FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Spagetti69]

@Yokomaru.

Where did you play Forza 4 mate?

 

[t.o.]

If you see what happened in GT Academy how well guys there performing. than you should know it's because of that 1 game which has the real physics and the best Driving Simulator.

I wonder what would happen if FM4 would make an own academy would it pass or would it fail?? in mine opinion FM4 is a good game no doubt about it like GT5. but i think FM4 is more like a Need for Speed game or something not a 100 % ''real driving simulator'' i have played it alot but it looks like more a normal Arcade game than a Real Driving Simulator. Which i think those guys at the Academy wouldn't feel the same on the real track. and using a kinect doesn't make it a real driving simulator but more an Arcade game.


GT5 - GT Academy ( Proved that they feel the same on the track i asked Lucas Ordonez on Facebook je Facebook because he will watch your comments and maybe answer them if you have luck and he said it feels the same GT5 and Real the only difference is that you are outdoors and at home Indoors with your stuff ). GT got also contracts with other companies which makes the game more intresting. if Kaz comes with new Cars and some new updates like new tracks than people will forget maybe the game FM4 D.


FM4 - No Academy - Good Game , But it is in mine opinion just a Arcade game with some Couple of 100 and more cars. I like the game the tyres are great but it's not a game where you think this is it ! i found a Driving Simulator Game !.

I don't even know where to begin with this one. I'll just leave it like this, if you think GT5 is going to make you a pro race driver then good luck.

Also, go play a PC sim, if you want a true driving simulator (as far as games go, obviously).

NO don't listen to Luminis, sure GT5 will make you a race pro driver. When you feel ready I want you to go outside, get in your REAL car and give us some video of you whipping your car around some highways at breakneck speed using the GT5 skills you developed.

 

[SuperShouden]

From WAY back when GTHD was first announced:

- Ferrari, a long-time holdout of the GT series will be drivable in GT HD. Yamauchi relayed the story of the head of Ferrari engineering calling the office just a few days ago to compliment the team on the modeling they did on some of their new Ferrari makes, a compliment the PD crew takes as a serious honor.

I guess I was wrong.


Not entirely sure that BMW does it's testing in GT5 anymore, but before GT4 was released there were several manufacturer spacific discs handed out including those for Toyota, VW, Nissan and BMW. GT has also debuted several cars BEFORE they were officially released. (BMW M5, Mazda RX-8, VW Golf VI, 2006 Eclipse, Mitsubishi i/i-MiEV, FT-86, Nissan GT-R [the prototype appeared in GT4], and the list goes on)

 

[Yokumaru]

I don't even know where to begin with this one. I'll just leave it like this, if you think GT5 is going to make you a pro race driver then good luck. NO don't listen to Luminis, sure GT5 will make you a race pro driver. When you feel ready I want you to go outside, get in your REAL car and give us some video of you whipping your car around some highways at breakneck speed using the GT5 skills you developed.

Well , Why Shouldn't i ?? Give me a Ferrari F1 and i'll perform it. i did pay for a day Driving a Replica ( after i played GT5 ) and it worked.

I am sure you got a Xbox 360 and a FM4 fan or else you would answer something else. this can't be proved which game is better because we all have our own feelings for a game. this could only be decided by Racing Experts ( Neutral ).

 

[t.o.]

Well , Why Shouldn't i ?? Give me a Ferrari F1 and i'll perform it. i did pay for a day Driving a Replica ( after i played GT5 ) and it worked.

1: I am sure you got a Xbox 360 and a FM4 fan or else you would answer something else.2: this can't be proved which game is better because we all have our own feelings for a game. this could only be decided by Racing Experts ( Neutral ).

1: No, I still live in July 2011
2: The FIRST thing you've typed that makes any sense. Totally agree

 

[Luminis]

I guess I was wrong.

You were and still are.

Not entirely sure that BMW does it's testing in GT5 anymore, but before GT4 was released there were several manufacturer spacific discs handed out including those for Toyota, VW, Nissan and BMW. GT has also debuted several cars BEFORE they were officially released. (BMW M5, Mazda RX-8, VW Golf VI, 2006 Eclipse, Mitsubishi i/i-MiEV, FT-86, Nissan GT-R [the prototype appeared in GT4], and the list goes on)

PD puts concept cars onto their games on a regular basis, based on the specs the manufacturer claims. That's it.

What you are thinking of when you were boasting about that "testing" thing was a watered down version of GT4 that had a BMW or two people couldd play there, which has nothing to do with testing, at 🤬 all.

So, please, start doublechecking your 'facts', as ýour memory seems to be pretty influenced by your GT bias.

Also, is it becoming a regular habit for GT guys to behave like this? Claiming they've played Forza 4 or that manufacturer use GT5 to test their cars?! I mean, seriously! Both made me lol IRL when jusst reading them! I guess if PD made a better game in the first place, their devotees wouldn't have to pull random 'facts' out of their asses...

Well , Why Shouldn't i ?? Give me a Ferrari F1 and i'll perform it. i did pay for a day Driving a Replica ( after i played GT5 ) and it worked.

Okay, just give us a heads up if you're beating Sebastian Vettel, then



Anyways, as they say:
Pics or it didn't happen.

I am sure you got a Xbox 360

What, don't you? After all, you claimed to have played FM4 already.

God, this is getting stupid, really.

 

[cuco33]

I could have sworn that I saw many of the cars SuperShouden listed unveiled prior to a GT game unveiling them. Not all but many of them.

I also never heard that BMW did any testing with a GT game, a Forza game, or any console game at all. Ever.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I don't even know where to begin with this one. I'll just leave it like this, if you think GT5 is going to make you a pro race driver then good luck.


NO don't listen to Luminis, sure GT5 will make you a race pro driver. When you feel ready I want you to go outside, get in your REAL car and give us some video of you whipping your car around some highways at breakneck speed using the GT5 skills you developed.

Look at the latest GTPlanet news:
https://www.gtplanet.net/another-class-victory-for-gt-academy-winner-jann-mardenborough/

He has been working his way through the licenses like you do in GT5 which I find funny that his career starting path is similar to the game. One day I would like to achieve what he has by winning the GT Academy and hopefully one day I can become a professional racing driver. It is a possibility for me still as long as they make another one and I get a bit more better overall at the game.

 

[SuperShouden]

You were and still are.



PD puts concept cars onto their games on a regular basis, based on the specs the manufacturer claims. That's it.

What you are thinking of when you were boasting about that "testing" thing was a watered down version of GT4 that had a BMW or two people couldd play there, which has nothing to do with testing, at 🤬 all.

So, please, start doublechecking your 'facts', as ýour memory seems to be pretty influenced by your GT bias.

Also, is it becoming a regular habit for GT guys to behave like this? Claiming they've played Forza 4 or that manufacturer use GT5 to test their cars?! I mean, seriously! Both made me lol IRL when jusst reading them! I guess if PD made a better game in the first place, their devotees wouldn't have to pull random 'facts' out of their asses...


Okay, just give us a heads up if you're beating Sebastian Vettel, then



Anyways, as they say:
Pics or it didn't happen.


What, don't you? After all, you claimed to have played FM4 already.

God, this is getting stupid, really.

Luminis, you need to calm down and take a break from this thread for a day or two. You're getting FAR to worked up over a game. You don't want to get yourself in trouble.

 

[zr1chris]

Any car company that would use GT5 to test their cars instead of actually testing the car physically or testing it on a million dollar full motion simulator is hopeless. I would lose all respect for that company. BTW, This is coming from a big fan of the GT5 physics.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Any car company that would use GT5 to test their cars instead of actually testing the car physically or testing it on a million dollar full motion simulator, I would lose all respect for. BTW, This is coming from a big fan of the GT5 physics.

I remember an interview that Kaz said something along the lines of some car manufacturers using the game to try out different concept cars to see how they drive before thinking about making maybe prototypes. Something along them lines. If I find that video, I will post it here.

 

[t.o.]

Luminis, you need to calm down and take a break from this thread for a day or two. You're getting FAR to worked up over a game. You don't want to get yourself in trouble.

It's the repeated idiocy that he's reading in here that's killing him, and me. I know how he feels, sometimes it feels like you're talking to a 7 year old in here.

Look at the latest GTPlanet news:
https://www.gtplanet.net/another-class-victory-for-gt-academy-winner-jann-mardenborough/

He has been working his way through the licenses like you do in GT5 which I find funny that his career starting path is similar to the game. One day I would like to achieve what he has by winning the GT Academy and hopefully one day I can become a professional racing driver. It is a possibility for me still as long as they make another one and I get a bit more better overall at the game.

Dude, trust me, you're ready now. Go on ahead and go outside and jump in your car and hit the highways at speed and show us some video. Use them GT5 skills like a bandit. MEANWHILE, since I'm too old to start that career I can always dream and maybe try to pursue it but I'll do it the RIGHT way. Go do some REAL karting. Start off small and get REAL seat time under me and hope I can move up the ranks if I have what it takes. All the while using GT5 and FM for what they are, entertainment and MAYBE a good way to get familiar with a track I never raced before. And by familiar I mean get to know where the turns are and a VERY ROUGH idea oh how those turns play out.

 

[cuco33]

I'd like to see these videos/articles/sources to be honest. First I ever heard of any of this. If it comes out of Kaz's mouth, don't take it as truth. If it comes out of a top executive for BMW, Ferrari, Nissan, etc then I'd say there's some validity to it.

Remember folks, Kaz has stated many things that were not true over the years. Great person to be head of PD but he's promoting his game and makes standard things other games have already done sound like some new god's gift to man.

 

[zr1chris]

It's the repeated idiocy that he's reading in here that's killing him, and me. I know how he feels, sometimes it feels like you're talking to a 7 year old in here.


Dude, trust me, you're ready now. Go on ahead and go outside and jump in your car and hit the highways at speed and show us some video. Use them GT5 skills like a bandit. MEANWHILE, since I'm too old to start that career I can always dream and maybe try to pursue it but I'll do it the RIGHT way. Go do some REAL karting. Start off small and get REAL seat time under me and hope I can move up the ranks if I have what it takes. All the while using GT5 and FM for what they are, entertainment and MAYBE a good way to get familiar with a track I never raced before. And by familiar I mean get to know where the turns are and a VERY ROUGH idea oh how those turns play out.

It seems to me that you have a better chance at success in real life racing by winning the GT Academy and not by winning a go-kart race. Im not sure how many winners we have had of the GT Academy (maybe 3-4) and 2 of them are winning real races in real cars(the US winner hasn't been racing long enough yet either)

 

[ItsHim]

BMW used a GT4 custom Demo to showcase the new 1 series in 2004. So the customer could 'test' the car, not BMW. I must say it irritates me a lot some people get so emotional by such a little mix-up.

 

[zr1chris]

BMW used a GT4 custom Demo to showcase the new 1 series in 2004. So the customer could 'test' the car, not BMW. I must say it irritates me a lot some people get so emotional by such a little mix-up.

How can people say such "off the wall" stuff without some kind of proof.

 

[Scaff]

Things need to calm down in here and right now, and that means on both sides of the fence.

The alternative is that those who don't take any notice will be getting a two day time out from GT Planet.

The 'facts' regarding GT and its relationship are that a number of manufacturers have worked with PD to produce 'teaser' discs for new launch products (I have the BMW 1-series one) and VW did use a disc that PD produced as part of the driver induction pack for the VW Lupo GTI race series in Japan.

The Citroen GT was also a prototype running on a GT5 test bed only at the start of its life. The physical concept car was built after the reception the car got at its virtual launch and its was launched as a physical concept at the Paris motorshow.


Now can we get things calmed down a little, unless any one would like to make the very dire mistake of claiming I'm making things up?


Scaff

 

[Scaff]

Something strange just happened which made me have to post again.

The something strange was me deleting the posts that have continued the very argument and discussion I asked quite clearly be stopped.

I will be blunt, the posting guidelines for this thread are quite clear on the first post. If they continue to be ignored then those who are either unable to understand them or have chosen to ignore them will be given a holiday from GT Planet.

No further warning on this will be given, because to be blunt cleaning up this nonsense is taking more time than its worth and the next simplest step is to remove those causing it.

Get the thread back on topic, keep the discussion civil and polite and back your claims up; and the personal digs and attacks will stop now.


Scaff

 

[Saidur_Ali]

The something strange was me deleting the posts that have continued the very argument and discussion I asked quite clearly be stopped.

I will be blunt, the posting guidelines for this thread are quite clear on the first post. If they continue to be ignored then those who are either unable to understand them or have chosen to ignore them will be given a holiday from GT Planet.

No further warning on this will be given, because to be blunt cleaning up this nonsense is taking more time than its worth and the next simplest step is to remove those causing it.

Get the thread back on topic, keep the discussion civil and polite and back your claims up; and the personal digs and attacks will stop now.


Scaff

So are we not allowed to discuss about GT Academy then? I found it strange as I just posted a message and it got deleted straight away. I also now noticed all the new posts are again deleted. Is it due to discussion about GT academy and its strengths? If so I will stop on this topic area if you say it is not allowed.

 

[t.o.]

Scaff is really putting the shears to this thread, lol. My bad if any of my posts went out of bounds. I tried, and thought , I was in the lines but if not my apologies.

 

[Spagetti69]

Sorry Scaff. I was reminiscing about Rally X and Aryton Senna.

Totally off topic.

 

[t.o.]

Sorry Scaff. I was reminiscing about Rally X and Aryton Senna.

Totally off topic.

A little off topic here and there is not a evil sin but as far as getting off track we took it to this level...

 

[Scaff]

So are we not allowed to discuss about GT Academy then? I found it strange as I just posted a message and it got deleted straight away. I also now noticed all the new posts are again deleted. Is it due to discussion about GT academy and its strengths? If so I will stop on this topic area if you say it is not allowed.

Its a continuation of a topic that results in an off-topic argument and some personal digs being taken at various members, both of which are AUP violations.

Now while some the the posts also contained some valid points it would have taken hours (and a temp thread lock) to clean it up. As I don't have the time to do that and had already asked for the AUP issues to stop then I really had little other option than a mass cull of posts.

I'm more than happy for a discussion regarding the merits and limits of the GT Academy and how it relates to GT vs FM to continue, as long as it does so within the AUP.

If its steps outside the AUP again, the member responsible will be find themselves unable to waste any more of my time for a good 48 hours.


Scaff

 

[The_Paladin]

I find it funny that T10 had to model the multi-function display for the GTR that PD designed. I wonder if T10 will venture and do some work for real world cars or will they just stick to virtual world.

I like the fact that PD work with companies like Red Bull, Nissan, Mercedes, Citroen, Toyota and the others for different tasks such as concept cars to competitions. My favourites are GT Academy, Signature Edition SLS Competition and the X2010 Vettel Challenge. The first two allow you to the chance to do real world stuff while the final one allows you to beat the current F1 World Champion. You also have the Sebastian Loeb challenge which is fun to go up against the 7 time consecutive WRC champion. These are all things that interest me and go beyond just being a game for me. GT brand is very well known too and it is awesome to hear GT being talked about recently in an F1 practice session on BBC.

I wonder if T10 will get Microsoft to help them do such a thing.

I prefer Turn10 keep making great games instead of doing other things that looks good in billboard but means nothing when you play the game.
The more time Polyphony has put in those things as come as cost of quality and focus of the game, these past 6 years the quality of GT franchise keep going down and its creator seems to be more worried about real racing that making a game.

So i really prefer Turn10 focus, if they get involved in something is more to make the game better than filling blogs.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Its a continuation of a topic that results in an off-topic argument and some personal digs being taken at various members, both of which are AUP violations.

Now while some the the posts also contained some valid points it would have taken hours (and a temp thread lock) to clean it up. As I don't have the time to do that and had already asked for the AUP issues to stop then I really had little other option than a mass cull of posts.

I'm more than happy for a discussion regarding the merits and limits of the GT Academy and how it relates to GT vs FM to continue, as long as it does so within the AUP.

If its steps outside the AUP again, the member responsible will be find themselves unable to waste any more of my time for a good 48 hours.


Scaff

I think all the new posts got deleted but going through them, I don't think any breaks the AUP or the first post guidelines. I still have a tab open just before the posts got deleted. Here is a link to them: REMOVED Is it possible for you to let me know which go outside the AUP? It will be hard to discuss the topic further now a big chunk of it is missing on this forum but if the link I provided is allowed then we can carry on the discussion using the points made before.

I prefer Turn10 keep making great games instead of doing other things that looks good in billboard but means nothing when you play the game.
The more time Polyphony has put in those things as come as cost of quality and focus of the game, these past 6 years the quality of GT franchise keep going down and its creator seems to be more worried about real racing that making a game.

So i really prefer Turn10 focus, if they get involved in something is more to make the game better than filling blogs.

So the game events and concept cars in the game are just there to fill blogs and not make GT5 better? I think without PD doing this the Special Events section would not have been as good. All adds to the gameplay to me, not just stuff that looks good on billboard.

 

[t.o.]

I prefer Turn10 keep making great games instead of doing other things that looks good in billboard but means nothing when you play the game.
The more time Polyphony has put in those things as come as cost of quality and focus of the game, these past 6 years the quality of GT franchise keep going down and its creator seems to be more worried about real racing that making a game.

So i really prefer Turn10 focus, if they get involved in something is more to make the game better than filling blogs.

You know what this reminds me of.. commentary in sports games. When they use real guys to do the commentary work it sounds so rehearsed and scripted. But take NFL 2K5 using voice actors for all the commentary. These guys sounded so real, like they've been calling games all their lives. But that's their job, to make you think they are the real deal. Just as it's PD and Turn10's job to make you feel like you've got a real Racing Simulation game in your hands with all the trimmings. PD may be doing to much real life stuff getting in the way where Turn10 is just concentrating on getting the job done.

 

[The_Paladin]

I think all the new posts got deleted but going through them, I don't think any breaks the AUP or the first post guidelines. I still have a tab open just before the posts got deleted. Here is a link to them: REMOVED Is it possible for you to let me know which go outside the AUP? It will be hard to discuss the topic further now a big chunk of it is missing on this forum but if the link I provided is allowed then we can carry on the discussion using the points made before.



So the game events and concept cars in the game are just there to fill blogs and not make GT5 better? I think without PD doing this the Special Events section would not have been as good. All adds to the gameplay to me, not just stuff that looks good on billboard.

I never said ONLY but you can deny the fact that Gran Turismo has lower its quality and focus as Kaz has been getting more involved in other things that making the game, that include GT Academy, real racing, etc.

 

[Scaff]

I think all the new posts got deleted but going through them, I don't think any breaks the AUP or the first post guidelines. I still have a tab open just before the posts got deleted. Here is a link to them: Is it possible for you to let me know which go outside the AUP? It will be hard to discuss the topic further now a big chunk of it is missing on this forum but if the link I provided is allowed then we can carry on the discussion using the points made before.

This is not open for debate or discussion, and I am not about to drag this thread off-topic again.

Please either move on and please be aware that posting a link to posts the staff have deleted with the intention of getting them re-quoted is not a good idea at all. Particularity as removing that link is once again dragging this back up and causing more work.


Scaff

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I never said ONLY but you can deny the fact that Gran Turismo has lower its quality and focus as Kaz has been getting more involved in other things that making the game, that include GT Academy, real racing, etc.

You were more or less pushing that point across. This is the last thing you said "So i really prefer Turn10 focus, if they get involved in something is more to make the game better than filling blogs."

I think that sounds like saying that what PD are doing are just there to fill blogs than to make the game better.

Also what is it with people's problem with Kaz? His real racing experience can help the game. His job is to be more or less be the vision of the game to be made. He is a hard working guy who works long hours, yet people keep saying for him to go back working on the game when he goes to race for real. I would prefer him to be racing for real than just staying inside PD studios all the time. GT Academy is just a time trial event that then is handled by Nissan and Sony at the finals. I doubt it takes much game development time, maybe a week in total or probably a few hours?

I don't see how the quality has gone down. The detail of the game is gone up over the years. The games infrastructure is growing at a high level. New systems such as weather and day to night cycles added. Track generator added and also data logger, now they just need to add manufacturer events and improve the AI as well as streamline the range of cars for the next game and we will have a much more fun game.

This is not open for debate or discussion, and I am not about to drag this thread off-topic again.

Please either move on and please be aware that posting a link to posts the staff have deleted with the intention of getting them re-quoted is not a good idea at all. Particularity as removing that link is once again dragging this back up and causing more work.


Scaff

Sorry, I'm just a bit confused what was wrong with them as it looked just like all the new posts just got deleted and it was just discussion on GT Academy and how it was a positive for GT. You did say there were some valid points there before. I'll move on from this.

 

[Terronium-12]

Most, or all of which are half assed.

Track generator. Half-assed.
Time cycles. Half-assed. (Are they serious with the literal pitch black? What good are headlamps if I can't see anything?)
Weather. Implementation is great, execution is half-assed. (Why am I lapping faster with soft tires; it only makes any real difference in arcade mode. )
Head-tracking. Half-assed.
Online multiplayer. Archaic.

The list just goes on like that...