Force India VJM08 launch

It shares the orange and black colors, that's it. It doesn't look like a McLaren at all. McLaren uses a chrome like finish where this Force India is clearly silver.

I love the new livery. The color scheme brings more aggression, and there is just enough orange in there. The orange flows nicely as well. Hopefully their car can be as competitive as the livery implies.
 
I'm going to wait until we see the 2015 nose before I pass judgement on the livery. This looks great:

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But if the team uses a Mercedes- or Williams-style snub nose, it could look very different.
 
Pardon the double-post, but a thought just occurred to me:

Looks like an inverted McLaren ...
How do McLaren feel about this? Silver and black with orange highlights is a very specific combination of colours, and while the VJM08 and MP4-29 are different enough that they would hardly be mistaken for one another, the new livery on the VJM08 marks the biggest departure from Force India's orange-white-green theme since their burgundy and white test livery. Moreover, there is no apparent reason for the move to incorporate silver in the design - sure, it's stylish, but it's not associated with any of the team's existing sponsors, all of whom appear on the car in white or black rather than their own colours.

Ultimately, changes in the livery are Force India's perogative. If they go for black and silver with orange highlights and McLaren don't like it, that's McLaren's problem and there is very little that they can do about it. But given that we have never really had two teams competing with such similar liveries (except Red Bull and Toro Rosso, but they're owned by the same company, so we can overlook that), I can't help but wonder if Force India approached McLaren about their livery plans before committing to the new design.
 
The orange was only added to McLaren's livery late in the season, and it was only the SAP logo. Since this has orange that is visible from the front, I don't think it will be much of a problem in terms of identifying the cars quickly.
 
Tom
However, Sauber will have substantial backing from the likes of Banco do Brasil thanks to Felipe Nasr and the other sponsorship that Marcus Ericsson brings in. Rumours are that it's around €20 million apiece, which would certainly aid their finances somewhat.
Unless they've had to buy Giedo van der Garde out of the contract that he claimed to have.

Mind you, given the relative level of van der Garde's talent, that will probably only cost them about five dollars.

The orange was only added to McLaren's livery late in the season, and it was only the SAP logo. Since this has orange that is visible from the front, I don't think it will be much of a problem in terms of identifying the cars quickly.
That's not even close to the point I was trying to make.

McLaren is the team that invented the notion of a long-term corporate identity. Even if they only used a little orange last year, the silver and black was dominant last year. Now Force India have a silver and black livery. It's unlikely to sit well with them, unless they plan to change.
 
Unless they've had to buy Giedo van der Garde out of the contract that he claimed to have.

Mind you, given the relative level of van der Garde's talent, that will probably only cost them about five dollars.

That of course and the alleged on-going debacle with Sutil's contract. Mind you, as with van der Garde...
 
Tom
That of course and the alleged on-going debacle with Sutil's contract. Mind you, as with van der Garde...
There are some rather alarming rumours coming out of Switzerland and Germany which suggest that practically all of the money from Ericsson and Nasr is being used to pay off existing debts, that development of the C34 chassis stalled when the team ran out of resources, and that some within the team are resigned to another pointless season with the worst chassis they have ever built.

But I can't pin the source down, and it seems too alarmist to be believable.
 
There are some rather alarming rumours coming out of Switzerland and Germany which suggest that practically all of the money from Ericsson and Nasr is being used to pay off existing debts, that development of the C34 chassis stalled when the team ran out of resources, and that some within the team are resigned to another pointless season with the worst chassis they have ever built.

But I can't pin the source down, and it seems too alarmist to be believable.

Given that we don't know the full extent of Sauber's financial situation in 2014 - though I heard from sources within the paddock that was pretty dire - I wouldn't hazard a guess at speculating.

Then again, it's no secret that the team struggled as a business last year and due to their downturn in 2013 (where they could've potentially overspent following a successful 2012 in order to try and keep ahead of the pack and hope that they would get a return via sponsors coming on-board) I would imagine that things've been drastically decreasing at a rather rapid rate.

I also heard potential rumours about Lotus floating around at the start of last season that the reason they didn't attend the first test was due to having a fuel tank that didn't fit the car, and that they were struggling to raise the funds to even make the Bahrain test and if they didn't that it would be very unlikely that the team would be present for Australia.

Mind you, that all died down, too.
 
Force India explain why the VJM08 won't be at the first test - they reckon that they can get more meaningful data from keeping it in the wind tunnel for another two weeks:

http://m.skysports.com/article/formula1//9656246

Meanwhile, it seems that the show car unveiled in Mexico City will tour the country in the build-up to the second test, apparently to hype up the Mexican Grand Prix.
 
I have to say, I personally think this is one of their best liveries. And finally we will see cars without those ugly noses!! It definitely reminds me of the VJM01 from 2008, looks like they're going retro! I hope they do well this year, I was a bit disappointed with their drop off in pace mid season last year after such an amazing start!
:sly:
 
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/force-india-facing-uncertain-future-report
The latest team in financial peril is Force India, according to an insider.
The Silverstone based team announced on Wednesday that it is sitting out the first test of the 2015 pre-season at Jerez.

The reasons for the decision have not been well explained, but technical boss Andrew Green has said it was a "conscious decision" to trade the test for more "development time" - which is a reasonable claim given that its new car isn't ready.

The uncertain future
But insider Ralf Bach, who writes for Sport Bild and TZ Munchen, writes on his blog f1-insider.com that the very future of the team is "far from certain".

The off-track troubles of Vijay Mallya are well documented in the Indian press, and Force India's co-owner Subrata Roy is even in jail.

Bach reports that at the F1 strategy group meeting in London on Tuesday, it emerged that Force India is "facing financial collapse" and is currently insolvent.

The situation means the 2015 car is delayed "because important parts suppliers have not been paid".

Bach added: "If no money flows in the next four weeks, it is said even the opening two races in Australia and Malaysia are endangered."

Renault is interested
"The team is for sale," he claimed, "and Renault is interested as it wants to cut the cord to Red Bull and once again have a bigger presence in Formula One."

Meanwhile, Bach also claimed that Pastor Maldonado's place at Lotus is in doubt, as his and the Enstone team's major Venezuelan backer, the state-owned PDVSA, is in crisis over the dramatic fall in oil prices.
 
If you're willing to believe a tabloid, then yes. But if so, you should also prepare for disappointment.
To be honest it doesn't sound believable at all...I can't believe that gaining all that new backing wasn't enough, and they didn't seem to be in trouble in the first place. Then again this is F1...
 
Force India told the world why they weren't going to do the first test, they feel they can get a better leg up from wind tunnel testing and CFD than they will at Jerez. Also they wont be at Jerez in any capacity -even with the 14 car- because they feel even that will not gleam anything useful. This is interesting cause some people here thought all teams would be at tests this year due to the cut back on number of tests, seems to be the opposite.
 
It's the exact same reason Red Bull is holding off as well.

[sarcasm]That must mean Red Bull is in financial trouble as well![/sarcasm]

They are, have you not heard of the *DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!!!*

Surplus of the Red Bull, especially the Blue Edition
 
I doubt Renault is coming back as a constructor, they honestly seem more interested in their Formula E program than F1.
 
I doubt Renault is coming back as a constructor, they honestly seem more interested in their Formula E program than F1.

More than likely because not shedding out nearly half as much on a sport that is difficult to yield a return from.
 
Turun Sanomat is reporting that Force India had planned to put Sergey Sirotkin in the car for the Jerez test, but the money he was supposed to pay never arrived - he's had a few problems with his backers being targeted by sanctions over Russia's role in Ukraine and MH17 - and so they cancelled the test.
 
Turun Sanomat is reporting that Force India had planned to put Sergey Sirotkin in the car for the Jerez test, but the money he was supposed to pay never arrived - he's had a few problems with his backers being targeted by sanctions over Russia's role in Ukraine and MH17 - and so they cancelled the test.


Here's a link which is in accord with that idea: http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sirotkin-money-key-to-force-india-absence-report/
And here's a link which takes a somewhat different view: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns29853.html


Indeed, the highly-respected German publication Auto Motor und Sport on Thursday repeated rumours of Force India falling so behind in bills to key suppliers - such as one that provides the all-important carbon fibre - that it is the reason for the delayed debut of the VJM08.

But chief operating officer Otmar Szafnauer insists the delay is more about the move from the team's own wind tunnel to the state-of-the-art Toyota facility in Cologne.

"We want to see some of the results flowing into the car for the Barcelona test," he said.

Szafnauer said he is "90 per cent" certain Force India's 2015 car will be fully up and running for that second test, beginning on 19 February.

He said sitting out Jerez altogether is "saving us 500,000 pounds."


http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/third-cars-f1-not-required-lawyers-say
F1’s contracts with the teams state they may have to run a third car if the grid drops below 20. It didn’t come into effect in Austin or Brazil because the contracts also say teams are allowed to miss up to three races.

However, the discussion about running third cars raged throughout both race weekends, with F1’s smallest teams claiming they had seen an e-mail outlining a plan to have Red Bull and Ferrari supply a third car next season.

Whether this actually happens now looks far less important. Instead, the fact that a discussion took place about it may prove to be significant as it could show that Ecclestone attempted to procure 16 cars and used his reasonable endeavors to do so. If less than 16 cars race next year, then it is this fact which could keep F1 under his control: Should he breach his contract with the FIA, the governing body could use it as justification for reclaiming the commercial rights. Ecclestone paid the FIA $313.6m for a 100-year license to those rights beginning in 2011, which means the governing body will have to wait a long time to reclaim them unless Ecclestone’s F1 Group breaches its contract.
 
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According to a new report, Force India may be forced to skip the opening round of the 2015 Formula One championship.

The news, which was reported by Ralf Bach of Sport Bild and TZ Munchen, claims that Force India’s financial troubles are worse than originally reported. Bach reports that Force India is not present at the Jerez test because they do not have a monocoque for their car yet.

While the majority of rival teams have launched their cars either on track or online, Force India’s VJM08 won’t be seeing the light of day for quite some time, according to sources. The 2015 monocoque has not been delivered to Force India “because bills have not been paid,” according to the monocoque’s supplier, EOM.

According to Bach, Force India’s debts are nearing 50 million euros, with debts being owed to both Mercedes (for engines) and Pirelli (for tyres) in addition to smaller suppliers.


Bach went on to quote a source within the team who claims that “making the season opener in Melbourne is now virtually impossible.”

The 2015 Formula One season will begin on March 15 at the Australian Grand Prix.
 
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