT5 as a flawed game, and talk about many of those flaws doesnt mean I am trying to convert anyone to play something else. I do find it hard to understand how somebody could actually enjoy GT5 beyond a few minutes, but that doesnt mean I am trying to get them to stop playing.

 

[HBK]

Just because I see GT5 as a flawed game, and talk about many of those flaws doesnt mean I am trying to convert anyone to play something else. I do find it hard to understand how somebody could actually enjoy GT5 beyond a few minutes, but that doesnt mean I am trying to get them to stop playing.

My thoughts exactly.

I might also add that anyone genuinely feeling that every minute spent on a game was quality time is just blinded by love. I don't recall any game I've ever played where I didn't have at least one "man, that's just crap" moment.

 

[azrael1965]

Given that the exact same thing is true if you replace the word Forza with Gran Turismo (and vis versa) in your statement, I feel that certain members on both sides need to understand the difference between opinion and fact.


Scaff

When you read the last two postings by vaxxtx and hbx, it would seem as if someone who enjoys Gt5 must be a fool. As the game is 'just crap' and it's hardly understandable that somebody could actually enjoy GT5 beyond a few minutes. Well for me Gt5 is still a excellent game, so have fun. i will leave this discussion. In the future i will stick to the GT part of this forum with all the other fools who seem to enjoy the game.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Over reacting are we, but going off a guy who said he is biased doesn't surprise me at all. The Forza faithfuls... Vatxxt what you did there can be done with any game including your precious.

You about done belittling people that don't share your opinion? Jesus.

 

[HBK]

When you read the last two postings by vaxxtx and hbx, it would seem as if someone who enjoys Gt5 must be a fool. As the game is 'just crap' and it's hardly understandable that somebody could actually enjoy GT5 beyond a few minutes. Well for me Gt5 is still a excellent game, so have fun. i will leave this discussion. In the future i will stick to the GT part of this forum with all the other fools who seem to enjoy the game.

Don't put words into people's mouths. No one enjoying GT5 is a fool. But anyone enjoying every moment of it, is. Pretty much like anyone enjoying every moment of FM4, is. No game is perfect. GT5 isn't. And if you can't see the faults in GT5, yes, you're blinded.

I for one can see the faults of FM4 (not so good graphics, lots of erroneous models/cockpits, long loading times, uninteresting world tour mode, audio glitches, steering glitches/assists, low number of tracks), I just think they are objectively on a whole other scale than the massive failings of GT5 (missing features, unstable framerate/tearing all over the place, buttugly shadows, visible clipping on many tracks, 800 PS2-era cars, many PS2-era tracks, lack of basic tuning features, bat**** crazy GUI, insanely long loading times, low number of events available, absence of damage in single player, bad design decisions all over the place including paint chips and level unlocks, man there's just too many of them).

But hey, to each their own.

 

[Crispy]

Came back to GT for a little bit. Heard of a lot of people saying Spa and Caterham=insta fun, so I decided to try it out for myself.

First thing I noticed is, cockpits should have never been placed on standards. It just makes them look even worse. It was fun watching the wheels bounce around, and seeing the roll cage, but once I noticed the reflection on the hood, I instantly couldn't take it. The reflection was of a pixilated tree, even in we were nowhere near any trees. Not to mention that 1982 graphics looked better than that reflection.

Honestly, I can't really come back to GT5 anymore. (Keep in mind I play with a controller on Forza, and wheel on GT) I just don't feel as connected. You can feel the weight transfer better in Forza, and the sense of speed really makes it more fun and immersive. When I'm going 100 MPH in GT5, it feels I'm going something like 40 MPH. It, for lack of better words, bores me.

Can't wait for a certain package to arrive so I can play some Forza with a wheel!

 

[jergto]

Came back to GT for a little bit. Heard of a lot of people saying Spa and Caterham=insta fun, so I decided to try it out for myself.

First thing I noticed is, cockpits should have never been placed on standards. It just makes them look even worse. It was fun watching the wheels bounce around, and seeing the roll cage, but once I noticed the reflection on the hood, I instantly couldn't take it. The reflection was of a pixilated tree, even in we were nowhere near any trees. Not to mention that 1982 graphics looked better than that reflection.

Honestly, I can't really come back to GT5 anymore. (Keep in mind I play with a controller on Forza, and wheel on GT) I just don't feel as connected. You can feel the weight transfer better in Forza, and the sense of speed really makes it more fun and immersive. When I'm going 100 MPH in GT5, it feels I'm going something like 40 MPH. It, for lack of better words, bores me.

Can't wait for a certain package to arrive so I can play some Forza with a wheel!

I like this post especially the bold part. I feel the same way, in fact I have an SSD drive in my PS3 that is most likely gonna get taken out to put in my living room HTPC. The other day I turned on my slim ps3 with an SSD drive and it still took forever to navigate the menus.

Like crispy said GT5 bores me, A-spec alone is probably close to 1/6 of the Event list in Forza.
And if you're a GT5 fan, you cannot brag about playing online because what Forza has to offer is more than PD can put out or dream of. Turn10 did their homework, they did not rest on their laurels.

That said coming from the GT side, if you have the money I suggest buying an X360 if you are a car freak like me. The controls take some getting used to but its worth it.
Who else would incorporate a clutch button??
How abut tuning on the fly, just go to Test drive and you can pause anytime on the track and tune from there, no end race/restart race BS.
Are you a good tuner? You can sell your setups!
You can also sell your vinyls!
Different Tire widths? You don't say!
How about changing rim sizes? YUP ON ANY CAR TOO.
There are sooooo many cars worthy of a super car fanatics attention, why go through 50 skylines, 20 miatas or even prius'???

I love FM4 and will still check out GT5 from time to time, but Forza is what I'll be playing!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm noticing a trend here,Most if not all petrol heads play and enjoy both games as well as others. And most of them post true unbiased opinions about both games.

I agree and us petrol heads seem to be the ones that also know what a racing game should have whether it be GT5 and FM4 or F1 2011, iracing and rfactor. It's the gamers that aren't petrol heads that I sometimes feel like they don't understand why a lot of us ask for more from all these games...cause we're speed nuts and gear heads.

EDIT: I have to agree with you guys on the GT5 aspect I just started building premium touge cars and I have to say this is the most fun I've gotten out of the game, it doesn't feel like the other GTs and gives me that excitement for what car I might win next like GT3 did with the f1 cars, or GT2 with the dragster and JGTC cars or GT40 and GT90 back then. When I race on or offline I don't feel accomplished I feel bored and for a game I've owned a year touge is the only fun thing I've found which has just picked up recently. I hope someone does touge on FM4 and starts a GT2 series and LMP1 series.

 

[azrael1965]

One shall not confuse quantity and quality.

I might also add that anyone genuinely feeling that every minute spent on a game was quality time is just blinded by love.

Don't put words into people's mouths. No one enjoying GT5 is a fool. But anyone enjoying every moment of it, is. Pretty much like anyone enjoying every moment of FM4, is. No game is perfect. GT5 isn't. And if you can't see the faults in GT5, yes, you're blinded.

Do i need to discuss with someone who claims to know better if i am spending qualiry time or not? Someone who claims that i am blinded by love because i am enjoying it? Well everyone has different standards and expectations. Mine seem to be rather low. But still i am old enough to know what quality time is for me and if i am blinded by love or not. If i loved GT5 so much, would i have even considering buying Forza 4? Would i be playing it? I might be in love with the Nordschleife track but i am certainly not in love with a game anymore. Something does not need to be perfect to you enjoyment. And both games are vast enough that everyone can select the gamemode, car, track, physics he/she prefers. So do i need to sit in a standard car driving on Laguna Seca in GT5? I hate the FM4 Nordschleife, do i need to drive on it? I don't think so. What is important is that GT5 seems to have lost its advantage in physics and that is a good thing.
Anyway i just get the feeling that you are not respecting my own PERSONAL opinion and are trying to force yours on me (No qualtity time, blinded by love) , so what is the point of discussing with you?

 

[GTForzafan]

azrael the problem with many posters like you, it's sentences that show that you didn't play enough forza 4, to have a complete opinion...
When you said, that forza 4 had only short races, shows your lack of knowledge about the game....
Then again, most posters here like, to underline the great qualities of GT 5, the good graphics, the excelent photomode, the different modes, but only talk about the Good side, in GT 5 there is a dark side ... that proves that as a " GAME" falls short....
Some of you, deal very bad with this FACT....
A game like GT5, with his clumbersome menus, confusing navigation, lack of consistency, the difference between standard tracks and standard cars and premium is HUGE, even with the 2.1 Update....
Hell, with the constant Paches e huge updates, it still has HUGE problems....
How can some neglect or let it slide, the lack/ blackish cockptis, for most of the standard cars, the vaccum cleaners sounds, the limitations of the standards not only graphical but customization, as a Whole is lacking.... ( even if you don't care for customization), the weather and day cycles, only on certain scenarios and tracks.
No one is saying, that GT5 doesn't offer quantity, but the quality is not equally distributed...
Now, about the Better driving experience, that isn't a fact....
The better "game" is forza, withou any doubt, and by better game i mean not only, the critics and reviewers side, but also by a gamer's perspective, it feels complete and consistent....
Not perfect....
Better doesn't mean perfect....
That's what some of you, don't want to admit... or face the facts....
It's not my opinion, it's the cold truth....

Again about the standards, some of you make me laugh, if you play GT5, you know that in some areas, you are forced to use that kind of vehicles...
Let's all forget that 75/ 80% vehicles are standard quality, and talk about the beautiful and premium models...
When you judge a game, you judge and review it as Whole, not particular aspects...

 

[HBK]

Anyway i just get the feeling that you are not respecting my own PERSONAL opinion and are trying to force yours on me (No qualtity time, blinded by love) , so what is the point of discussing with you?

You see, that's the whole point. You obviously like GT5 to the point where you do not see its faults. I have absolutely no problem with that, and I'm not here to convince you to think otherwise. Nevertheless, I'm pointing this fact, and whether or not you accept it is up to you.

 

[GTForzafan]

HBK, if they can ignore, the awful attempt of minimize a stupid decision by PD, of including blackish cockpits, with no wipers working, and playing a game that sometimes makes me think of a HD PS2 collection... with the PS2 tracks and standard cars
What can you expect ?
These blind supporters, have a legacy...
I think, that the five years waiting, with a glorified demo in between, with the cost of a full game ,the expectations, were lowered, because they just wanted to play the damn game, even if it came half- finished....
I believe that if it was up to Kazunori himself, the game would have been in development, who knows for more one or two years, and that shortcut that PD took, it's reflected very well in the game...

 

[azrael1965]

azrael the problem with many posters like you, it's sentences that show that you didn't play enough forza 4, to have a complete opinion...
When you said, that forza 4 had only short races, shows your lack of knowledge about the game....
When you judge a game, you judge and review it as Whole, not particular aspects...

Obviously I haven't been playing FM4 enough. But it was enough for me to state that it might be the better game. How i rate Forza 4 has nothing to do with the fact that i enjoyed my time spent on GT5. But HBK was insisting that it was quantity and not quality and that i must be blinded by love to have liked it at all. But how can he do that if he doesn't know what i was doing in these hundred of hours. Obviously i wasn't spending my time in clumbersome menus, the confusing navigations or on standard tracks and cars, i was choosing the szenarios where this game shines and i personally liked as i do in other driving games. This is not a linear game like some first person shooters or RPGs.
And i don't have to judge a game as i am not a professional game reviewer, but yes if i were, Forza 4 would get the higher score.

 

[GTForzafan]

Azrael the game doesn't always let u choose, don't pass false ideas...
"i was choosing the szenarios where this game shines and i personally liked as i do in other driving games."
So you are assuming that, you are carefully selecting the bright side of GT5....
Ok, good luck playing not even half of content of the game, because most of content, vehicles and tracks is not premium... mind you...

 

[Akira AC]

Azrael the game doesn't always let u choose, don't pass false ideas...
"i was choosing the szenarios where this game shines and i personally liked as i do in other driving games."
So you are assuming that, you are carefully selecting the bright side of GT5....
Ok, good luck playing not even half of content of the game, because most of content, vehicles and tracks is not premium... mind you...

Argue the point don't attack the person making it

 

[azrael1965]

Azrael the game doesn't always let u choose, don't pass false ideas...
"i was choosing the szenarios where this game shines and i personally liked as i do in other driving games."
So you are assuming that, you are carefully selecting the bright side of GT5....
Ok, good luck playing not even half of content of the game, because most of content, vehicles and tracks is not premium... mind you...

Sure GT5 is not as accessible as Forza 4 is and as a game, it is inferior to Forza 4, which does have a nice player friendly career mode. But we are still talking about sim games, in the end the player chooses what car on which track he/she wants to drive. I read a iracing review in a german games magazine and it got a score of 68/100. Well as a game it might fail completly but it's a great simulator. So it's just fair that Forza 4 has the highest metacritic score of all racing games.

 

[HBK]

As a game, iRacing should be scored 0/100.
iRacing is not a game, it's a virtual sports club.

 

[GTForzafan]

akiraacecombat ... i'm attacking him ? Where ?
By saying that it's HIM , when he assumes that himself, that HE always choose the better side of GT5 and I'm only telling the truth, in GT5 the game sometimes makes You use standard material, so he can't always choose...
Don't nitpick, I'm only refering to his choices, if you see that as an attack, maybe you have issues ?

GT5 and Forza are sim-like games, none of them reach the sim levels of Iracing or a GTR-2 or Live for speed

Azrael so you agree with me, Forza as a GAME is better organized, has consistency and offers a balanced content with the same quality all the time...
About the Sim part, it's personal opinion, i don't agree that GT5 or Forza are SIMS, they are WannaBe sims perhaps...

By the way, did you felt that i Was attacking you....?
If you play GT5, you know that many times, the game doesn't let u choose the best part ....

 

[ItsHim]

If you play GT5, you know that many times, the game doesn't let u choose the best part ....

Rubbish.

Thanks to seasonals, XP and credits started to flow by the truckload. There is zero need to do any race one doesn't fancy besides some rare prize cars that can't be acquired otherwise.

Furthermore if you feel standard cars aren't up to your standards: bad luck mate. They do look decent enough to me.

Now from what I learned T10 has yet again accomplished to offer loads of gameplay content to people that can't actually be bothered to race. Is it true all city tracks got axed? That car football is part of the career? There's a challenge to overtake a number of cars in a given time?

That all sounds awfully familiar. Just like in the good old PGR days.

And don't even get me started on the fantasy tracks that look like straight out of a comic book.

So, yes, the brilliant part of GT5 might be hard to spot at times, but I rather take it the way it is and have the freedom of doing what I happen to fancy. Thank you very much.

 

[Symtex]

Rubbish.

Thanks to seasonals, XP and credits started to flow by the truckload. There is zero need to do any race one doesn't fancy besides some rare prize cars that can't be acquired otherwise.

Furthermore if you feel standard cars aren't up to your standards: bad luck mate. They do look decent enough to me.

Now from what I learned T10 has yet again accomplished to offer loads of gameplay content to people that can't actually be bothered to race. Is it true all city tracks got axed? That car football is part of the career? There's a challenge to overtake a number of cars in a given time?

That all sounds awfully familiar. Just like in the good old PGR days.

And don't even get me started on the fantasy tracks that look like straight out of a comic book.

So, yes, the brilliant part of GT5 might be hard to spot at times, but I rather take it the way it is and have the freedom of doing what I happen to fancy. Thank you very much.

I can tell that you never played Forza 4 just by reading your comments. I think you should at least trying it before commenting.

 

[GTForzafan]

Its Him.... thank you very much, You are by definition....
The blinded fan of the GT series

"Furthermore if you feel standard cars aren't up to your standards: bad luck mate. They do look decent enough to me. "
Yeah, for a Ps2 game... and that blackish cockpits wonderful...

"And don't even get me started on the fantasy tracks that look like straight out of a comic book. " - that alone shows your true colours...

If you are going to argument, use clever arguments, not wasteful bashing....

In forza's career mode, you can choose also what events to play.... but carry on...

Car football, Bowling, etc...

Shows that you've really played the game... NOT!

 

[cuco33]

Actually its not rubbish. In career there are race events which require standard cars to be used.
You can't race them unless you have the standard car.

Fantasy tracks out of a comic book?? Which ones?

 

[GTForzafan]

cuco33 maybe he doesn't have the game...
The nonsense comments and rabbling ... it's another devoted fan of a company...
Nothing to argue about... it's obvious..

 

[Tornado]

Now from what I learned T10 has yet again accomplished to offer loads of gameplay content to people that can't actually be bothered to race.

You mean like B-Spec?

There's a challenge to overtake a number of cars in a given time?

You mean like every single regular Seasonal Event PD has made since the game started having them?

And don't even get me started on the fantasy tracks that look like straight out of a comic book.

You mean like Cape Ring?