FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

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OK lets compare GT5 and Forza 4:

GT5 Pros:-1000 cars
-Weather change

GT5 contras:
-Shadows
-unrealistic sounds
-Bad AI
-2D enviroments
-800 standard cars with low quality
-Tunning
-damage
-crash physics
-a lot of japanse cars

Forza pros:-All cars are highly detailed
-Realistic and amazing sounds
-3D enviroments
-Intelligent AI
-Good damage modelling
-Tunning
-Autovista mode
-Physics

Forza contras:
-No porche
 
OK lets compare GT5 and Forza 4:

GT5 Pros:-1000 cars
-Weather change

GT5 contras:
-Shadows
-unrealistic sounds
-Bad AI
-2D enviroments
-800 standard cars with low quality
-Tunning
-damage
-crash physics
-a lot of japanse cars

Forza pros:-All cars are highly detailed
-Realistic and amazing sounds
-3D enviroments
-Intelligent AI
-Good damage modelling
-Tunning
-Autovista mode
-Physics

Forza contras:
-No porche

The boldfaced bit: seriously, intelligent?

Forza's AI, the same AI that will not yield when you're attempting to overtake, as all they "see" is the driving line?

Intelligent? The same AI that brake checks you at every possible opportunity, brakes where it absolutely isn't necessary which in turn holds you up if you're pressed for overtaking. As much as I've criticized GT5, it sure as hell has more than two pro qualities.
 
ForzaFanboy360
***Not very interesting***

Added to the ignore list.


Is no surprise after seeing his posting record, not sure if he is going to last long but there is not even worth in mentioning some of the areas which are dismissed in that comparison.
 
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OK lets compare GT5 and Forza 4:

GT5 Pros:-1000 cars
-Weather change

GT5 contras:
-Shadows
-unrealistic sounds
-Bad AI
-2D enviroments
-800 standard cars with low quality
-Tunning
-damage
-crash physics
-a lot of japanse cars

Forza pros:-All cars are highly detailed
-Realistic and amazing sounds
-3D enviroments
-Intelligent AI
-Good damage modelling
-Tunning
-Autovista mode
-Physics

Forza contras:
-No porche

Yeah I have to agree with others I like FM4 better than GT5, but I would say that the AI system is just as stupid at times as GT5. GT5 has AIs that will pull over and get out of the car and wave to you so you can pass them. Forza is the opposite on this stupid scale and has drivers that will just flat out run into you or over you, just so the AI can stay on the race line. Both aren't very realistic for simulators.

There are a few other things I'd add like Region bias in GT5 and not so in FM4 for example.

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I see you actually did put region bias in.
 
Here, I'll revise your list for you. :D

OK lets compare GT5 and Forza 4:

GT5 Pros:-1000 cars 1060 cars and counting
-Weather change and day/night cycle
-a lot of japanese cars that you dont need to drive(more than any other game), and a lot of other cars too (hundreds of them)
-Tuning (one of the main points of the GT series)
-Remotely correct Nurburgring track
-after-launch support

GT5 contras:
-Shadows (yes, but GT5 has better lighting)
-unrealistic sounds They are realistic. Not every car in real life sounds "Amazing".
-Bad AI (no argument needed)
-2D enviroments The entire game is 3D compatible. :dunce:
-800 standard cars with low standard quality
-Tunning (moved to pros)
-damage (technically yes, but only critiques notice(cause only critiques crash))
-crash physics (see above)
-a lot of japanse cars (moved to pros)

Forza pros:-All cars are highly detailed
-Realistic and amazing (<Hollywood) sounds
-(limited) 3D enviroments (without actual 3D compatability)
-Intelligent AI Demolition Derby-style AI
-Good damage modelling (for the demolition derby-style AI)
-Tunning (same quality as GT5 tuning)
-Autovista mode (see limited 3D above)
-Physics (if you prefer the illusion of reality)

Forza contras:
-No porsche
-Outdated in 2 years
-GT5 exists:sly:
All good now. 👍
 
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Your "fix" is even worse than the original comparison. Seriously, justifying GT5s bad collision physics by saying they are a moot issue because only critics crash? Claiming that 3D capability somehow means something in regards to the largely-2D level environments GT5 has?



I know ForzaFanboy360 was a troll, but fighting him with his tactics doesn't make things better.
 
Not to mention the tuning in Forza can in no way be compared to the tuning in GT-anything. As for the assessment of Forza's physics, just what does he think GT does?

Oh, wait, I've forgotten already: Gran Turismo is the "Real Driving Simulator". Pardon my inane ignorance.
 
Here, I'll revise your list for you. :D

Facepalm.

Anyway, yesterday I took the time to take another little look at some Forza videos, I've already watched all the Autovistas and think it's a rather neat idea. Want more cars for it though...also I think the idea of Level Rewards is pretty neat as well. All GT does is give you more events to do from it, Forza bothers to give you cars. Some of them look a little lacking but most would make for pretty hard choices for me!

Also had a look at the full car list and GT5 has been done in for well and truly. So much more interesting stuff that GT is missing - RS2 Avant, MEGANE RS 250, tons of modern LMPs, FIA GTs, tons of other classics. All GT5 has as a claim to fame is a ton of barely different Skylines and making three versions of EVERY SINGLE MX-5/Miata/Roadster. That is the worst decision I have ever seen, just a bid to get themselves to 1000 cars there...or to add more "variety".

The problem with Forza is...I can't play it. Therefore I can't comment on the gameplay for myself so I won't know how the main aspect does perform. Damage is a lot better, as are rollover physics, Top Gear is implemented better obviously. But I can't play it for myself because I don't have a 360. Regardless Forza still looks nice, if I did have a 360 I might as well end up getting it actually.
 
Haven't had any issue with Forza's AI. If you are in fact in a position to overtake and not just trying to be a hero, they give you plenty of space mid-corner. Treat them the same as you'd treat a real person on a race track and you'll find it works for everybody.
 
Haven't had any issue with Forza's AI. If you are in fact in a position to overtake and not just trying to be a hero, they give you plenty of space mid-corner. Treat them the same as you'd treat a real person on a race track and you'll find it works for everybody.

M. Rossi.

Your statement is invalid. :P
 
Oh, not this argument again. Why can't both Forza and GT5 live in perfect harmony with one another? Showing intrest in either one means you love cars and or racing. Rather than waste our time uselessly arguing over which game is better, we should take both of them for what they are with their pros and cons and have a better discussion about cars n' stuff.
 
Again, give him space, he gives you space.

On what planet?

We're now talking about an aggressive AI driver that will perform every possible penalty-worthy manuever in the book without hesitation. About the only thing Rossi doesn't do is actively defend his position down the straights, or any place else for that matter.
 
trombone since the other user was already banned, I reported you...
I think trolling another troll, and while doing that posting nonsense ******** only to support your bias, as you've already shown your preference, achieves nothing...
The fact is that you couldn't ignore the troll, even if was right on some aspects, takes a troll to fight a troll ?
I don't agree with that attitude...

If you're trying to do anything else, than show your bias that is...
You couldn't say things like praising GT's Tuning and customization....
When standards have limitations, when you have the brake's issue...

Praising GT sounds ? You think they are realistic ? /facepalm...
Vaccum cleaner realistic...


I would recommend that you would go to Neogaf forum vs thread between the 2 games, in there you would feel at home, there are nice gifs and photomode pics and everyone ( almost) has a blind love for GT5...
And a lot of them, do lists with topics and everything, to praise the game, like it's GOD's Work...
And more incredibly, it doesn't even matter if it's truth or not...
 
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Could you please, for the love of God, stop using ellipses as if they're full stops? It's annoying.
 
trombone since the other user was already banned, I reported you...
I think trolling another troll, and while doing that posting nonsense ******** only to support your bias, as you've already shown your preference, achieves nothing...
The fact is that you couldn't ignore the troll, even if was right on some aspects, takes a troll to fight a troll ?
I don't agree with that attitude...

If you're trying to do anything else, than show your bias that is...
You couldn't say things like praising GT's Tuning and customization....
When standards have limitations, when you have the brake's issue...

Praising GT sounds ? You think they are realistic ? /facepalm...
Vaccum cleaner realistic...


I would recommend that you would go to Neogaf forum vs thread between the 2 games, in there you would feel at home, there are nice gifs and photomode pics and everyone ( almost) has a blind love for GT5...
And a lot of them, do lists with topics and everything, to praise the game, like it's GOD's Work...
And more incredibly, it doesn't even matter if it's truth or not...

Well in GT5 the subaru 360 doesnt sounds like a V8...
 
Oh, not this argument again. Why can't both Forza and GT5 live in perfect harmony with one another? Showing intrest in either one means you love cars and or racing. Rather than waste our time uselessly arguing over which game is better, we should take both of them for what they are with their pros and cons and have a better discussion about cars n' stuff.

For most of the posters in this thread that have made unbiased posts about either game , they do live in harmony , Like i've said before true petrol heads own both and enjoy playing both as well as MANY others
 
Victorex congratulations! I didn't said that Forza's sound are perfect all the time!
But the sound of the engines in Forza's series, was always better than the GT ones!
This is a fact, compare real sound to the forza's and gt ones, there's no denying the obvious!
 
trombone since the other user was already banned, I reported you...
I think trolling another troll, and while doing that posting nonsense ******** only to support your bias, as you've already shown your preference, achieves nothing...
The fact is that you couldn't ignore the troll, even if was right on some aspects, takes a troll to fight a troll ?
I don't agree with that attitude...

He was banned after just 4 posts? Sorry if you found my parody trollish(?). I didn't realize that some people take this argument soooo seriously. I was just pointing fun at the games since everyone knows that this argument will never end.

Besides, when the last thing I said, "GT5 exists", was a Forza con, you really took it for fact? It was a parody.
 
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Oh, not this argument again. Why can't both Forza and GT5 live in perfect harmony with one another? Showing intrest in either one means you love cars and or racing. Rather than waste our time uselessly arguing over which game is better, we should take both of them for what they are with their pros and cons and have a better discussion about cars n' stuff.

Because mis-information is being posted based on personal opinion, preference, and hearsay. Many opinions are not based on a level playing field - game x is played with a wheel while game y is played with a controller. Or the wheels are of not similar quality. In addition, many are compelled to shoot down the competition because if they don't or can't have it, knocking it down makes their choice seem better.
I don't mind comparisons when the details of what makes up the comparison (what type of input device was used, depth of experience, etc.) is provided or an opinion when preferences are revealed (prefer certain tracks, cars, racing type, features preferred, etc.). Apples to Apples!
 
Besides, when the last thing I said, "GT5 exists", was a Forza con, you really took it for fact? It was a parody.
Have you been in the GT5 forum? Because I could rattle off several members who frequent it who would use (and have) such a statement in a completely sincere way.
 
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Besides, when the last thing I said, "GT5 exists", was a Forza con, you really took it for fact? It was a parody.

The real parody began, when you've said that most of the times, GT5 presents stunning graphics! From there on, it was hard to take anything seriously posted by you...
 
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The real parody began, when you've said that most of the times, GT5 presents stunning graphics! From there on, it was hard to take anything seriously posted by you...

So basically, this isn't a discussion thread at all. It's an "agree that both games are equal or else" thread? Nice. Heaven forbide I share an opinion with you Big Brother. I think I'm done with this thread. Being heckled isn't my favorite pastime; playing GT (and my trombone:sly:) is.

Have fun bullying other people who have a sense of humor. Goodbye.
 
I think that you are confused, discussions bring arguments, not made up facts and illusions. Saying lies, isn't going to get you anywhere....Your opinion is very tainted, with bias of preference!
Goodbye, indeed.

This thread it's to discuss both pros and cons of the two games, without using false arguments. It's true that both games are very good, but they aren't perfect .What do you expect to hear, when your own opinion is based on lies ? No matter you spin it, saying that GT5 presents you most of the times with stunning graphics, it's not a fact, not even an opinion, because it not even close to the truth.
Throwing sand to the people's eyes, isn't going to achieve nothing! The main problem with GT5, it's is inconsistency... ( that is a recognized problem and you say, that most of the times GT5 has stunning graphics, something is fishy here). Sometimes it presents you stunning graphics,sometimes it shows it's ugly side and this is a fact, everyone with the game knows that these jumps occur many times, so narrowing the ugly side of GT5 to only a few times, it's lying and i don't discuss with people with such bias... You may want to believe that GT5, most of the times delivers stunning graphics, but that isn't the truth! I don't know if you noticed, but this thread is to discuss the two games. The thread to glorify and praise GT5 isn't this one !

Hal20XX better ? I didn't noticed that was writing that way! Sorry!
 
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GTForzafan, please learn basic paragraph structure. You don't have to put every sentence on a new line. I'll be honest, I simply cannot read your posts and have no idea if they're insightful or not. You're not going to get your point across if people can't read your posts.\

Edit: Yes, much better! Wasn't trying to be a jerk!
 
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As part of German TV show “Turbo”, race car driver Tim Schrick got to try BMW’s new M5 F10 on the Nürburgring Grand Prix Ciruit and in Forza Motorsport 4.

Schrick, who’s a long-time competitor in the Nürburgring 24 Hour race, first gives the real BMW a try and compares his experience with Forza Motorsport 4 later, using a Fanatec Rennsport Underfloor Cockpit equipped with a Forza Motorsport CSR wheel.

You can check out Tim’s experience below, unfortunately the whole video is narrated in German with no subtitles provided.

Schrick claims to not have substantial experience with driving games and struggles to meet the real lap time in Forza Motorsport 4, mainly due to the missing g-forces and the unfamiliar feedback from the FFB wheel. He compliments the title on the fact that the gear ratios and speeds on the straights match the real experience though.

Perhaps most interestingly, Tim points out that the virtual BMW has less traction and grip than the real car, adding to the list of race drivers that have voiced that many racing games offer too little grip to make the driving more challenging.
source: http://www.virtualr.net/tim-schrick-tries-forza-motorsport-4
Interesting point of view.
 
GTForzafan, please learn basic paragraph structure. You don't have to put every sentence on a new line. I'll be honest, I simply cannot read your posts and have no idea if they're insightful or not. You're not going to get your point across if people can't read your posts.\

Edit: Yes, much better! Wasn't trying to be a jerk!

^ This. It's like trying to understand a ancient Chinese Proverb.
 
Late to this pary but finally got around to getting an Xbox and Forza (4). Wow and kinda shocked.

For me, if Forza had GT's physics, GFX(thats nit picking really), weather and certain tracks it would be perfect. It trumps GT5 in most other departments imo. A.I., fun, sound and car selection are awesome.👍
 
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