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No consistency in policing track limits from one circuit to the other?? You don’t say, Sergio
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137110/perez-demands-f1-kerb-consistency
The article is funny though, drivers blaming the kerbs for damaging the cars....”there’s lap time there, so if I don’t smash the car over the kerbs, I’m slow”.....but not as slow as if you’re in the garage with a broken wing. Like Brundle always says, that accelerator pedal has two directions of travel.
I certainly agree that track limits should be 100% consistent, driver to driver, lap to lap, circuit to circuit. But I definitely don’t think “car braking curbs” need to be removed....drivers need to show their skills, after all, that’s why we tune in.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137110/perez-demands-f1-kerb-consistency
The article is funny though, drivers blaming the kerbs for damaging the cars....”there’s lap time there, so if I don’t smash the car over the kerbs, I’m slow”.....but not as slow as if you’re in the garage with a broken wing. Like Brundle always says, that accelerator pedal has two directions of travel.
I certainly agree that track limits should be 100% consistent, driver to driver, lap to lap, circuit to circuit. But I definitely don’t think “car braking curbs” need to be removed....drivers need to show their skills, after all, that’s why we tune in.
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I disagree, I think it should be the opposite actually.
The deterrent to leaving the track should be that you’re not on the track anymore, and therefore either going slow or damaging your vehicle. I don’t at all see how a sleeping policeman is any different than a wall, or Armco. The objective is to stay on the circuit, not hit or run over the stuff beside the circuit.
What happens in Monaco if force majeure forces a driver to take evasive action? Are we going to see an article on Autosport where the drivers are complaining about the Armco at Monaco? Last I checked, the drivers absolutely love slicing through the Armco in the principality.
So the drivers love Armco, but they don’t like paved runnoff with sleeping policemen, because those sleeping policemen prevent them from using the runoff as part of the circuit.
How far is the sport going to let the drivers take this game?
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I think you're deliberately missing the point. In Monaco there would be a big accident. The same is true at other circuits. The point you brought up was runoff areas. The other side of armco is not such a thing.
To repeat: the barrier to needlessly leaving the circuit should be the stewards, it's as simple as that. Having car-breaking obstacles manufactured in empty run-off areas shouldn't be a thing.
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Again with the assumptions of hostility or mal intent. What is it with you guys
I’m not deliberately missing any points. The point I have brought up is track limits, and how they are abused on circuits with paved runoff. The additional point I’m making, which you are either deliberately or otherwise missing, is that the drivers do 100% fine on circuits with no runoff. They only have issues with keeping the car on the circuit when there is not an obstacle to hit.
I’m confused as right now. In the French GP thread, I made a “fuss” about track limits, saying that the officials need to step their game up. Jim replied, “you’re wrong, who cares,” a post which you liked. Fast forward to today, and now you’re telling me that officials need to be the ones policing track limits. Ya, I agree. But they don’t. Hence the walls and sleeping policemen.
If/when the officials attempt to make a ruling on track limits, the drivers respond with their sob stories of how “they were passengers,” or “had no other option.” Furthermore, the popular drivers have an army of social media followers who jump all over the officials of a ruling is made against their favourite driver. The officials cave to this pressure, which is why we often see track limits and driving standards penalties levied against the back markets, rarely against the top guys (for objectively similar/same infringements). You think Max doesn’t know in the back of his head that he gets extra leeway with the officials?? If they crack down on him, people whip out the old, “I payed X amount of dollars to watch max race, and the officials have ruined the show with their decision,” pressure that the officials tend to give into.
So, I’ll go back to my French GP solution. GPS transponders in every car, which can calculate when a car is 4 wheels off. If/when a car goes 4 wheels off, it’s an instant drive through penalty pending review from officials, with the one and only excuse for going 4 wheels off being physical contact with another vehicle. But what am I saying, I’m wrong and no one cares
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Total rubbish. You go off the track it should end your race. Good luck getting gutless stewards to do anything useful.
This is gobamacking... “gutless stewards” wow some of us have really turned a corner
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For many of us there is an eternal tension between keeping the sport commercially viable and keeping the sport as pur sang as possible. Our road goes both ways, with many a swerve in-between.
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Vettel is currently in with the stewards having allegedly impeded another car during Q2.
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I can't stand football, so I guess the answer would be no?
Except, it isn't. Think about who is important decision and opinion wise to F1. The FIA are happy with the way they are defining and policing track limits as nothing has really changed in the last 10 or so years. And FOM hasn't raised the issue. Ross Braun hasn't made a point of track limits, for example.
In fact, the biggest issue with F1 at the moment isn't anything to do with the tracks at all, it's the cars and the new 2021 regs.
So I don't agree with the notion that's it's a problem or an issue that needs solving.
Quali results;
I think, even with Leclerc's penalty.... he still out qualifies Ericsson...
Because it's not obvious to the casual viewer and the stewards have the stance as, as long as no one is gaining an advantage from doing so its ok. They also are more lenient* on some corners than others, depending on the track.
The FIA decides what corners are ok to extend at the start of the weekend, they could easily decide not to.
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It's lenient.
Just because the FIA don't see it as a problem doesn't mean it isn't. The sport is littered with past issues that the FIA thought nothing of. It's a sport which is measured in thousandths of a second I reckon it's imperative that the track they all race on is the same one for each of them. I think properly enforced track limits are essential to a fair sport. That's not currently the case.
