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Can we go to Imola and not mention Senna for once please. Why are you celebrating someone at the place they died? We didn't have that much at Hockenheim for Clark or Suzuka for Bianchi. Celebrate Senna at Interlagos, and let's stop moping about him at the place he died and celebrate him instead where he had success and the most love. Also it's been 28 years, it's time to move on as a significant number of fans now were born after his death, so it means a lot less now.
I caught a comment that I thought had a merit to it.

For all the tribute F1 does at Imola for Senna (the art car or the 2020 trophy of the circuit with a mark where he passed), it was bothering how much Ratzenberger is overlooked besides also passing that very weekend.
wow this is incredible

is it a real working car or just an imitation?
Gonna assume 99% it's just a chassis without a powertrain.
 
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I caught a comment that I thought had a merit to it.

For all the tribute F1 does at Imola for Senna (the art car or the 2020 trophy of the circuit with a mark where he passed), it was bothering how much Ratzenberger is overlooked besides also passing that very weekend.
Which is especially messed up since Senna was considering withdrawing from the race due to Ratzenbergers crash.
 
Which is especially messed up since Senna was considering withdrawing from the race due to Ratzenbergers crash.
Yeah, it opened up a discussion there about how the race should've been cancelled, how races rarely are cancelled to begin with, someone citing that apparently Italian law at the time would've dictated the event be cancelled but money talked, and so forth.
 
Volkswagen head honcho Herbert Diess has confirmed that Audi und Porsche will enter formula one.
 
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Volkswagen head honcho Herbert Diess has confirmed that Audi und Porsche will enter formula one.
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Diess said Porsche "relatively tangeable" and Audi still "not so sure". Neither confirmed which also shouldn't be possible before finalizing the engine and chassis regulations from 2026 on. VAG still holds the point of a minimum of 50% power from electric motor.

Porsche is willing buy 50% of RedBull F1. Audi should do the program by itself since negotiation with McLaren failed.
 
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Diess said Porsche "relatively tangeable" and Audi still "not so sure". Neither confirmed which also shouldn't be possible before finalizing the engine and chassis regulations from 2026 on. VAG still holds the point of a minimum of 50% power from electric motor.

Porsche is willing buy 50% of RedBull F1. Audi should do the program by itself since negotiation with McLaren failed.
Here's a Dutch site with news released today.

It states that they've agreed that join, how they will do it is still unsure.
 
Porsche is willing buy 50% of RedBull F1.
Unless that means they're going to buy Alpha Tauri I don't see them getting that big of a share. Or any share at all, I thought the idea was that one brand was going to be Red Bull's new supplier and the other brand was going to take over an entire team?
 
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Porsche tie up with Red Bull most likely whilst Audi will be a separate entry. Likely in the form of purchasing an existing team.

All confirmed internally with the only things to be set being officially announcing the plans which will likely come in the form of an official announcement for at least Porsche at the Austrian GP (which would make sense in a Red Bull partnership capacity). Audi meanwhile are less concrete but the likelihood of buying a team is strong with Sauber, Williams, McLaren and Aston Martin being potential targets.


I think the Porsche one sounds like a done deal with Diess all but confirming Porsches entry as concrete, with rumours rife around Red Bull, that's a done deal in my opinion.

Audi is more interesting, it's difficult to imagine the newly owned Williams being bought by Audi, as their intention clearly is to have their own team and own engine (possibly based on the F1 spec V6 combustion plant Porsche developed some years back for the current hybrid rules).

I could see Sauber possibly, clearly talks went far enough with Andretti for it to be real news, but Audi is a far more lucrative sale in terms of profile and financial gain. Sauber though, have said repeatedly that they aren't interested in selling and are happy with how things are, they're in a good place and the budget cap has bought them back into the thick of the midfield.

However, Lawrence Stroll may also see it as the perfect opportunity to cash in his Aston Martin investment and Audi will be tempted by the fancy new factory, wind tunnel and simulators all being in place. Especially given their awful start to 2022. Plus, the F1 team operation is totally separate to all other Aston Martin Racing operations and the road car division, so there's no caveats to the purchase. Unlikely potentially with McLaren.

McLaren, is a very interesting prospect, everything's there, but they're such a staple of F1 and Zak Brown is as passionate as anyone about the sport and his team. But the rumours consistently seem to end up back at McLaren, plus with the false start story late last year about Audi buying McLaren, perhaps there's more to that story than meets the eye. I wouldn't rule it out, but perhaps rather than buying the entire McLaren group (which would be an odd move for VAG as a whole), Audi may just buy McLaren Racing off of McLaren Automotive. The problem there being they're based inside MTX alongside development and production of McLaren Cars so how feasible that is I don't know. But there's no smoke without fire.
 
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There isn't any need for Audi buying another team. They have their own facilities and with the hold on the LMDh project they have the capacity to switch to F1 or as intended handling their LMDh solely to customers without a own racing program. Would only make sense if they can grab someone cheap. But like the case with McLaren not at all cost.
 
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There isn't any need for Audi buying another team. They have their own facilities and with the hold on the LMDh project they have the capacity to switch to F1 or as intended handling their LMDh solely to customers without a own racing program. Would only make sense if they can grab someone cheap. But like the case with McLaren not at all cost.
I don't see that they'd do this, if they can buy a team with ready made, and relevant, facilities for an already reasonably competitive team, then they can circumvent the entry costs and other barriers that may bring.

Also The FIA won't automatically grant them an entry, and have said after the Andretti stuff that they aren't actively looking for new entries, then the teams need to agree AND then Audi need to pay them for the revenue losses that would occur, somewhere in the region of $200m.

Granted they don't automatically have a right to buy an existing team if no one wants to sell, but it's far more likely than them coming in as an 11th team.
 
Those 200m aren't a fixed thing. It's only to prevent underfinanced teams like Caterham, Marussia, Virgin, HRT in the future. Nobody would say no to Audi or Porsche if they won't pay the 200m. I can't see them buying any team. But we will see.
 
Granted, the main thing to consider from all of this is that it's not going to happen for another 4 years yet. That's a lifetime and a half in motorsports, especially for a series like Formula 1, so trying to say any possible outcome is a sure deal now is just silly.
 
Those 200m aren't a fixed thing. It's only to prevent underfinanced teams like Caterham, Marussia, Virgin, HRT in the future. Nobody would say no to Audi or Porsche if they won't pay the 200m. I can't see them buying any team. But we will see.
Correct, it isn't fixed, the number can be adjusted, but it's there to protect the revenue streams for the existing teams, they likelihood of them forgoing it in any capacity is unlikely.

However, I still think it's irrelevant as I don't see them being an entirely new entry anyway.
 
Audi has been threatening to enter Formula One since 1994. It's only thirty-two years in the making.

Audi not entering Formula One... FOREVER! FOREVER! FOREVER!

 
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chef's kiss Beautiful.


Really got the beauty of the warehouse district the Dolphins play in down pat.
 
Going back briefly to the Audi/Porsche news, am I reading these stories right in that no new teams/cars will actually be joining the grid? That Porsche is looking to partner with Red Bull & one source stating Audi is looking to basically run through McLaren?
 
Going back briefly to the Audi/Porsche news, am I reading these stories right in that no new teams/cars will actually be joining the grid? That Porsche is looking to partner with Red Bull & one source stating Audi is looking to basically run through McLaren?
The Porsche case is 100% true. They're trying to buy 50% of RedBull Racing. Audi doesn't seem to really want to partner with someone. They are more likely to buy a whole team or (which I believe is more realistic) start a own team. But yes it can happen that we won't get a 11th team on the grid. I'm not really happy with it. We know how VAG behaves in Motorsport. They don't stay around very long in a series in most cases often leave very quickly.
 
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The Volkswagen CEO seems to have more to share.
Aside from Domenicali’s admission that F1 is in talks for a return to Germany, there are further indications that Hockenheim’s return is only a matter of time. Volkswagen’s CEO, Herbert Diess, is among those to have hinted at the possibility of Germany being re-instated into the calendar.

Whilst discussing Audi and Porsche’s objectives in Formula 1 (after confirming their intention to enter F1 in 2026) Diess spoke about the importance of a German Grand Prix for these two brands. Diess explained that he is aware of “plans that we will have a Grand Prix in Germany again”, potentially making Audi and Porsche’s entry into F1 more lucrative.

Despite Hockenheim’s recent difficulties in solidifying a place in F1, its return to the pinnacle of motorsport seems inevitable.
 


I for one have always wanted to know Vettel's views on Partygate, or tonight's local elections...
 


I for one have always wanted to know Vettel's views on Partygate, or tonight's local elections...

Well that was interesting viewing.

It honestly feels really bizarre to see a driver talking about political issues in such an undiluted manner, and so far gone from Formula 1. He's obviously done his research on the energy crisis, and naturally approached each issue from the German perspective. He didn't really have much to say regarding the Northern Ireland Protocol or Partygate/Beergate, which is understandable as he can't reasonably be expected to know the finer details of British domestic political issues, but he gave at the end of the day pretty basic, and sometimes vague statements with a lot of the topics, but to honest a darn sight more than anything any of the British drivers would've said.

Imagine Lando on the panel...

"Lando, your thoughts on Ukraine?"

"Where is it?"
 
Well that was interesting viewing.

It honestly feels really bizarre to see a driver talking about political issues in such an undiluted manner, and so far gone from Formula 1. He's obviously done his research on the energy crisis, and naturally approached each issue from the German perspective. He didn't really have much to say regarding the Northern Ireland Protocol or Partygate/Beergate, which is understandable as he can't reasonably be expected to know the finer details of British domestic political issues, but he gave at the end of the day pretty basic, and sometimes vague statements with a lot of the topics, but to honest a darn sight more than anything any of the British drivers would've said.

Imagine Lando on the panel...

"Lando, your thoughts on Ukraine?"

"Where is it?"
Come on. I'm sure Lando knows where Ukraine is. It isn't like you have one of us Yankees up there.
 
And of course he gets off scot free. Granted he swims in wealth so I guess that was inevitable, just convient how easy it was given all the things he has going for him.
 
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