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That was not a racing incident. That was stupid and dangerous. I'm sickened and very concerned about the rest of the championship now if this is the precedent being set. Hamilton getting away with this sort of stuff is a travesty. "Oh but Max should've backed out" I hear some of you say. Really? He was fully committed to the corner and on the racing line whereas Hamilton was not. For the sake of this argument, Hamilton was the following car and when you're in that position it's your responsibility to avoid contact. If it was a slower corner this wouldn't have happened but due to the high-speed nature of Copse, pulling a move like that is very high risk. Contact was inevitable once Hamilton had committed. Therein lies the problem.
Exactly my thoughts.
Precedent set by FIA will allow other drivers to the same. 10sec penalty to drop the title contenders is really well worth it and I see it happening at least one more time. Hopefully no one gets hurts...
 
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Racing incident between the two biggest egos in F1. It was a shame to see Max go out in such a dramatic fashion but Lewis couldn't keep his elbows in any longer after being cut up by Max so often. He's got the talent to go wheel to wheel with Lewis but he seems to prefer pinching or pushing wide instead. Kinda annoying.

In my eyes, it had to happen eventually and in this case, Max deserves a few sleepless nights wondering what might have been if he'd been a little more circumspect. Risking it all 3 minutes into a 2 hour race? Dude...
 
Exactly my thoughts.
Precedent set by FIA will allow other drivers to the same. 10sec penalty to drop the title contenders is really well worth it and I see it happening at least one more time. Hopefully no one gets hurts...
Ya'll need to have way more respect for the drivers if you honestly think anyone is going to suddenly go out there with the idea of intentionally crashing others b/c they think all they'll get is a 10-sec penalty.
 
To me, this was a horrifying accident cause by both drivers not wanting to back down in the heat of the moment. Glad no one was seriously injured from this.
 
That was not a racing incident. That was stupid and dangerous. I'm sickened and very concerned about the rest of the championship now if this is the precedent being set. Hamilton getting away with this sort of stuff is a travesty. "Oh but Max should've backed out" I hear some of you say. Really? He was fully committed to the corner and on the racing line whereas Hamilton was not. For the sake of this argument, Hamilton was the following car and when you're in that position it's your responsibility to avoid contact. If it was a slower corner this wouldn't have happened but due to the high-speed nature of Copse, pulling a move like that is very high risk. Contact was inevitable once Hamilton had committed. Therein lies the problem.
Actually this was a racing incident. If you don't understand that concept, there's little that's going to help you. Max and Hamilton were both to blame, and Max got the worse end of it. You can leave the melodramatic drama in YouTube comments...
 
To quote Toto from ~mid July
He's what, 32 points behind Max? That is a DNF away and he's in the hunt again.

I was thinking about this today.
While it is highly unlikely but if this was a secret plan(no paper trail, just words behind closed doors) to ruin the race for max, it would not be the first time something like this has happened in F1.
But that is a big big stretch.
 
The talk of purposely crashing someone because you know you can get a free 25 points is ridiculous. There is no guarantee you’re going to escape without damage and may even retire on the spot…let alone battle back to overcome the penalty and win. Lewis’s comeback was helped greatly by both Norris and Sainz having trouble in the pits.
 
Actually this was a racing incident. If you don't understand that concept, there's little that's going to help you. Max and Hamilton were both to blame, and Max got the worse end of it. You can leave the melodramatic drama in YouTube comments...
You think I'm being dramatic? How? I'm just saying it as it is. Think about this - if people are allowed to get away with these sorts of accidents under the guise of a "racing incident", it sets a dangerous precedent indeed. Hamilton's penalty, although inconsequential, sent the right message.
 
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You think I'm being dramatic? How? I'm just saying it as it is. Think about this - if people are allowed to get away with these sorts of accidents under the guise of a "racing incident", it sets a dangerous precedent indeed. Hamilton's penalty, although inconsequential, sent the right message.
How is a 10 second penalty "getting away with it"?
 
The talk of purposely crashing someone because you know you can get a free 25 points is ridiculous. There is no guarantee you’re going to escape without damage and may even retire on the spot…let alone battle back to overcome the penalty and win. Lewis’s comeback was helped greatly by both Norris and Sainz having trouble in the pits.
Right, the risk is for both drivers. In a different situation, it could've been Hamilton retiring and Max going on.
 
How is a 10 second penalty "getting away with it"?
You've taken what I said out of context. I didn't say that he got away with it, I was putting forward a hypothetical situation IF the penalty wasn't given out.
 
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The only difference I see is Hamilton not using the inside space on the corner with Verstappen, It was clearly his fault it looked on the live feed like he just approached the corner too fast and missed the apex.
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You've taken what I said out of context. I didn't say that he got away with it, I was putting forward a hypothetical situation IF the penalty wasn't given out.
That was not a racing incident. That was stupid and dangerous. I'm sickened and very concerned about the rest of the championship now if this is the precedent being set. Hamilton getting away with this sort of stuff is a travesty.
I'll stop now. Nobody is being convinced of anything at this point.
 
I'll stop now. Nobody is being convinced of anything at this point.
Don't know why you brought my other post into it. All that does is make me look like an idiot and completely invalidate my claim. So let me make it clear to you - Hamilton got away with the contact despite a 10 second penalty. You went back into the thread to dig up some dirt rather than focus on the one post, which mentioned nothing about "getting away with it". I was merely talking about the precedent that could be set if the penalty wasn't handed out. Nice job getting the right words out of me to make you look like the more intelligent person.

The FIA has sent the right message but they must come down harder IMO.
 
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Ya'll need to have way more respect for the drivers if you honestly think anyone is going to suddenly go out there with the idea of intentionally crashing others b/c they think all they'll get is a 10-sec penalty.
Right, never seen before.
It won't be intentionally, it will be racing incident, of course 😉
 
Contrary to the prevailing British opinion here, Lerclerc and Verstappen both where on the same line, It's Hamilton that differs.
I'm from Canada:confused:

The fact remains that Lewis passed two other drivers at the same corner without incident. It was a racing incident, both of them could have done something different. But in the end, Max threw away a large championship lead over 1 corner.
 
Right, never seen before.
It won't be intentionally, it will be racing incident, of course 😉
Yeah, you can keep this weird sort of attitude that borderlines on wishing for a wreck ("it'll be an incident, wink wink") back on Reddit, thanks.
 
I'm from Canada:confused:

The fact remains that Lewis passed two other drivers at the same corner without incident. It was a racing incident, both of them could have done something different. But in the end, Max threw away a large championship lead over 1 corner.
It was a general statement given the amount of Brits on here.

When you collide with someone and they gave you space but you didn't use it, your at fault especially if your behind and never got ahead in the approach.

As shown above Lerclerc and Verstappen had the same line so to say Lerclerc did the right thing and verstappen didn't is just ignoring the facts on what Hamilton did to instigate contact.
 
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I'm calling it a racing incident. I feel both drivers were equally to blame there.
And while initially i was unhappy to see Lewis receive a penalty for it, i could also see and understand the FIA really have no choice in instances such as this, (when the incident causes an instant DNF for one of the two drivers involved), to issue one.
I'd also like to think the exact same time penalty would've been issued to Max, if the roles were reversed.

I can appreciate why fans of Max (and Red Bull) feel pissed off and upset, due to the outcome, and i guess i would feel like that too if indeed the incident were reversed. But even then, it would be hard for me not to call it a racing incident, despite no doubt feeling unhappy about my favourite driver (and team) DNF'ing.


That asides, what a cracking race!
I honestly thought that Hamilton was not going to be able to catch the Ferrari of Leclerc, but boy-oh-boy, what a treat to see Lewis bring it home in front of his home crowd.
 
It was a general statement given the amount of Brits on here.

When you collide with someone and they gave you space but you didn't use it, your at fault especially if your behind and never got ahead in the approach.

As shown above Lerclerc and Verstappen had the same line so to say Lerclerc did the right thing and verstappen didn't is just ignoring the facts on what Hamilton did to instigate contact.
Was LeClerc being "quite aggressive" on the outside? Because that's how Charles apparently viewed it & deemed that both guys played a role in what happened.
 
Just because - on past form - Max wouldn't back down and be shoved wide! (Leclerc's tyres were unhappy and Lewis had a couple of seconds per lap on him, so that was a very different situation). There's no reason for Lewis to stoop to his level (if that's what you see it as), which is what I meant by 'bigger man'. There are always ways that both drivers could do things differently to avoid a collision, so had the stewards called it a racing incident I would have accepted that also, but not that Max deserves blame for sticking to his chosen line - he was ahead (for all but a fraction of a second). Lewis knew from the Sprint that a pass was very unlikely to stick there, so why not focus on the exit instead, leave Max defending on the slower inside line? My angle isn't so much "Lewis should hang" as just "Lewis wasn't thinking cleverly, at all".

tl;dr - I don't agree that Max should've submissively driven off track like Leclerc.
No need to drive off the track, just adapt the speed and maintain a wider line to make sure there is enough room for both cars. I agree that it wasn’t a smart move by Hamilton, but Verstappen wasn’t being very clever either. Being on the outside he should have realised that the slightest contact would likely send him off the track, so taking such an aggressive line was not in his best interest.
 
Was LeClerc being "quite aggressive" on the outside? Because that's how Charles apparently viewed it & deemed that both guys played a role in what happened.
Sure any position that isn't ceding would be, but a move that you would expect the leading driver to cede is unrealistic when it was Hamilton who was actually making the move, Verstappen was on much newer tyres so I would assume unlike charles he would of been able to hold it on track but that is likely the widest entry he could of done and still make the corner, Hamilton could of done alot more then Verstappen there to aviod contact and still attack.
 
Whatever your view, this is unacceptable.
It's really disgusting how common this is occurring, or maybe it's always been but only recently noticeable but doesn't change the fact.

"I don't like what the guy did so let's attack him for his skin colour"

What horrible people thinking this is ok behaviour.
 
The only difference I see is Hamilton not using the inside space on the corner with Verstappen, It was clearly his fault it looked on the live feed like he just approached the corner too fast and missed the apex.
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Hamilton had been pushed so far towards the pit wall be Verstappen he was approaching the corner on a very dusty section of track. You can see from the images above that he was understeering and the in-car footage showed that he backed off moments before colliding with Max. He was pretty much a passenger when they collided. I do think it was a racing incident, but i also think the given penalty was the right thing to do by the stewards/FIA. Had the incident occurred a bit further into the race, when there wasn't the whole field of cars directly behind, Hamilton could have had more blame on his shoulders. He could have backed out as soon as Max pushed him towards the pit wall and he probably wouldn't have been at risk to following cars. But as it stood, you don't want to be a sitting duck on the appex of what is a fairly blind flatout-in-an-F1 corner when the rest of the field is due to come through within the next 3-5 seconds at 160+mph.

As for it being intentional as some people have suggested. When you are already behind in the championship why would you do that on purpose? It's always 50/50 to who comes off worse in a side-on clash like this. Most of the time both parties end up retiring either straight away or soon after due to damage.
 
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