FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Terronium-12]

Thanks to seasonals, XP and credits started to flow by the truckload. There is zero need to do any race one doesn't fancy besides some rare prize cars that can't be acquired otherwise.

And, yet, there's still the ridiculous 10 million cr. cap, XP still resets itself to 0 every time you've ascended a level, and credit payouts keep flip-flopping so much it comes across as if PD is confused.

Now from what I learned T10 has yet again accomplished to offer loads of gameplay content to people that can't actually be bothered to race. Is it true all city tracks got axed? That car football is part of the career? There's a challenge to overtake a number of cars in a given time?


That all sounds awfully familiar. Just like in the good old PGR days.

PGR has never axed city tracks, featured car soccer, nor could the AI effectively race for you as a teammate, and well, overtaking cars in a specified duration is exactly what racing is - provided you're not starting the race from pole and don't lose any positions. So, tell me, what exactly sounds familiar?

And don't even get me started on the fantasy tracks that look like straight out of a comic book.

Such as Kart Space I or II, for example?

So, yes, the brilliant part of GT5 might be hard to spot at times, but I rather take it the way it is and have the freedom of doing what I happen to fancy. Thank you very much.

Which would be what, exactly?

 

[McLaren]

I literally shook my head when you posted that....Seriously?

 

[MagpieRacer]

Rubbish.

Thanks to seasonals, XP and credits started to flow by the truckload. There is zero need to do any race one doesn't fancy besides some rare prize cars that can't be acquired otherwise.

So they had to add a whole new mode so people could actually get XP and Credits? You may be right with zero need to do any race once, however, boredom would probably push people into doing them anyway. T10 clearly looked at peoples complaint wit the XP, credits issues in GT5 and improved them in FM4, credits are easier to come by thanks to rivals challenges, many many more events in the event list and world tour, manufacturer affinity bonus' and of course credit bonus' in certain races. Likewise again with the XP. Not to mention 150 levels.

Furthermore if you feel standard cars aren't up to your standards: bad luck mate. They do look decent enough to me.

Standard cars aren't, I dare say, up to anyones standards, not in this day and age. They look "decent" yes maybe, but very poor in comparison to not only the rest of the game but other racing games as well.

Now from what I learned T10 has yet again accomplished to offer loads of gameplay content to people that can't actually be bothered to race. Is it true all city tracks got axed? That car football is part of the career? There's a challenge to overtake a number of cars in a given time?

Yeah its true, all 1 of the city tracks got axed, same one that got axed from GT5, New York. And to be honest I dont miss it, althoug it would look nice with the new lighting in FM4. Car football is not part of the career, it is a part of multiplayer, and a mighty fine part at that! Proper Top Gear stylee. I dont think it would work in career. As others have said, overtaking a number of cars in a given time is that discipline we refer to as racing. More specifically I am sure you are referring to trackdays. They pop up occasioanlly in World Tour and have their own section in Rivals, good fun and a nice twist to 1 on 1 racing and hot lapping.

That all sounds awfully familiar. Just like in the good old PGR days.

Sure there is inspiration taken from PGR, autocross is simalair to cone challenges and track days simalair to overtake challenges perhaps. Not suprising considering ex PGR employees work for T10 now. Pretty much taking 2 of the more fun PGR challenges and adding them to an already accomplished sim.

And don't even get me started on the fantasy tracks that look like straight out of a comic book.

Oh your going to take that path? Cape Ring? Space Kart? Deep Forest? Autumn Ring? So yes, lets get started on comic book fantasy tracks. Quite simply, both games have fantasy tracks in almost equal quantities, I do feel FM4 has more "realistic" fantasy tracks, Sunset Peninsula, Sedona, Ladera, Iberian. GT5 only really has Grand Valley and perhaps HSR in terms of fantasy tracks that are realistic. So yeah if you wanna get started on that go right ahead.

So, yes, the brilliant part of GT5 might be hard to spot at times, but I rather take it the way it is and have the freedom of doing what I happen to fancy. Thank you very much.

I dont want the brilliance to be hard to find, I want it to be handed to me and wafted under my nose for me to marvel at without having to go hunting. Forza 4 does that.

 

[Akira AC]

akiraacecombat ... i'm attacking him ? Where ?
By saying that it's HIM , when he assumes that himself.

I would believe that, but then...

When you said, that forza 4 had only short races, shows your lack of knowledge about the game....

Some of you, deal very bad with this FACT....

So yeah, attacking his capability of showcasing the game as he wants. Also:

That HE always choose the better side of GT5 and I'm only telling the truth, in GT5 the game sometimes makes You use standard material, so he can't always choose...

According to that logic, you are dismissing his choices by telling him what are his choices, interesting.

maybe you have issues?

Argue the point don't attack the person making it

Where you saying?

I literally shook my head when you posted that....Seriously?

Yeah seriously, I'm shock as well(very shocked in fact, I sense some irony as well). And actually it would be interesting to see which side is chosen.



Apart from that:

Furthermore if you feel standard cars aren't up to your standards: bad luck mate. They do look decent enough to me.

Even for today's standards standards are low polygon count, hell even GTA IV models actually have more polygon count, and that is GTA. Higher resolution textures and other elements might confuse some people, but at the end when people play TDU1/2, FM3/FM4, Shift1/2 the differences became substantial.

 

[GTForzafan]

Akiraacecombat... I could also quote things out of the context... to give false ideas, i could go and follow that route... but i Won't...
Now, i find it funny, when i'm stating facts and you seem more disturbed with my comments and arguments than the person i'm repying and discussing...
You want a medal ?
That last post, shows without any doubt that even when i'm not talking or replying to you, you want attention and bickering...
So, yes to me you have issues.... and you're the one pointing me the finger ?

When you refer, of showcasing the game as someone wants, isn't that pointless, because any game can be showcased with it's better side...
And Gt5 if you play the career, doesn't always let u choose..

 

[Scaff]

Last warning for everyone in this thread.

Either get it back on topic now and quit arguing about who said what about who, or end up facing some temp bans for ignoring the staff and wasting a big fat chunk of the sites bandwidth on rubbish.

Right now the signal to noise ratio in this thread is well out of balance, less noise now.


Scaff

 

[Bogie 19th]

I don't know why people are getting away with presenting false information though.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I don't know why people are getting away with presenting false information though.

Name one thread here that doesn't have a group doing that. It happens and it is something you have to deal with. I doubt the mods can bust and verify if what the users are saying are facts all the time every time.

 

[Spagetti69]

Just had a bit of a surreal moment on GT5.

Been playing a lot of Forza recently so with all the recent updates and Spa I thought I'd chance £3.19 to give it a whirl.

Well I must firstly say that in arcade mode GT AI trumps Forza.
The AI don't end up spread out as much and can be seen in packs. Much like touring cars championships on TV.

Still get the odd ram from the back though unfortunately. If running on full damage it can screw you up at le Sarth, slowing for chicanes.

I did at a later date find an option buried to alter the AI from 10 fiercest to 1 conservative. The default was 5 I think so playing about with that might address some issues.

Nice to be able to set weather and time. Although first lap on Le Sarthe they pitted. Even though the starting track water level was 0 (dry). Is there still a bug where rain tires are fitted to AI ?

Anyway I tried two cars. S200 and the mark iv (20 mill car I believe).

Now the surreal bit for me was that I had to drop the tire level to comfort medium/soft to get any sort of reaction from cars of this power.
Sports hard I couldn't get the cars to wheel spin through any gears.

Not what I remember from playing ages ago. Unless its always been that way.

Forzas cars have definately raised the bar for me. Much more lively with cars with some torque.
Better Forcefeedback too. Can't feel the edge of grip or weight transfer in GT.

Not saying that GT was terrible. It was the fact that I really had to dial down my tire selection otherwise it felt on rails.
I will say that when going into a tank slapper GT is harder to correct.
Not sure if that's a good thing or not. Like I said Forza gives wheel users a better feedback of what the tires are doing. When first playing Forza tank slappers had me out of control. Now after learning from my wheels feedback I have a lot more confidence when on the edge. You still can go off that cliff though in Forza lol.

Oh one other good point for G27 owners is that the buttons are fully mappable from the menu. Horns, wipers, beams, look left, right etc.

One slightly annoying feature was the fact you would have to pause to bring up the tire wear gauge. Pause again to rid the HUD.

Oh Spa is good too. Although it seems a bit jaggy. Is that an aliasing issue? I'm not tech minded. It's still Spa though.

OT

I like Forza planet but when ever I post I get mail all the time. Cancelling auto subscribe is hit or miss for me.

 

[azrael1965]

I really have to say that forza4 is keeping on to impress me. I drive a tuned Crossfire SRT6 in real life and the car in Forza 4 feels very much like the real car and even the cockpit view is very well done. Sure the sense of accleration can't be copied but the steering feels good. I might pick up a CSR Elite just for this game and sell the Thrustmaster T500RS. When is it going to be available? The normal CSR is inferior to the thrustmaster isn't it?

 

[FyreandIce]

IMO the normal CSR wins due to being compatible with all systems.

 

[PzR Slim]

IMO the normal CSR wins due to being compatible with all systems.

The CSR Elite is also compatible with all systems. It's the Clubsport Wheel, which has a similar base to the CSR Elite, that is only compatible with PC and PS3.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I find the csr to be better than the thrustmaster.

 

[azrael1965]

IMO the normal CSR wins due to being compatible with all systems.

But the CSR Elite should be compatible to all systems as well and it won't make sense to buy a CSR first and then to replace it with a Elite. And a normal CSR sounds like a downgrade from the fantastic T500 RS to me. I don't even consider this option. The T500 RS force feedback strength is just amazing. I would only replace it, if there were reviews that state that the CSR Elite is superior or at least on par. But well FM4 is good enough to justify a high end wheel. (just as GT5 is)

 

[UKMikey]

OT

I like Forza planet but when ever I post I get mail all the time. Cancelling auto subscribe is hit or miss for me.

http://www.forzaplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6592#post6592 worked for me.

 

[cuco33]

I would put the csr above the t500rs. The t500rs does not work on the x360 and ffb from my understanding works only on 3 games, gt5, dirt3 and f1 2011. I wouldn't even consider the thrustmaster t500rs wheel as an option.

 

[GTForzafan]

my only problem with forza is Microsofts Policy with their signature hardware policy.. i Have a Logitech Wheel for Gt5... but Forza's 4 is only a Basic Microsoft Wheel...
I Saw on Inside Sim racing that now Forza's 4 is compatible with a wider range of wheels besides the expensive fanatec...
Can anyone recommend a nice set of wheels ?

Can I also add, first DLC opinions about the aventador.. and the new focus ?

 

[azrael1965]

I would put the csr above the t500rs. The t500rs does not work on the x360 and ffb from my understanding works only on 3 games, gt5, dirt3 and f1 2011. I wouldn't even consider the thrustmaster t500rs wheel as an option.

Well if money was a issue i might not have the T500rs. Fortunatly it isn't. I might keep the T500RS and get a CSR Elite for all i care. So there is absolutly no need for a normal CSR and i have tried it, aside from compatibility issues(for which i don't care) it's inferior to the T500RS from my point of view. But this is no Wheel Discussion Threat. I just want the best wheels available for my games. (outside of the real exotic options) I must be stupid to get a CSR when i know that the Elite is arriving soon. The Elite looks great and I am expecting it to surpass the T500RS. I hope it's going to give the best FM4 experience possible. To say the truth it doesn't feel so bad even with the X-Box wireless wheel.

 

[Daverytimes]

I would put the csr above the t500rs. The t500rs does not work on the x360 and ffb from my understanding works only on 3 games, gt5, dirt3 and f1 2011. I wouldn't even consider the thrustmaster t500rs wheel as an option.

Yep, Unless you play exclusive PS3, PC.

 

[cuco33]

Yep, Unless you play exclusive PS3, PC.

If I'm paying $500+ for a wheel, that wheel better fully work on all racing games I own on the platforms I'll use it on. So far from what I've read the T500RS works fully on 3 games on PS3. FFB is pretty important to me, otherwise I'd own one of these MadCatz nonFFB wheels for my X360. No FFB on a wheel that expensive on older games = fail. Good thing that PC driver was eventually launched because at one point I really didn't think much of the T500RS, no matter how good it was with GT5.

GT2/CSR>T500RS, just personal opinion and that's without even using one.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It's amazing that not even a page later, people see fit to ignore Scaff's request to stop with the he-said-this/he-said-that bickering. Comments deleted.

If you have nothing to add to the actual discussion at hand, don't post. Feel like adding to the noise, and you'll be taking a holiday.

 

[Starfirebird]

I really have to say that forza4 is keeping on to impress me. I drive a tuned Crossfire SRT6 in real life and the car in Forza 4 feels very much like the real car and even the cockpit view is very well done. Sure the sense of accleration can't be copied but the steering feels good. I might pick up a CSR Elite just for this game and sell the Thrustmaster T500RS. When is it going to be available? The normal CSR is inferior to the thrustmaster isn't it?

I'm not sure if the CSR is inferior,but i do know it is multi-platform.

Me on the other hand is going to keep my Logitech Wheel.I'm going to give the New Mid-Range Madcatz Wheel a try for my 360.Madcatz have come out with some quality products here lately so this new wheel shouldn't be too shabby.Now i just got to wait for BestBuy to get one.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I have used the TM as well as both CSRs and the TM is inferior. The build quality and ffb is better on the CSRs and the TM has limited compatibility. I would not recommend the TM if you enjoy sim racing on all 3 platforms.

 

[Daverytimes]

I have used the TM as well as both CSRs and the TM is inferior. The build quality and ffb is better on the CSRs and the TM has limited compatibility. I would not recommend the TM if you enjoy sim racing on all 3 platforms.

What game did you play both wheels with, from my understanding the ffb in the T500rs is arm breaking. Like someone said, T500rs is not supported by a majority of racers on the PS3 and doesn't even work with the 360 but when it comes to PC it's capabilities shine. Like i said before if you game exclusive PS3 and PC (and you have the money) the t500rs is the way to go, if you game on all 3 platforms then you get the CSR's.

 

[azrael1965]

What game did you play both wheels with, from my understanding the ffb in the T500rs is arm breaking.

The force feedback from the T500RS is incredible. I never regreted the buy and in my eyes it's really improves the GT5 experience and i also use it on F1 2011. (Would have bought the X-Box Version, if i had a decent wheel for it)
But if Bogie is right and the CSR Elite is better , i am already looking forward to it.

 

[TiZzla]

1:25...

Standard cars and GT5 still looks better.

So the verdict is Forza wins because it has a livery editor and the reasonably priced car top gear event??

What a joke.

 

[Terronium-12]

You're quite desperate for a senseless, completely irrational debacle, aren't you?

 

[PzR Slim]

1:25...

Standard cars and GT5 still looks better.

So the verdict is Forza wins because it has a livery editor and the reasonably priced car top gear event??

What a joke.

I see your other post got deleted. We are supposed to be discussing why we think one game is better than the other, not banging on about how we feel other peoples opinions are wrong or a joke

 

[FyreandIce]

1:25...

Standard cars and GT5 still looks better.

So the verdict is Forza wins because it has a livery editor and the reasonably priced car top gear event??

What a joke.

Yea, I'm done.

You're not worth arguing with.

FYI not a single standard can touch any of the FM4 models. They can't even touch FM1 models.

It's not even worth comparing them.

 

[Imari]

1:25...

Standard cars and GT5 still looks better.

So the verdict is Forza wins because it has a livery editor and the reasonably priced car top gear event??

What a joke.

No, the verdict is that GT5 has night racing, weather, and customizable driver avatars. Forza 4 has liveries, better online options, better Top Gear integration, better sound, and better car selection.

For most of us, Forza 4's cars are superior to the standard models, but since you obviously disagree I see no point in throwing that one in.

Even so, can you see how Forza 4 might be a lot more appealing to people?